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[Poll] Who will be the first in the nation to expand their Heavy Rail system? |
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Posted by WillD on Wed Dec 28 17:41:04 2005 Just for shits and giggles I made a poll as to which of the 11 Heavy Rail using transit systems in this country (and Toronto). The poll can be accessed here: http://snappoll.com/poll/57839.phpSo which will it be? Will the WMATA Dulles extension get done before the SEPTA Roosevelt Blvd route? Will the Second Ave Subway be built before Chicago can get its Circle Line completed? Will Los Angeles' new Mayor push for a Red Line expansion before Miami can get a start on this system? Or finally, will Baltimore surprise everyone and do something with their LRT before San Fran can expand BART? |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Dec 28 17:45:01 2005, in response to [Poll] Who will be the first in the nation to expand their Heavy Rail system?, posted by WillD on Wed Dec 28 17:41:04 2005. Puerto Rico beats all of them! |
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Posted by Line 13 on Wed Dec 28 17:47:14 2005, in response to [Poll] Who will be the first in the nation to expand their Heavy Rail system?, posted by WillD on Wed Dec 28 17:41:04 2005. I think that Boston's going to actually extend the Green Line to West Medford (as they're talking a lot about it now - more than usual.) |
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Re: [Poll] Who will be the first in the nation to expand their Heavy Rail system? |
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Posted by WillD on Wed Dec 28 17:50:54 2005, in response to Re: [Poll] Who will be the first in the nation to expand their Heavy Rail system?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Dec 28 17:45:01 2005. They don't count cause they don't pay federal taxes, only consume them. Besides it's not a level playing field since it's what some on this board would call a non-white country and labor is dirt cheap down there. A good source for comparable costs per km can be found here, note the abnormally low cost of Tren Urbano:http://www.railway-technical.com/finance.html |
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Posted by WillD on Wed Dec 28 17:55:53 2005, in response to Re: [Poll] Who will be the first in the nation to expand their Heavy Rail system?, posted by Line 13 on Wed Dec 28 17:47:14 2005. But that would be an LRT expansion, not a heavy rail expansion. If they expanded the Red, Yellow, or Blue lines then that'd certainly qualify as a heavy rail expansion. The big problem in my humble opinion with the MBTA and their planners is that for some reason they seem to regard commuter rail ROWs as a route for their heavy rail system to be expanded to the detriment of commuter rail services. The Blue Line to Lynn sounds like it's still quite possible, but I don't understand why they cannot electrify the commuter line parallel to it and run EMUs on a frequent schedule. The electrification would have applications beyond the mere moving of passengers from Lynn into Downtown Boston, and it'd begin to set up for a North-South station connector tunnel. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Dec 28 17:56:18 2005, in response to Re: [Poll] Who will be the first in the nation to expand their Heavy Rail system?, posted by WillD on Wed Dec 28 17:50:54 2005. I don't see much of a difference honestly compared to alot of the ones there. It's actually more expensive than what was built in Denver |
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Posted by WillD on Wed Dec 28 18:00:44 2005, in response to Re: [Poll] Who will be the first in the nation to expand their Heavy Rail system?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Dec 28 17:56:18 2005. What was built in Denver was an LRT with minimal grade separation and as far as I know no tunneling. It's easy to say your bootleg Heavy Rail system is expensive when you compare it to LRTs with none of the same features. |
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Posted by Line 13 on Wed Dec 28 18:04:55 2005, in response to Re: [Poll] Who will be the first in the nation to expand their Heavy Rail system?, posted by WillD on Wed Dec 28 17:55:53 2005. Well, part of the Green extension would be through a tunnel, so that fulfills the question on your poll page "What will be the first Subway system in the US expanded?"The Blue Line, if extended to Lynn, would need to be improved to be able to handle longer trains. It currently runs the shortest heavy rail trains in the system; some stations (such as Government Center) are only able to platform 4 cars, so these stations would need to be either expanded or closed. I still think that the Fairmount CR line should be a rapid transit line rather than a commuter line. Just raise the platforms, put in some extra stops, and build a short tunnel section downtown. It could even use DMUs if needed. However, why not extend the Fairmount line through the Silver Line tunnel from South Station, and build a new tunnel parallel to the Sumner/Callahan tunnels to Logan Airport with a connection to the Blue Line? Don't forget... there's no Yellow Line. ;-) |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Wed Dec 28 18:34:15 2005, in response to [Poll] Who will be the first in the nation to expand their Heavy Rail system?, posted by WillD on Wed Dec 28 17:41:04 2005. You misspelled San Francisco.Why do you categorize Baltimore's LRT system as a Heavy Rail system? |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Wed Dec 28 18:34:36 2005, in response to [Poll] Who will be the first in the nation to expand their Heavy Rail system?, posted by WillD on Wed Dec 28 17:41:04 2005. I can tell you what will be LAST!My LIRR/NYCT blog |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Dec 28 18:37:11 2005, in response to [Poll] Who will be the first in the nation to expand their Heavy Rail system?, posted by WillD on Wed Dec 28 17:41:04 2005. "Will the WMATA Dulles extension get done before the SEPTA Roosevelt Blvd route?"Will the sun come up tomorrow? Both questions are equally suspenseful. Chciago has a Circle Line in the works? This I have to read about. Your post is the first time I've read about it so I have to go look it up. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Dec 28 18:39:23 2005, in response to Re: [Poll] Who will be the first in the nation to expand their Heavy Rail system?, posted by RonInBayside on Wed Dec 28 18:37:11 2005. Link here to Circle Linehttp://www.chicago-l.org/plans/CircleLine.html |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Dec 28 18:54:12 2005, in response to [Poll] Who will be the first in the nation to expand their Heavy Rail system?, posted by WillD on Wed Dec 28 17:41:04 2005. Washington DC |
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Posted by WillD on Wed Dec 28 19:03:38 2005, in response to Re: [Poll] Who will be the first in the nation to expand their Heavy Rail system?, posted by David of Broadway on Wed Dec 28 18:34:15 2005. So I did, I don't know why I always misspell it.Baltimore has a heavy rail system in addition to their LRT system: http://world.nycsubway.org/us/baltimore/balt-subway.html |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Dec 28 19:06:54 2005, in response to Re: [Poll] Who will be the first in the nation to expand their Heavy Rail system?, posted by WillD on Wed Dec 28 18:00:44 2005. bootleg? Why don't you actually go and see it for yourself before you talk shit about it. |
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Posted by WillD on Wed Dec 28 19:50:40 2005, in response to Re: [Poll] Who will be the first in the nation to expand their Heavy Rail system?, posted by Line 13 on Wed Dec 28 18:04:55 2005. Well, part of the Green extension would be through a tunnel, so that fulfills the question on your poll page "What will be the first Subway system in the US expanded?"The Green Line is generally accepted to be an LRT. Of course this gets into what is and what is not a subway system, but in the thread title I managed to specify Heavy Rail as opposed to LRT. I regret that the question was somewhat ambiguously worded, but still in the US a subway is generally taken as a heavy rail system. If I'd thought to include LRTs with short subway segments then Portland, Dallas, Newark, and a whole host of other cities would be on there, all with MUCH better chances of expansion than NYC, Philly, Chicago or any of the others. I still think that the Fairmount CR line should be a rapid transit line rather than a commuter line. Just raise the platforms, put in some extra stops, and build a short tunnel section downtown. It could even use DMUs if needed. If you do that you deny the MBTA a potentially important route into South Station from their yard facility at Readville. Also, can a DMU really provide rapid transit like service? Even the lightest weight DMUs in use in the US, the Stadler railcars on the Riverline, manage only 2.0mph/s, considerably less than the 3.0mph/s which most rapid transit rolling stock achieves. If you're going to do it electrified then for a 3rd rail or 750vdc overhead catenary installation you're going to spend around 1.5 times the amount required to electrify the commuter rail operations at 25kv. Station design could also be slightly cheaper, since low platforms can be worked into the design, with mini-high platforms for ADA access. Admittedly the FRA electrification would be slightly more expensive than an electrification of the Fairmount line should be, simply because the yards at both ends would drive up the amount of single track miles. In the end though MBTA would have almost all their south-side yard facilities under the wire and there would be little excuse to run piss slow diesels on the NEC. An electrified Fairmount branch using FRA compatible EMUs to get people to South Station could potentially provide the same service you're proposing with a diesel light rapid transit system for a smaller price. It'd also give both Amtrak and MBTA an alternate route into South Station should something happen along the NEC route between Readville and Back Bay. This would also prepare the MBTA for the future north-south connector by giving them yet another electrified line. Potentially the electrification of the Fairmount line could spur the electrification of the Franklin line as well, thus bringing two of the MBTA's larger South Station routes into a North South connector. But then I don't expect much from a city which sunk 15 billion dollars into a highway which does absolutely nothing to fix their traffic problems. |
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Posted by WillD on Wed Dec 28 20:00:59 2005, in response to Re: [Poll] Who will be the first in the nation to expand their Heavy Rail system?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Dec 28 19:06:54 2005. How isn't it bootleg? It was built with stolen money! Those folks don't pay federal taxes, but they sure as hell are good at consuming them. What was the local contribution to Tren Urbano, 20%? 1.5 billion dollars and they can't even do it WMATA-like. With a top speed of 62mph it's the same crap as Miami, Baltimore and LA, just with somewhat nicer, more expensive Siemens cars. |
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Posted by WillD on Wed Dec 28 20:05:04 2005, in response to Re: [Poll] Who will be the first in the nation to expand their Heavy Rail system?, posted by RonInBayside on Wed Dec 28 18:37:11 2005. Will the sun come up tomorrow? Both questions are equally suspenseful.I dunno. That's why I made this poll, to gauge the board's feelings as to which system stood the best chance of expanding their heavy rail rapid transit system. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Wed Dec 28 20:07:56 2005, in response to Re: [Poll] Who will be the first in the nation to expand their Heavy Rail system?, posted by WillD on Wed Dec 28 17:50:54 2005. Besides it's not a level playing field since it's what some on this board would call a non-white country and labor is dirt cheap down there.Compared to most of its neighbours in the region, PR is a "white country". |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Dec 28 20:09:21 2005, in response to Re: [Poll] Who will be the first in the nation to expand their Heavy Rail system?, posted by WillD on Wed Dec 28 20:00:59 2005. There's no reason for max speed to be any higher. The stations are too close. So don't go making arguments that have little or no merrit.And if the US wants PR so badly, then they've gotta pay to maintain it. The US wanted to invest in it, and thus, they invested. Do I think PR should've footed more of the bill, yes. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Dec 28 20:10:56 2005, in response to Re: [Poll] Who will be the first in the nation to expand their Heavy Rail system?, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Wed Dec 28 20:07:56 2005. IAWTP. Will needs to actually travel to PR sometime. It's nothing like the Dominican Republic, Haiti, or pretty much any of the other Carribean islands. They've got building standards, wage standards, etc. He's just talking out of his ass. |
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Posted by WillD on Wed Dec 28 20:17:29 2005, in response to Re: [Poll] Who will be the first in the nation to expand their Heavy Rail system?, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Wed Dec 28 20:07:56 2005. The only thing keeping PR from total Banana Republic status is the massive infusions of cash the Federal Government gives them. They should be required to drop to their knees and pray in the direction of Washington DC three every day for the bounty we have bestowed upon them. |
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Posted by WillD on Wed Dec 28 20:26:26 2005, in response to Re: [Poll] Who will be the first in the nation to expand their Heavy Rail system?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Dec 28 20:10:56 2005. Why would I want to go there? I don't even want to go to Florida, and at least there I have the knowledge that some of my tip will go into federal government and potentially provide a service to me. I think I'll stay out of third world nations for a while, even ones grossly subsidized by the US. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 28 20:30:45 2005, in response to [Poll] Who will be the first in the nation to expand their Heavy Rail system?, posted by WillD on Wed Dec 28 17:41:04 2005. Yes.(Baltimore has no heavy rail. Don't sneak LRT in.) |
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Posted by WillD on Wed Dec 28 20:33:21 2005, in response to Re: [Poll] Who will be the first in the nation to expand their Heavy Rail system?, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 28 20:30:45 2005. Are folks in denial over this system? http://world.nycsubway.org/us/baltimore/balt-subway.html |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Wed Dec 28 20:48:28 2005, in response to Re: [Poll] Who will be the first in the nation to expand their Heavy Rail system?, posted by WillD on Wed Dec 28 19:03:38 2005. I know about the Baltimore Metro quite well -- I've ridden it myself. But you asked if "Baltimore [would] surprise everyone and do something with their LRT." |
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Posted by WillD on Wed Dec 28 20:54:49 2005, in response to Re: [Poll] Who will be the first in the nation to expand their Heavy Rail system?, posted by David of Broadway on Wed Dec 28 20:48:28 2005. Ugh, that's what I get for throwing that up in a hurry. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Dec 28 21:06:33 2005, in response to [Poll] Who will be the first in the nation to expand their Heavy Rail system?, posted by WillD on Wed Dec 28 17:41:04 2005. I have no idea but I said LA because we deserve it more than everyone else. ;) |
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Posted by //ROOT on Wed Dec 28 22:53:53 2005, in response to [Poll] Who will be the first in the nation to expand their Heavy Rail system?, posted by WillD on Wed Dec 28 17:41:04 2005. Well, in any case, the Second Avenue Subway is almost certainly going to be finished LAST. |
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Posted by Subway Camper on Wed Dec 28 22:58:53 2005, in response to [Poll] Who will be the first in the nation to expand their Heavy Rail system?, posted by WillD on Wed Dec 28 17:41:04 2005. Dulles extension will be first. (And no, I didn't vote that because I'm biased.) |
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Posted by RiverLINE3501 on Wed Dec 28 23:16:21 2005, in response to [Poll] Who will be the first in the nation to expand their Heavy Rail system?, posted by WillD on Wed Dec 28 17:41:04 2005. Most likely it will be WMATA. It seems that the Metropolitan Washington Airport Authority people wants the Dulles line, AND THEY WANT IT NOW, and they will literally shove it down Virginia's throat [and Virginia WILL like it because they will mostly be off the financial hook], and screw the Feds. This line will be up and running by 2011, take that to the bank. |
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Posted by Tech-35th on Wed Dec 28 23:24:15 2005, in response to [Poll] Who will be the first in the nation to expand their Heavy Rail system?, posted by WillD on Wed Dec 28 17:41:04 2005. You didn't say how big of an expansion. ;)The CTA is building a new station in the Loop between the State St. and Dearborn St. subways for an airport express service. Sitework has been started; hopefully the station/service/idea will be aborted before they start on the station. CTA Press Release Chicago-L.org Matt |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Thu Dec 29 01:10:44 2005, in response to Re: [Poll] Who will be the first in the nation to expand their Heavy Rail system?, posted by WillD on Wed Dec 28 20:54:49 2005. Ugh, that's what I get for throwing that up in a hurry. Actually you were correct in the first place. One of the three options for the eastwest red line is heavy rail, the other two are lite rail and BRT. Odds are that it will end up being BRT or nothing at all. |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Thu Dec 29 08:46:17 2005, in response to Re: [Poll] Who will be the first in the nation to expand their Heavy Rail system?, posted by Subway Camper on Wed Dec 28 22:58:53 2005. Dulles extension will be first. (And no, I didn't vote that because I'm biased.)I agree. And you're not biased, but I suspect politicians are. |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Thu Dec 29 08:51:38 2005, in response to Re: [Poll] Who will be the first in the nation to expand their Heavy Rail system?, posted by Tech-35th on Wed Dec 28 23:24:15 2005. Wouldn't that stick a bit of a hole in at least one of the existing Washington St stations? |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Dec 29 08:54:42 2005, in response to Re: [Poll] Who will be the first in the nation to expand their Heavy Rail system?, posted by WillD on Wed Dec 28 18:00:44 2005. Denver's new Southeast Corridor line will have a couple of short tunnels strictly for the purpose of crossing under major arterials instead of crossing them at grade. One such tunnel crosses under Colorado Blvd. and the other at Hampden Ave. Both were built by cut-and-cover. |
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Posted by George Foelschow on Thu Dec 29 15:09:54 2005, in response to Re: [Poll] Who will be the first in the nation to expand their Heavy Rail system?, posted by WillD on Wed Dec 28 20:54:49 2005. Indeed. You included Toronto, but omitted Montreal, whereas both are Canadian cities. (I have to admit my vote was based on wishful thinking, but who knows?) |
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Posted by George Foelschow on Thu Dec 29 15:13:35 2005, in response to Re: [Poll] Who will be the first in the nation to expand their Heavy Rail system?, posted by Tech-35th on Wed Dec 28 23:24:15 2005. Also, if Douglas is routed to the Loop via the Paulina connector and Lake Street (rumored for next summer), that would count as a modest extension of route miles. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Dec 29 17:22:20 2005, in response to [Poll] Who will be the first in the nation to expand their Heavy Rail system?, posted by WillD on Wed Dec 28 17:41:04 2005. I'm not sure which is more lacking, the people who responded to the poll or the poll itself.Poll: Which system is already sitting on federal and local funds, with a special sales tax to expand it's system? It would be Miami. If you want to go backwards, their last extension opened in 2003. Palmetto Station. Or if you want to go to the future a 2.2mile extension will be completed in 2009. I don't know exactly what the status is on the system, or why there's limited updates. But you can also talk about Tri-Rails double-track, that's a major "expansion" in it's usability. "Early critics ridiculed Metrorail as "the railroad that doesn't go anywhere." Actually, it goes where close to 50,000 daily riders want to go, and the number is climbing, in last year's third quarter, the latest period for which the American Public Transportation Association has comparable statistics, Miami-Dade posted the highest ridership increase--3.5%--among the nation's 14 heavy rail transit systems. Only two others eked out an increase at all--Philadelphia's SEPTA, with 1.03%, and the Washington Metro, 0.42%. Metrorail Marketing Director Michael de Cossio points out that critics should bear in mind that rapid transit in Miami is not really a "system"--it's a line and probably the busiest single line heavy rail transit carrier in the country." That means compared to other systems that only have one line though as a whole system. Not the busiest rail line versus any other one. |
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Posted by mtl on Thu Dec 29 18:23:24 2005, in response to Re: [Poll] Who will be the first in the nation to expand their Heavy Rail system?, posted by George Foelschow on Thu Dec 29 15:09:54 2005. Montreal *is* building a 3-station, underground, heavy-rail extension of the Orange Line to the next island over, Laval. The heavy work is basically done, and it's scheduled to open in the summer of 2007. So that might actually be your winner.mtl |
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Posted by Metropod on Thu Dec 29 19:37:37 2005, in response to Re: [Poll] Who will be the first in the nation to expand their Heavy Rail system?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Dec 28 20:09:21 2005. remember this is Will were tlking about here. normal reasoning skills don't work, you have to go in a sligtly diffrent direction |
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Posted by Metropod on Thu Dec 29 19:42:38 2005, in response to Re: [Poll] Who will be the first in the nation to expand their Heavy Rail system?, posted by RonInBayside on Wed Dec 28 18:39:23 2005. his mean that the El that conects the Blue line to the rest of the system is getting re opened? |
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Posted by Metropod on Thu Dec 29 19:48:04 2005, in response to Re: [Poll] What has already happened?, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Dec 29 17:22:20 2005. if you want to go backwards...didn't the line to Largo Town Center In DC open last year |
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Posted by Booge on Sat Dec 31 02:55:32 2005, in response to Re: [Poll] Who will be the first in the nation to expand their Heavy Rail system?, posted by mtl on Thu Dec 29 18:23:24 2005. He said 'In the Nation'. Quebec isn't one of our 50 states the last time I heard. |
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Posted by American Pig on Sat Dec 31 10:30:16 2005, in response to Re: [Poll] Who will be the first in the nation to expand their Heavy Rail system?, posted by WillD on Wed Dec 28 20:00:59 2005. If Puerto Rico became a state, it would be the poorest one and consequently they would become eligible for a number of federal entitlement programs, the cost of which would exceed the revenue gained from their paying federal taxes.So Puerto Rico remaining a possession is beneficial to the federal budget. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 31 11:04:02 2005, in response to Re: [Poll] Who will be the first in the nation to expand their Heavy Rail system?, posted by WillD on Wed Dec 28 20:33:21 2005. Yes. It looks too much like Edmonton's LRT
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Posted by American Pig on Sat Dec 31 11:33:48 2005, in response to Re: [Poll] Who will be the first in the nation to expand their Heavy Rail system?, posted by Booge on Sat Dec 31 02:55:32 2005. But despite that, Will included Toronto. |
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Posted by Tech-35th on Sun Jan 1 00:34:13 2006, in response to Re: [Poll] Who will be the first in the nation to expand their Heavy Rail system?, posted by Rail Blue on Thu Dec 29 08:51:38 2005. Wouldn't that stick a bit of a hole in at least one of the existing Washington St stations?Yes. It would plow through the platform under State St. but I think it will join Dearborn between Washington and Lake Transfer (Clark/Lake). This means that the long, continuous platform will no longer be "long, continuous," and the stopping positions will have to be re-arranged. I (and other people I know) will actually walk between the stops on the platform depending on crowding, temperature, direction, lighting, etc. so I hate to see the platform cut up. There still is time to abandon the idea. Matt |
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Posted by Tech-35th on Sun Jan 1 00:37:06 2006, in response to Re: [Poll] Who will be the first in the nation to expand their Heavy Rail system?, posted by George Foelschow on Thu Dec 29 15:13:35 2005. I didn't think of that! They did add a second track to the connector, so technically they did add some track miles, too.Matt |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jan 1 00:42:21 2006, in response to [Poll] Who will be the first in the nation to expand their Heavy Rail system?, posted by WillD on Wed Dec 28 17:41:04 2005. Ha ha, Washington DC is winning by a landslide. I was the first to choose it. w00t for me. Yes, I want a cookie. |
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