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Re: Question About New R160 Screens |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 29 17:49:52 2005, in response to Question About New R160 Screens, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Nov 29 17:39:04 2005. Wow, I bet the MTA hasn't thought of that. You should tell them. |
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Posted by ALSTOM R160A on Tue Nov 29 18:08:40 2005, in response to Question About New R160 Screens, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Nov 29 17:39:04 2005. Umm, you think the MTA hasn't thought of that? I'm sure there will be a protective layering if there isn't already over the equipment. |
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Re: Question About New R160 Screens |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Nov 29 18:24:35 2005, in response to Re: Question About New R160 Screens, posted by ALSTOM R160A on Tue Nov 29 18:08:40 2005. What kind of protective layering is there to keep the screen from malfunctioning? |
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Posted by ALSTOM R160A on Tue Nov 29 18:26:19 2005, in response to Re: Question About New R160 Screens, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Nov 29 18:24:35 2005. I was talking about the vandalism aspect...why do you assume they will malfunction? |
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Posted by WillD on Tue Nov 29 19:42:52 2005, in response to Re: Question About New R160 Screens, posted by ALSTOM R160A on Tue Nov 29 18:26:19 2005. Because Alstom, Bombardier and NYCTA are involved! It's just bound to happen :) |
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Posted by Line 13 on Tue Nov 29 20:25:17 2005, in response to Re: Question About New R160 Screens, posted by WillD on Tue Nov 29 19:42:52 2005. Kawasaki's involved as well, don't forget that.-Line 13, formerly "The Port of Authority" |
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Posted by WillD on Tue Nov 29 20:35:11 2005, in response to Re: Question About New R160 Screens, posted by Line 13 on Tue Nov 29 20:25:17 2005. Yes, and their amount of goodness just cannot overcome the heaping sacks of shit that are Alstom and Bombardier. |
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Posted by M15 to South Ferry on Tue Nov 29 20:36:26 2005, in response to Re: Question About New R160 Screens, posted by WillD on Tue Nov 29 20:35:11 2005. Hopefully Alstom can get its act together when they deliver the R160A's. |
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Posted by JohnL on Tue Nov 29 20:59:27 2005, in response to Re: Question About New R160 Screens, posted by WillD on Tue Nov 29 19:42:52 2005. But none of them are making the LCD displays. Did you see any words like Toshiba or Samsung? |
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Posted by mambomta on Tue Nov 29 21:05:19 2005, in response to Re: Question About New R160 Screens, posted by JohnL on Tue Nov 29 20:59:27 2005. There were no logos or names displayed. OEM screens usually don't display a name, especially if the displays were provided without the casing. |
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Posted by JohnL on Tue Nov 29 21:50:22 2005, in response to Re: Question About New R160 Screens, posted by mambomta on Tue Nov 29 21:05:19 2005. True. If they had a label it would probably be that of whichever subcontractor did the systems integration. |
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The future of such screens (was:Re: Question About New R160 Screens) |
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Posted by WillD on Tue Nov 29 22:36:53 2005, in response to Question About New R160 Screens, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Nov 29 17:39:04 2005. My big question is that since the interior route sign very clearly shows the route in a manner which an LED matrix cannot quite match will they eventually go with the same signs on the front? I don't see why they need the MTA logo up front, everyone knows they're in the NYC subway, so printing it on the train larger than the route sign itself seens pointless. Going with a full color OLED or LCD route designation sign in an R131-style placement would likely make it easier to determine one train from another. This would be especially true for visually impaired people on lines served by routes of varying color, such as Queens Blvd. Elsewhere in the system on more monochromatic lines it's likely the OLED or LCD signs would provide the economic benefits and readability of an LED while providing the clarity and easy placement people have come to know in the rollsigns.Something like this, but without a paper rollsign and with a OLED or LCD in it's place: 
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Re: The future of such screens (was:Re: Question About New R160 Screens) |
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Posted by mambomta on Tue Nov 29 22:45:28 2005, in response to The future of such screens (was:Re: Question About New R160 Screens), posted by WillD on Tue Nov 29 22:36:53 2005. Well, on the R160(& possibly the R143), they put the CBTC equipment where the rollsign would be. So, there is no room to put anything there. |
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Re: The future of such screens (was:Re: Question About New R160 Screens) |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Tue Nov 29 22:46:49 2005, in response to Re: The future of such screens (was:Re: Question About New R160 Screens), posted by mambomta on Tue Nov 29 22:45:28 2005. That's what they say, but flat-panel screens are really skinny. |
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Re: The future of such screens (was:Re: Question About New R160 Screens) |
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Posted by Eric B on Wed Nov 30 00:05:47 2005, in response to The future of such screens (was:Re: Question About New R160 Screens), posted by WillD on Tue Nov 29 22:36:53 2005. OLED is not advanced enough yet. As full size TV/monitors (which are on much more than phone or MP3 player screens) they would die in 2 years; Iw as told today.The technology next to LCD for flat panel screens is Plasma, and this is appearing all over the place, including the employee info screen at Stillwell, the Airline arrivals/departures screens at the Jamaica Airtrain station; and various stores. LCD screens have now gotten as big as Plasma, so you could just take a 42 inch screen, set it on its side, as is done on many of those other displays, and then you would have a high resolution route sign looking just like the old rollsigns. (However, on the LCD, when you look at it at an angle, it grays out, then goes negative!) With the additional space in the rectangle, you could even have the destination (like the 110B signs had) or other info! So I think they should use Plasmas on the 46's and up. (Someone said on the new cars they have equipment in that space, so you would have to use smaller LCD's in the existing space. But for that, they might as well use RGB LED's. But they still think only the red is bright enough for the daylight). But it is most likely the cost that is prohibiting their use as signs. |
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Re: The future of such screens (was:Re: Question About New R160 Screens) |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Nov 30 00:47:22 2005, in response to The future of such screens (was:Re: Question About New R160 Screens), posted by WillD on Tue Nov 29 22:36:53 2005. I prefer the paper rollsigns to the existing red LED route sign. Replacing it with a flat screen like we saw inside the R160 would be the best of both worlds. And bringing back the digital train identification signage which were pioneered by both R110 trainsets would be even cooler. I liked the idea of seeing exactly what specific train I was getting on without having to resort to looking at the printed timetables. |
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Re: The future of such screens (was:Re: Question About New R160 Screens) |
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Posted by JohnL on Wed Nov 30 11:33:44 2005, in response to Re: The future of such screens (was:Re: Question About New R160 Screens), posted by Eric B on Wed Nov 30 00:05:47 2005. Plasma suffers from burn-in pretty easily, so it’s not the technology you would want to use for a large static display, such as a route symbol. |
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Re: The future of such screens (was:Re: Question About New R160 Screens) |
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Posted by mambomta on Wed Nov 30 12:04:51 2005, in response to Re: The future of such screens (was:Re: Question About New R160 Screens), posted by Eric B on Wed Nov 30 00:05:47 2005. Plasma screens(at least the ones you can buy in stores such as PC Richard or Sears) only last for a few years. LCD screens last much longer. |
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Re: The future of such screens (was:Re: Question About New R160 Screens) |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Wed Nov 30 15:39:18 2005, in response to Re: The future of such screens (was:Re: Question About New R160 Screens), posted by JohnL on Wed Nov 30 11:33:44 2005. Put up a screen saver between stations.Seriously -- there's no need for a route to be displayed except when the train is approaching or inside a station. Certainly between underground stations, and arguably between above-ground stations, nobody cares. |
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Re: The future of such screens (was:Re: Question About New R160 Screens) |
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Posted by Eric B on Wed Nov 30 19:06:01 2005, in response to Re: The future of such screens (was:Re: Question About New R160 Screens), posted by mambomta on Wed Nov 30 12:04:51 2005. I've heard that, but then when I happened to ask a TV salesman at J&R yesterday, he said that it was only early Philips' that had that proble. Then, people who got burned spread around a judgment about all plasmas (Jus tlike my wife became skeptical of DVD recording technology when our early Philips recorde gave out after one year).But the angle vision issue of LCD might be a big problem. |
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Posted by Eric B on Wed Nov 30 19:07:22 2005, in response to Re: The future of such screens (was:Re: Question About New R160 Screens), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Nov 30 00:47:22 2005. Would sure make things easier, as towers that can see the train or have cameras like W4th and 59th wouldn't have to be asking for call letter so much! |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Wed Nov 30 19:31:05 2005, in response to Re: The future of such screens (was:Re: Question About New R160 Screens), posted by Eric B on Wed Nov 30 19:07:22 2005. I hate cameras. Cameras are why each and every train has to stop at Gold Street before it gets its lineup. |
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Posted by Eric B on Wed Nov 30 21:07:10 2005, in response to Re: The future of such screens (was:Re: Question About New R160 Screens), posted by David of Broadway on Wed Nov 30 19:31:05 2005. Oh, so THAT'S what that is about!They should place it in a way where they can see what it is and giove the lineup before it gets to the interlocking. |
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Posted by mambomta on Thu Dec 1 00:40:47 2005, in response to Re: The future of such screens (was:Re: Question About New R160 Screens), posted by Eric B on Wed Nov 30 19:06:01 2005. I've heard that, but then when I happened to ask a TV salesman at J&R yesterday, he said that it was only early Philips' that had that proble.My brother works at PC Richard. He's head of stock. He says that it is still a problem(it's with the plasma display itself, not the electronics, the biggest issue is burn-in). But the angle vision issue of LCD might be a big problem. It depends on the LCD. Some LCDs have problems with angle viewing. The higher end ones usually don't have that noticable of a problem. |
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Posted by Alex L. on Thu Dec 1 14:52:52 2005, in response to Re: The future of such screens (was:Re: Question About New R160 Screens), posted by Eric B on Wed Nov 30 21:07:10 2005. There are cameras at Pacific and Atlantic, so DeKalb KNOWS what you are when you punch. There is no good reason why the line-up shouldn't be waiting for you when you arrive. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Thu Dec 1 22:21:23 2005, in response to Re: The future of such screens (was:Re: Question About New R160 Screens), posted by Eric B on Wed Nov 30 21:07:10 2005. They should assume that a Quincy probably isn't going to punch Bravo, radio in with Bravo call letters, and accept a north side lineup.I once heard DeKalb reprimanding a Quincy, keeping it waiting at Gold, for having an unlit front rollsign. They had to keep a train full of passengers waiting for that? They couldn't reprimand while the train was moving? |
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