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MTA To Remind Officers There Is No Ban On Train Photography

Posted by Bob Andersen on Wed Mar 15 22:16:06 2006

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Check out this story from NY1

I was interviewed this afternoon.

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Re: MTA To Remind Officers There Is No Ban On Train Photography

Posted by Fred G on Wed Mar 15 22:18:13 2006, in response to MTA To Remind Officers There Is No Ban On Train Photography, posted by Bob Andersen on Wed Mar 15 22:16:06 2006.

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So some officers are still essentially enforcing a rule that doesn't exist. Now, the agency says, that's going to change, so straphangers, click away.

Thanks, Bob.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: MTA To Remind Officers There Is No Ban On Train Photography

Posted by David of Broadway on Wed Mar 15 22:23:10 2006, in response to MTA To Remind Officers There Is No Ban On Train Photography, posted by Bob Andersen on Wed Mar 15 22:16:06 2006.

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Wonderful news! Thank you!

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Re: MTA To Remind Officers There Is No Ban On Train Photography

Posted by BMTLines on Wed Mar 15 22:51:28 2006, in response to MTA To Remind Officers There Is No Ban On Train Photography, posted by Bob Andersen on Wed Mar 15 22:16:06 2006.

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Its about time the MTA stepped up to the plate and acknowledged its responsibility in all this.

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Re: MTA To Remind Officers There Is No Ban On Train Photography

Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Wed Mar 15 22:57:12 2006, in response to MTA To Remind Officers There Is No Ban On Train Photography, posted by Bob Andersen on Wed Mar 15 22:16:06 2006.

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Good for you! :-)

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Re: MTA To Remind Officers There Is No Ban On Train Photography

Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Mar 15 23:04:29 2006, in response to MTA To Remind Officers There Is No Ban On Train Photography, posted by Bob Andersen on Wed Mar 15 22:16:06 2006.

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YTMND

Shall we organize a Grand Central and/or Penn Station and/or Jamaica photo blitz?

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Re: MTA To Remind Officers There Is No Ban On Train Photography (....and praise for NJT)

Posted by South Ferry on Wed Mar 15 23:25:44 2006, in response to MTA To Remind Officers There Is No Ban On Train Photography, posted by Bob Andersen on Wed Mar 15 22:16:06 2006.

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Whilst at Newark Penn Station this evening, I was tapped on the elbow
by a C/R of the NJT 7:bleeblah train and was told politely AND courteously "Sir, you can not take pictures..."

I responded with "Hello Sir, I have a NJT Photo Permit" and displayed it to the C/R
whom then took three seconds to glance at the photo pass and reply "OK, Thank you."

Then he went back to his platform position and I went back to filming..

(my FIRST shoot-stopping encounter)

I applaud this C/R for his COURTEOUS approach and wish some of youse would have had similar experiences..

Yeh, NJT may have rescinded the photography pressure and restriction altogether,
but I gotta give the C/R guy credit--- he handled his approaching me in a manner that would put TA BRASS to pasture...

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Re: MTA To Remind Officers There Is No Ban On Train Photography (....sum praise for NJT)

Posted by South Ferry on Wed Mar 15 23:26:31 2006, in response to MTA To Remind Officers There Is No Ban On Train Photography, posted by Bob Andersen on Wed Mar 15 22:16:06 2006.

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Whilst at Newark Penn Station this evening, I was tapped on the elbow
by a C/R of the NJT 7:bleeblah train and was told politely AND courteously "Sir, you can not take pictures..."

I responded with "Hello Sir, I have a NJT Photo Permit" and displayed it to the C/R
whom then took three seconds to glance at the photo pass and reply "OK, Thank you."

Then he went back to his platform position and I went back to filming..

(my FIRST shoot-stopping encounter)

I applaud this C/R for his COURTEOUS approach and wish some of youse would have had similar experiences..

Yeh, NJT may have rescinded the photography pressure and restriction altogether,
but I gotta give the C/R guy credit--- he handled his approaching me in a manner that would put TA BRASS to pasture...

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Re: MTA To Remind Officers There Is No Ban On Train Photography (....and praise for NJT)

Posted by WillD on Wed Mar 15 23:46:21 2006, in response to Re: MTA To Remind Officers There Is No Ban On Train Photography (....and praise for NJT), posted by South Ferry on Wed Mar 15 23:25:44 2006.

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I'll second that. And as a note, you don't really need the permit anymore per this letter: http://www.railpace.com/njt-letter.jpg

That said, NJT has done an excellent job calling off their cops. I've only had one problem with some NJT laborers working at Bay Head, and then a copy of that letter cleared up the issue right away.

I just wish somebody could tell NY Waterways that MARSEC 1 is no excuse for forbidding photography from their midtown dock.


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Re: MTA To Remind Officers There Is No Ban On Train Photography (....and praise for NJT)

Posted by South Ferry on Thu Mar 16 00:09:15 2006, in response to Re: MTA To Remind Officers There Is No Ban On Train Photography (....and praise for NJT), posted by WillD on Wed Mar 15 23:46:21 2006.

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I know about the letter.

Whether the C/R knew about the discontinuance of the policy is not of concern..

I'm most appreciative for the MANNER in which he handled the inquiry.

(after hearing teh horror stories some of you guys experienced, I'd wanted to vouch that there are indeed some
good peep out in NJT whom actually know how to be POLITE and CONSIDERATE in their approaches to rail photogs...)

NJT could teach MTA some things mos' def!

(ye author is APPRECIATIVE for the C/R and is not raising issue of rights of policy).



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Re: MTA To Remind Officers There Is No Ban On Train Photography

Posted by monorail on Thu Mar 16 00:26:38 2006, in response to MTA To Remind Officers There Is No Ban On Train Photography, posted by Bob Andersen on Wed Mar 15 22:16:06 2006.

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Excellent, it's in WRITING, now let's see how long it takes for it to sink in...............

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Re: MTA To Remind Officers There Is No Ban On Train Photography

Posted by G1Ravage on Thu Mar 16 03:26:33 2006, in response to MTA To Remind Officers There Is No Ban On Train Photography, posted by Bob Andersen on Wed Mar 15 22:16:06 2006.

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LOL @ Bobby Cuza getting detained for videotaping.

Good news for all!

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Re: MTA To Remind Officers There Is No Ban On Train Photography

Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Mar 16 07:36:44 2006, in response to Re: MTA To Remind Officers There Is No Ban On Train Photography, posted by G1Ravage on Thu Mar 16 03:26:33 2006.

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They say Bobby Cuza is a god.

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Re: MTA To Remind Officers There Is No Ban On Train Photography

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 16 07:50:20 2006, in response to MTA To Remind Officers There Is No Ban On Train Photography, posted by Bob Andersen on Wed Mar 15 22:16:06 2006.

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WAY to go BOB!!! Your efforts are appreciated. I see you were even quited in the article!!
Nice job! We'll see what happens.

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Re: MTA To Remind Officers There Is No Ban On Train Photography

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 16 07:55:34 2006, in response to Re: MTA To Remind Officers There Is No Ban On Train Photography, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 16 07:50:20 2006.

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I meant "quoted".

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Re: MTA To Remind Officers There Is No Ban On Train Photography

Posted by Fred G on Thu Mar 16 07:57:19 2006, in response to Re: MTA To Remind Officers There Is No Ban On Train Photography, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Mar 15 23:04:29 2006.

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Jamaica! I've got an axe to grind...

your pal,
Fred

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Re: MTA To Remind Officers There Is No Ban On Train Photography

Posted by Bob Andersen on Thu Mar 16 08:07:38 2006, in response to Re: MTA To Remind Officers There Is No Ban On Train Photography, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 16 07:55:34 2006.

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Didn't you click the link for the Video? I was on TV, too!

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Re: MTA To Remind Officers There Is No Ban On Train Photography

Posted by The Port of Authority on Thu Mar 16 08:13:03 2006, in response to MTA To Remind Officers There Is No Ban On Train Photography, posted by Bob Andersen on Wed Mar 15 22:16:06 2006.

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That's great. Thanks!

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Re: MTA To Remind Officers There Is No Ban On Train Photography

Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Mar 16 08:23:42 2006, in response to Re: MTA To Remind Officers There Is No Ban On Train Photography, posted by Bob Andersen on Thu Mar 16 08:07:38 2006.

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So this is the reason you sent in the formal request to the LIRR for their photo policy? It was part of the potential lawsuit?

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Re: MTA To Remind Officers There Is No Ban On Train Photography

Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Mar 16 08:27:01 2006, in response to Re: MTA To Remind Officers There Is No Ban On Train Photography, posted by Fred G on Thu Mar 16 07:57:19 2006.

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I'm seriously gonna test this out, with a printout of the article in hand. First I'll do GCT. I'll also have a "valid transportation ticket" and my email from MNR customer service saying photography is permitted.

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Re: MTA To Remind Officers There Is No Ban On Train Photography

Posted by Bob Andersen on Thu Mar 16 08:38:50 2006, in response to Re: MTA To Remind Officers There Is No Ban On Train Photography, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Mar 16 08:23:42 2006.

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No, I had no intention of going that far initially. It was after I received the LIRR's reply, stating that I had to let them know in advance when, where and for how long I would be taking photos, that I contacted the NYCLU and NY1 (who had already been contacted by several other people who had been hassled when trying to take photos of the LIRR). After meeting with them, I decided to add my name to the list of potential plaintiffs.

Also, I did send a letter to the LIRR Public Affairs Dep't (via certified mail - it was delivered to them 3/7) stating that I intended to take pictures this Saturday March 18 at certain LIRR stations, but I have not yet received a reply. Given what has happened since then - their letter to the NYCLU - I might not get a reply now.

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Re: MTA To Remind Officers There Is No Ban On Train Photography

Posted by Bob Andersen on Thu Mar 16 08:41:45 2006, in response to Re: MTA To Remind Officers There Is No Ban On Train Photography, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Mar 16 08:27:01 2006.

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I asked the NYCLU for a copy of the letter they received from the MTA. If and when I get it, I will post it to my website for you to make a copy.


By the way, I have never had any problems with taking pictures at GCT - there's so many tourists doing the same thing! But Penn Station is another story.

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Re: MTA To Remind Officers There Is No Ban On Train Photography

Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Mar 16 08:45:57 2006, in response to Re: MTA To Remind Officers There Is No Ban On Train Photography, posted by Fred G on Thu Mar 16 07:57:19 2006.

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You want to grind some axes, try HPA

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Re: MTA To Remind Officers There Is No Ban On Train Photography

Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Mar 16 08:51:12 2006, in response to MTA To Remind Officers There Is No Ban On Train Photography, posted by Bob Andersen on Wed Mar 15 22:16:06 2006.

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WAY TO GO BOB'S!

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Re: MTA To Remind Officers There Is No Ban On Train Photography

Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Mar 16 09:09:18 2006, in response to Re: MTA To Remind Officers There Is No Ban On Train Photography, posted by Bob Andersen on Thu Mar 16 08:41:45 2006.

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I asked the NYCLU for a copy of the letter they received from the MTA. If and when I get it, I will post it to my website for you to make a copy.

Thank you!

By the way, I have never had any problems with taking pictures at GCT - there's so many tourists doing the same thing! But Penn Station is another story.

Yes, you can take all the photos you want, no problem, as long as you are not on the platforms. A couple years ago I went down to the lower level for the first time and as I was about to walk down to track level I came upon two cops and a police dog. They wouldn't allow me to "be there." Now that I have a monthly ticket and this article, I'd like to start wandering the platforms getting photos of trains.

I assume we can now do the same thing on the LIRR platforms at Penn Station.

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Re: MTA To Remind Officers There Is No Ban On Train Photography

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 16 09:24:44 2006, in response to Re: MTA To Remind Officers There Is No Ban On Train Photography, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Mar 16 09:09:18 2006.

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I used to always take photos on the platforms of GC, but of course that's a while back.
Penn Station was always a little tricky, even back in the 90's. The LIRR section was no problem, but Amtrak platforms always required you to have a ticket. What I would do in the 90's was go to that back passageway that led to some of the Amtrak platforms from the LIRR platforms. Once on the platforms of Amtrak, you were never bothered, but getting down there wasn't always easy.
Grand Central was never a problem either upstairs or downstairs.
That's what caught me by such surprise a year or two ago when I tried to take some photos on the platforms at GC. Within seconds a worker was on top of me.

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Re: MTA To Remind Officers There Is No Ban On Train Photography

Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Mar 16 09:28:40 2006, in response to Re: MTA To Remind Officers There Is No Ban On Train Photography, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 16 09:24:44 2006.

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But now we have the 'POWA!

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Re: MTA To Remind Officers There Is No Ban On Train Photography

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 16 09:39:55 2006, in response to Re: MTA To Remind Officers There Is No Ban On Train Photography, posted by Bob Andersen on Thu Mar 16 08:07:38 2006.

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I keep trying to watch it, but I always have trouble with Real Player. I tried it this morning at home, and again at work here, but I can't get it to work.

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Re: MTA To Remind Officers There Is No Ban On Train Photography

Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu Mar 16 09:59:11 2006, in response to Re: MTA To Remind Officers There Is No Ban On Train Photography, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Mar 16 07:36:44 2006.

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Yeah, they used to say the same thing about one of his predecessors, Paul Fleuranges, until he sold his soul to the TA.

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Re: MTA To Remind Officers There Is No Ban On Train Photography

Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Mar 17 05:21:49 2006, in response to Re: MTA To Remind Officers There Is No Ban On Train Photography, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Mar 16 09:09:18 2006.

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>>>>By the way, I have never had any problems with taking pictures at GCT - there's so many tourists doing the same thing! But Penn Station is another story.<<<<<

HAHA, go through Penn at 0300 and they'll let sit in their little police golf carts and take pictures of you. But, you have to be a good looking blond.

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Re: MTA To Remind Officers There Is No Ban On Train Photography

Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Mar 17 08:22:00 2006, in response to MTA To Remind Officers There Is No Ban On Train Photography, posted by Bob Andersen on Wed Mar 15 22:16:06 2006.

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Good for you.

http://www.ny1.com/ny1/content/index.jsp?stid=5&aid=57853

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Re: MTA To Remind Officers There Is No Ban On Train Photography

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Mar 17 17:15:37 2006, in response to MTA To Remind Officers There Is No Ban On Train Photography, posted by Bob Andersen on Wed Mar 15 22:16:06 2006.

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They cnaged the link in Bob's post to a different story now.
Here's the new link to Bob's story:
http://www.ny1.com/ny1/content/index.jsp?stid=5&aid=57853

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Re: MTA To Remind Officers There Is No Ban On Train Photography

Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Sun Mar 19 00:43:39 2006, in response to MTA To Remind Officers There Is No Ban On Train Photography, posted by Bob Andersen on Wed Mar 15 22:16:06 2006.

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Wow, Bob ... thank you so much for making a real difference. What a breakthrough this is.

--Mark

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