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Re: 40% of LIRR Manhattan Passengers now using Grand Central Madison |
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Posted by Allen45 on Mon Mar 3 14:52:18 2025, in response to Re: 40% of LIRR Manhattan Passengers now using Grand Central Madison, posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Mar 3 13:41:55 2025. It does matter when your train gets held at a timepoint for 5-6 minutes at Times Square which is a serious problem on the 2 and 3. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Mar 3 17:19:26 2025, in response to Re: 40% of LIRR Manhattan Passengers now using Grand Central Madison, posted by Allen45 on Mon Mar 3 14:52:18 2025. when your train gets held at a timepoint for 5-6 minutes at Times Square which is a serious problem on the 2 and 3.One strategy the MTA has used to improve terminal-to-terminal on time performance has been to pad schedules. Initially, this took the form of adding a 4 or 5 minute holding time at the next to last station. They have varied their technique a bit by varying which station the use for the holding time. It's been a long time since I calculated the percentage holding time is of run time. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Mar 3 17:55:30 2025, in response to Re: 40% of LIRR Manhattan Passengers now using Grand Central Madison, posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Mar 3 17:19:26 2025. Nothing new with padding schedules. Just about every transit system and airlines engage in padding. With Metro North, the padding was a big factor in their achieving their "95% on time performance". |
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Re: 40% of LIRR Manhattan Passengers now using Grand Central Madison |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Mar 3 18:52:55 2025, in response to Re: 40% of LIRR Manhattan Passengers now using Grand Central Madison, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Mar 3 17:55:30 2025. MNRR still does it.I just took a quick look at the weekend schedule. GCT to Mt Vernon East is pretty much always 28 minutes. Mt Vernon East to GCT is 31 minutes. |
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Posted by Italianstallion on Tue Mar 4 13:03:11 2025, in response to Re: 40% of LIRR Manhattan Passengers now using Grand Central Madison, posted by AlM on Mon Mar 3 18:52:55 2025. Sure. When I started commuting 30 years ago off-peak trains from Riverdale to GCT were 24-28 minutes. Now they are 31-36 minutes. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Mar 5 09:21:35 2025, in response to Re: 40% of LIRR Manhattan Passengers now using Grand Central Madison, posted by Allen45 on Wed Feb 26 21:03:40 2025. No.Service was increased to the RO, Huntington and West Hempstead lines throughout the day and peak service to Midtown was increased by almost a third. Most Brooklyn trains merely replace diverted Far Rock and Hempstead trains now going to GCM. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Mar 5 09:22:47 2025, in response to Re: 40% of LIRR Manhattan Passengers now using Grand Central Madison, posted by Jersey Mike on Thu Feb 27 14:23:40 2025. The Brooklyn shuttles merely replaced service forced to go there for over a century due to capacity limits at NYP. They aren't new trains. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Mar 5 09:27:14 2025, in response to Re: 40% of LIRR Manhattan Passengers now using Grand Central Madison, posted by Allen45 on Fri Feb 28 20:18:17 2025. Prior to GCM there was only hourly off peak service to Huntington and RO. Now it's 30 minutes. As for peak service, 90% of non diesel thru service thru Jamaica is now headed for Manhattan. That's a 20% increase over pre GCM levels. Most of these are extra trains, not replacements for Brooklyn service.People need to stop saying there was no service increases because that is a lie. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 5 15:11:41 2025, in response to Re: 40% of LIRR Manhattan Passengers now using Grand Central Madison, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Mar 5 09:27:14 2025. Aha. So no room for Metro-North in NYP after all. Knew that was going to be another lie. |
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Posted by Italianstallion on Wed Mar 5 16:20:57 2025, in response to Re: 40% of LIRR Manhattan Passengers now using Grand Central Madison, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 5 15:11:41 2025. Not sure how you draw that erroneous conclusion. Whatever your fevered mind thinks, construction of Penn Station Access is well underway. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Mar 5 17:50:06 2025, in response to Re: 40% of LIRR Manhattan Passengers now using Grand Central Madison, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 5 15:11:41 2025. You have reading comprehension issues. Chris never said that there was NO decrease in LIRR service to Penn.MOST GCT trains are either new trains or replace trains that formerly went to Brooklyn. But NOT ALL of them. |
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Posted by Allen45 on Thu Mar 6 08:25:14 2025, in response to Re: 40% of LIRR Manhattan Passengers now using Grand Central Madison, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Mar 5 09:27:14 2025. They could have done half hourly Ronkonkoma and Huntington service without Grand Central, the LIRR chose not to and hoodwinked us with that to pretend it was an increase when it really was not |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 6 18:23:59 2025, in response to Re: 40% of LIRR Manhattan Passengers now using Grand Central Madison, posted by AlM on Wed Mar 5 17:50:06 2025. I feel like the guy who did the wording of the 2nd Amendment.... |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 6 18:28:42 2025, in response to Re: 40% of LIRR Manhattan Passengers now using Grand Central Madison, posted by Allen45 on Thu Mar 6 08:25:14 2025. That's not relevant. The fact is that trains were added all day long. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Mar 6 18:49:04 2025, in response to Re: 40% of LIRR Manhattan Passengers now using Grand Central Madison, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 6 18:23:59 2025. Yeah. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Mar 7 00:51:58 2025, in response to Re: 40% of LIRR Manhattan Passengers now using Grand Central Madison, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 6 18:23:59 2025. Nothing wrong with that wording if you read Richard Henry Lee and what he wrote about militias. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Mar 7 00:52:52 2025, in response to Re: 40% of LIRR Manhattan Passengers now using Grand Central Madison, posted by AlM on Wed Mar 5 17:50:06 2025. Chris never said that there was NO decrease in LIRR service to PennLOL! Haven't heard that the congestion problems in NYP have been solved. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Mar 7 00:53:51 2025, in response to Re: 40% of LIRR Manhattan Passengers now using Grand Central Madison, posted by Allen45 on Thu Mar 6 08:25:14 2025. Where do you get that assumption from? You must think that infrastructure never needs maintenance. |
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Posted by Allen45 on Fri Mar 7 07:22:31 2025, in response to Re: 40% of LIRR Manhattan Passengers now using Grand Central Madison, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Mar 7 00:53:51 2025. LIRR promised half hourly Ronkonkoma service when they did the double track project, then reneged on it. LIRR had half hourly Ronkonkoma service during the 2009 US Open at Bethpage Black. They found a way. |
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Posted by Allen45 on Fri Mar 7 07:24:25 2025, in response to Re: 40% of LIRR Manhattan Passengers now using Grand Central Madison, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 6 18:28:42 2025. That could have been added years ago but chose not to. |
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Posted by alm on Fri Mar 7 09:28:28 2025, in response to Re: 40% of LIRR Manhattan Passengers now using Grand Central Madison, posted by Allen45 on Fri Mar 7 07:24:25 2025. So you have evidence that Penn had ample unused capacity before the opening of GCM? |
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Posted by Allen45 on Fri Mar 7 13:50:03 2025, in response to Re: 40% of LIRR Manhattan Passengers now using Grand Central Madison, posted by alm on Fri Mar 7 09:28:28 2025. Off peak Penn had capacity. It was peak periods that was the issue. Not off peak and weekends. |
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Posted by alm on Fri Mar 7 14:41:27 2025, in response to Re: 40% of LIRR Manhattan Passengers now using Grand Central Madison, posted by Allen45 on Fri Mar 7 13:50:03 2025. OK, agreed. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Fri Mar 7 15:29:23 2025, in response to 40% of LIRR Manhattan Passengers now using Grand Central Madison, posted by AlM on Tue Feb 25 18:55:48 2025. My daughter attends college on Lexington Avenue and uses Grand Central Madison all the time. Heck of a lot better than having to hike over to Penn Station. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Mar 7 23:39:02 2025, in response to Re: 40% of LIRR Manhattan Passengers now using Grand Central Madison, posted by Allen45 on Fri Mar 7 13:50:03 2025. Still talking as if all RR infrastructure is maintenance free, I see. |
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