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Posted by xtimx on Tue Nov 29 17:04:26 2005 
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 29 17:06:53 2005, in response to pictures from the r-160 open house, posted by xtimx on Tue Nov 29 17:04:26 2005. nice |
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Posted by xtimx on Tue Nov 29 17:08:49 2005, in response to Re: pictures from the r-160 open house, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 29 17:06:53 2005. the pictures didnt come out that well but there were lots of people and well bars in the way.the video monitor thing seems real cool, they kept showing this 30 second clip on loop of a waterfall. they said it would be used for information. i can see them using that to sell advertising sooner than later. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Nov 29 17:12:44 2005, in response to pictures from the r-160 open house, posted by xtimx on Tue Nov 29 17:04:26 2005. Anyone know why/how the train was signed as L on the outside but had the A strip maps and the scrolling route ID next to the strip map? I wouldn't have thought that would be possible. |
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Posted by JohnL on Tue Nov 29 17:25:09 2005, in response to Re: pictures from the r-160 open house, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Nov 29 17:12:44 2005. Windoze running the display software? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 29 17:28:05 2005, in response to Re: pictures from the r-160 open house, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Nov 29 17:12:44 2005. It's probably a feature, something the likes of which certain SubChatters have complained about the current cars not being able to do. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Nov 29 17:30:14 2005, in response to Re: pictures from the r-160 open house, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 29 17:28:05 2005. Seems like a useless feature to me. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 29 17:38:31 2005, in response to Re: pictures from the r-160 open house, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Nov 29 17:30:14 2005. G to Stillwell? E to 2 Av? |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Nov 29 17:48:05 2005, in response to Re: pictures from the r-160 open house, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 29 17:38:31 2005. The electronic strip map makes sense. But why have the screen say (W) when the strip is for the A? |
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Posted by M15 to South Ferry on Tue Nov 29 17:48:16 2005, in response to pictures from the r-160 open house, posted by xtimx on Tue Nov 29 17:04:26 2005. Very nice pics and I like how the route designation can change in an instant. Very nice feature. [Which would be handy if the R160's were going to CI for the Q and N lines]. |
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Posted by M15 to South Ferry on Tue Nov 29 17:50:16 2005, in response to Re: pictures from the r-160 open house, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Nov 29 17:48:05 2005. Maybe they just wanted to show the different letters? And the "strip map" looked digital to me. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 29 17:51:15 2005, in response to Re: pictures from the r-160 open house, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Nov 29 17:48:05 2005. Oh geez, everything was just for display purposes. They were cycling through tons of different images on the LCD display just to show you what it would like like. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Nov 29 18:44:05 2005, in response to pictures from the r-160 open house, posted by xtimx on Tue Nov 29 17:04:26 2005. Those strip maps look great. Did they demonstrate the automated announcements? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 29 18:49:36 2005, in response to Re: pictures from the r-160 open house, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Nov 29 18:44:05 2005. Not while I was there. |
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Posted by Line 13 on Tue Nov 29 20:01:38 2005, in response to Re: pictures from the r-160 open house, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Nov 29 18:44:05 2005. The announcements went off a few times, but they were the standard L announcements (albeit a bit louder, though.)Line 13, formerly The Port of Authority |
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Posted by BMTLines on Tue Nov 29 20:12:09 2005, in response to Re: pictures from the r-160 open house, posted by xtimx on Tue Nov 29 17:08:49 2005. the video monitor thing seems real cool, they kept showing this 30 second clip on loop of a waterfall. they said it would be used for information. i can see them using that to sell advertising sooner than laterHow about using it to give a front view - replace the railfan window ;-) |
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Posted by mambomta on Tue Nov 29 20:41:36 2005, in response to Re: pictures from the r-160 open house, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Nov 29 17:12:44 2005. The FIND was not connected to the onboard computer. |
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Posted by The(4)WoodlawnBowlingGreen on Tue Nov 29 20:46:35 2005, in response to pictures from the r-160 open house, posted by xtimx on Tue Nov 29 17:04:26 2005. Why is the "V" bullet red? Isn't it supposed to be orange? >_> |
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Posted by mambomta on Tue Nov 29 20:54:12 2005, in response to Re: pictures from the r-160 open house, posted by The(4)WoodlawnBowlingGreen on Tue Nov 29 20:46:35 2005. Why is the "V" bullet red? Isn't it supposed to be orange? >_>The "B" bullet was brown. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Tue Nov 29 20:59:47 2005, in response to Re: pictures from the r-160 open house, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Nov 29 18:44:05 2005. This is a Brooklyn-bound L train. The next stop is 6th Avenue.and, shortly before we were kicked off at the end Thank you for riding with MTA New York City Transit. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Tue Nov 29 21:00:40 2005, in response to Re: pictures from the r-160 open house, posted by M15 to South Ferry on Tue Nov 29 17:50:16 2005. Most of the time the screen was showing Japanese movies. |
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Posted by Flatbush41 on Tue Nov 29 21:03:47 2005, in response to Re: pictures from the r-160 open house, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Nov 29 17:48:05 2005. It was only a preview of what we may see in the future and it cycled through random images along with the different routes appearing at random. There is no reason why some people are getting a fit over that, relax...Perhaps the two items aren't interchangable for now but that may not be such a bad thing when you think about it. |
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Posted by Eric B on Tue Nov 29 21:56:08 2005, in response to Re: pictures from the r-160 open house, posted by mambomta on Tue Nov 29 20:54:12 2005. That's just the distortion of the colors by the camera. Though in person I did notice the E was a slightly ligher shade of blue than the A. |
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Posted by mambomta on Tue Nov 29 21:58:49 2005, in response to Re: pictures from the r-160 open house, posted by Eric B on Tue Nov 29 21:56:08 2005. That's just the distortion of the colors by the camera.For the V, possibly. I don't remember how the V looked. The B, however, was brown. |
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Posted by Eric B on Tue Nov 29 21:59:07 2005, in response to Re: pictures from the r-160 open house, posted by xtimx on Tue Nov 29 17:08:49 2005. This I found, upon asking the tachnicians, was why they omitted the tri color LED sign in the window (back to back with the external sign). The LCD screen basically replaces that.I saw a bunch of nice video clips on it, though I don't remember what they were about. |
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Posted by Eric B on Tue Nov 29 22:01:08 2005, in response to Re: pictures from the r-160 open house, posted by Flatbush41 on Tue Nov 29 21:03:47 2005. And also, it was being controlled from a laptop in the last car, so as was stated, it was just for display purposes. |
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Posted by Eric B on Tue Nov 29 22:21:43 2005, in response to Re: pictures from the r-160 open house, posted by mambomta on Tue Nov 29 21:58:49 2005. That was just a dullified orange, (or whatever)It didn't look like J/M color did it? |
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Posted by kawasakiR142 on Tue Nov 29 22:24:47 2005, in response to Re: pictures from the r-160 open house, posted by BMTLines on Tue Nov 29 20:12:09 2005. That display is there because of the Swapping thats going to take place within the Queens BLVD route E,F,G,R,VThe TV Screen would be good for morning news or weather info. |
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Posted by kawasakiR142 on Tue Nov 29 22:30:23 2005, in response to Re: pictures from the r-160 open house, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Nov 29 17:12:44 2005. Anonymous Train |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Tue Nov 29 22:32:50 2005, in response to Re: pictures from the r-160 open house, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Nov 29 17:12:44 2005. The R-160B only had the (L) train programmed into the display/announcement system. And only from Manhattan to Canarsie.The "FIND" interior display wasn't connected to the train's computer, and was showing the (A) line simply for display purposes. The LCD television screen, likewise, was alternating between various train lines, and some Japanese commercials. No sound. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Tue Nov 29 22:42:17 2005, in response to Re: pictures from the r-160 open house, posted by G1Ravage on Tue Nov 29 22:32:50 2005. I very much hope the TV screen doesn't have sound! |
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Posted by mambomta on Tue Nov 29 22:43:04 2005, in response to Re: pictures from the r-160 open house, posted by Eric B on Tue Nov 29 22:21:43 2005. It looked just slightly lighter than J/M/Z brown. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Tue Nov 29 22:43:38 2005, in response to Re: pictures from the r-160 open house, posted by mambomta on Tue Nov 29 21:58:49 2005. They'd better not move my B train to Nassau! |
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Posted by M15 to South Ferry on Tue Nov 29 22:46:41 2005, in response to Re: pictures from the r-160 open house, posted by David of Broadway on Tue Nov 29 22:43:38 2005. Lol. If they did what would serve the CPW local? Surely not a local D :) |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Tue Nov 29 22:47:43 2005, in response to Re: pictures from the r-160 open house, posted by M15 to South Ferry on Tue Nov 29 22:46:41 2005. Over Chris Rivera's and SUBWAYSURF's dead bodies! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Nov 29 22:51:26 2005, in response to Re: pictures from the r-160 open house, posted by David of Broadway on Tue Nov 29 22:43:38 2005. Sure! Stick the J and M riders with the Nassau line...oh wait a minute, we've always been "stuck" with Nassau..... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Nov 29 22:55:58 2005, in response to pictures from the r-160 open house, posted by xtimx on Tue Nov 29 17:04:26 2005. Hmmm, I think I like the R160's.The the J and M will be in good hands, even if I do, as a railfan, protest the leaving of the R42's when it happens.... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Nov 29 22:57:35 2005, in response to Re: pictures from the r-160 open house, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Nov 29 17:48:05 2005. Display. It was just showing what the signs can do, for every line. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 29 23:06:48 2005, in response to Re: pictures from the r-160 open house, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Nov 29 22:55:58 2005. Why do you like them? (please make your response relative to the fact that you also like the R-42 cars) |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Nov 29 23:20:34 2005, in response to Re: pictures from the r-160 open house, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 29 23:06:48 2005. I like the way they look. (Remember, I always have liked the R143's too though).The railfan in me of course loves the R42's, and even nostalgically, as I road them since I was a kid, before they were even rebuilt, and looked like crap. However, they are getting worn. It's time. the only reason I would want them to stay is because "we go a long way back together", so they are nostalgic to me, and of course, the obvious, it will be the end of the railfan window on the Eastern Division. Yes a TERRIBLE event, and I obviously will hate that. But from an aesthetic point of view, I think the R160's look pretty sharp. I think they will be great for the passengers. The only thing making me "hate" them is the railfan and loss of nostalgia aspect. From a purely passnger standpoint (which is the reason the subway operates), I can't find anything wrong with them. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Tue Nov 29 23:22:56 2005, in response to Re: pictures from the r-160 open house, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Nov 29 23:20:34 2005. I can think of several. How about the hideous seats, for starters? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Nov 29 23:28:49 2005, in response to Re: pictures from the r-160 open house, posted by David of Broadway on Tue Nov 29 23:22:56 2005. I never had a problem with the R143 seats (and I think the R160s ones will be the same), although of course remember some complaining about them here in the past. (I am assuming they are similar to the R143's, the photos in this thread don't show the seats, so I don't know if they are different). I have only seen exterior photos of the R160's, and the ones above.If the interiors are similar to the R143's, aside from the strip map changes, I think the r143's have much better interiors than the R142's for example, which have all the ombience of a hospital emergency room. |
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Posted by M15 to South Ferry on Tue Nov 29 23:44:48 2005, in response to Re: pictures from the r-160 open house, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Nov 29 23:28:49 2005. How do the R143's have better than the R142's? Other than the R142 being narrower and the doors not aligned w/each other they are the same as the R143 for the most part. |
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Posted by mambomta on Tue Nov 29 23:51:36 2005, in response to Re: pictures from the r-160 open house, posted by M15 to South Ferry on Tue Nov 29 23:44:48 2005. R143 cars have grey interiors which are less harsh on the eyes than the white interiors of the R142/A cars. |
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Posted by M15 to South Ferry on Tue Nov 29 23:52:41 2005, in response to Re: pictures from the r-160 open house, posted by mambomta on Tue Nov 29 23:51:36 2005. Hem I never noticed the difference for some reason. |
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Posted by monorail on Wed Nov 30 01:29:11 2005, in response to Re: pictures from the r-160 open house, posted by David of Broadway on Tue Nov 29 22:42:17 2005. the screen won't have soundthe speakers will! |
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Posted by monorail on Wed Nov 30 01:34:13 2005, in response to Re: pictures from the r-160 open house, posted by David of Broadway on Tue Nov 29 22:43:38 2005. The B train to Nassau?well it is better in the Bahamas! |
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Posted by M15 to South Ferry on Wed Nov 30 01:47:28 2005, in response to Re: pictures from the r-160 open house, posted by David of Broadway on Tue Nov 29 22:47:43 2005. Lol. But would it really hurt to run the D local from 1-5am? There are 8 stops that could use some extra service during those hours. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Wed Nov 30 06:34:25 2005, in response to Re: pictures from the r-160 open house, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Nov 29 23:28:49 2005. The seats are identical. There's a bump. If the bump lines up with the bump in your back, fine. If it doesn't, ouch.Watch seated passengers. If they're slouching in the seat, they're probably trying to avoid the bump. If they're shifting position every few minutes, they're probably trying to find the least uncomfortable position. I usually slouch, but that makes my feet tired, since I'm putting most of my weight on them. Might as well stand. Which brings us to another problem: the HVAC system. At least on the R-142's (I don't ride the R-142A's or R-143's often), there are very strong (and loud!) fans, but the cooling power is weak. If you happen to be positioned where the air hits you, it feels cold (perhaps too cold). But if you don't, and it's a hot day, I hope you don't mind it hot and stuffy, because that's how it will feel. Seated passengers in the middle of the car get HVAC. Most standing passengers do not, nor does anybody near either end of the car. Compare that to the R-42, where you don't feel a strong gust of wind anywhere, but it's simply cool in the entire car, even at the ends. Shall I continue? How about needlessly abrupt acceleration and deceleration? How about crystal clear and ultra-loud (well, not so loud on the R-143, but very loud on the R-142) announcements about all the ordinary stuff that most passengers would rather tune out, but barely audible announcements when the C/R has to say something manually, typically about some sort of service change that the passengers might want to know about? (It seems that one of the fans points directly into the mike! Again, that might be fixed on the R-160, but it's a problem on the R-142.) How about the defective airbag suspension system (again, on the R-142; it may be fixed on the R-160) that produces a bouncier ride than on the cars that are being replaced? Yes, a lot of passengers will cheer when the cars come in, but a lot of passengers automatically prefer new over old, either because they blindly think new is always better than old or because they're happy whenever anybody pays attention to them (the Westinghouse effect). But are the new cars an actual improvement for the passengers? That's not so clear. I can tell you that, as a daily passenger, I'm quite glad that my line still runs R-62A's, which I find meets my needs as a passenger much better than the R-142's across the platform on the 2. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Nov 30 06:37:29 2005, in response to Re: pictures from the r-160 open house, posted by M15 to South Ferry on Tue Nov 29 23:44:48 2005. As mentioned, the R142's are much brighter than the R143's inside. The R143's are much more aesthetically pleasing inside. |
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