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Posted by irtredbirdr33 on Mon Nov 25 14:08:55 2024 Tuscarora Almanac for November 25 1963 from The Book of Last Runs All subway trains come to a halt at 12 noon for one minute. This is to commemorate the death of President John F. Kennedy. 1967- from The Book of First and Last Runs This was the weekend that saw the opening of the IND Chrystie Street Line and the Grand Street Station. The last QT Broadway-Brighton Local via Tunnel (BMT Rt. 1), left from Coney Island at 11:59 PM, November 25 (SAT) en-route to Ditmars Boulevard, Astoria. It left Astoria at 1:32 AM, November 2 (SUN). The consist was (N) 3580-1, 3690-1, 3799-8, 3857-6. The last D Concourse-6th Avenue-Culver Express left from Coney Island at 12:03 AM, November 26 (SUN). The consist was (N) R-4 524, 823, R-1 283, R-4 681, 551, 417, R-6 958, R-4 629, 817 and 633. The first D Concourse-6th Avenue-Brighton Express left from Coney Island at 12:10 AM (SUN). This would be the first train to operate through the new Chrystie Street Tunnel. The consist was (N) R-32A 3380-1, 3522-3, 3576-7 and 3642-3. It met the first southbound D Concourse-6th Avenue-Brighton Express at Broadway-Lafayette Street. The consist of the southbound train was (S) R-4 794, R-6 1010, 1006, R-4 796, R-6 996, R-1 137, 249, R-4 806, R-1 141, R-4 677. Tuscarora Marine Almanac for November 25 1964 from The Book of Last Runs Service is discontinued on the Brooklyn-Staten Island Ferry also known as the 69th Street Ferry. This service was operated by the Brooklyn and Richmond Ferry Company from 1912-1939, then by the Electric Ferries until 1954 when it was taken over by the City of New York. The service ran between Saint George, Staten Island and 69th Street in Brooklyn. The last run was made by THE TIDES. Note: Thanksgiving Day in 1967 was November 23 Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by zac on Mon Nov 25 14:41:35 2024, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for November 25, posted by irtredbirdr33 on Mon Nov 25 14:08:55 2024. And on Nov 27, 1967 the first weekday all hell broke loose. Nobody knew which train was going where. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Nov 25 17:17:38 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 25, posted by zac on Mon Nov 25 14:41:35 2024. I remember reading how a motorman punched for an incorrect lineup and, "Instead of going under the East River by tunnel, 1000 astonished riders found themselves crossing the Manhattan Bridge." It didn't identify any route, but it souncds as if a double Ralph was the victim. Or a new RJ, perhaps?Interesting that they ran D trains of ten old timers and eight R-32s. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Nov 25 17:58:02 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 25, posted by zac on Mon Nov 25 14:41:35 2024. My god that first Monday must've been an epic shitshow. |
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Posted by W.B. on Mon Nov 25 22:45:57 2024, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for November 25, posted by irtredbirdr33 on Mon Nov 25 14:08:55 2024. 1967 not only saw the first leg of the Chrystie Street connection open, but also a color-coded "bullet" system for subway routes as created by Massimo Vignelli and Unimark International. Looking at old maps, it appears at the outset:- PMS 130 (116 on uncoated-printed maps) Yellow for 6, N, SS Culver - PMS 165 Orange for 1, 7, D, EE, JJ, SS Franklin Avenue - PMS 185 Red for 2, HH, QB, RJ - PMS 239 Magenta for 4, AA, F, MJ - PMS 300 Blue for A, SS Bowling Green, TT - PMS 311 Blue for 3, 8, E, M, NX, SS 42d Street - PMS 355 Green for CC, GG, RR, SS Dyre Avenue - PMS Process Black for 5, B, LL, QJ, SS Lenox Avenue |
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Posted by gbs on Tue Nov 26 01:18:18 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 25, posted by W.B. on Mon Nov 25 22:45:57 2024. And the 1967 map was quite different from its predecessor: 1966:  1967 (digital reconstruction): 
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Nov 26 01:49:55 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 25, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Nov 25 17:58:02 2024. Indeed it was. I spent some of rush hour at DeKalb as just a plain citizen trying to guide riders. Many trains had either wrong or blank headsigs. Trying to use the 168-Jamica destination to indicate 168 Wash Heights in one case... |
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Posted by zac on Tue Nov 26 08:57:50 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 25, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Nov 25 17:17:38 2024. That's how the trains were made up from before the changeover. And in 1967 those "old timers" were between 30 and 36 years old, and the R9s weren't even 30 yet, but they seemed really old when they started running on the Brighton. The R46s are closing in on 50, and the R32s lasted even longer. |
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Posted by zac on Tue Nov 26 09:04:26 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 25, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Nov 26 01:49:55 2024. You'd have thought, in all those years of planning for this changeover, that the cars they were going to use would have had the proper signs. Instead they were caught flatfooted and so many trains were running without them. And then they repeated the mistake with the R40/42/44/46 with trains that only had signs for one or two routes, as if they never swap cars around. Why was the train the B and not the BB when no cars actually had a B? And why didn't the R32s come with that if that's what they were planning. Why did the R16s not have a 95th St 4th Ave sign when they were going to be assigned to the RR. Why was the EE still saying 8th Ave? I don't remember if there was a Whitehall St sign on the roll. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Nov 26 09:32:30 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 25, posted by zac on Tue Nov 26 08:57:50 2024. If the R-9s came with fluorescent lights that might have bought them 10 or more years of service. With the bare bulbs, they looked ancient next to the R32s & 38s |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Nov 26 10:26:30 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 25, posted by zac on Tue Nov 26 09:04:26 2024. I remember that time period very well, but didn't witness the chaos firsthand. I was in the city just before the madness, on the 24th, but didn't venture into Brooklyn and did not ride on the BMT at all. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Nov 26 10:34:48 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 25, posted by gbs on Tue Nov 26 01:18:18 2024. I'm surprised they kept the TT marking when they could have just run the B as a West End shuttle during the late hours and Sundays. Then again, there was a different mindset then. When the regular route wasn't running, the SS marking was used for any shuttle that covered that portion where a train ran by itself. The 3 along Lenox Ave., the 5 along the Dyre Ave. line and the Moe along Myrtle Ave. come to mind. Then you had the Bowling Green-South Ferry shuttle, but that pattern had been around for a long time. The Culver shuttle doesn't count, since it ran 24/7. |
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Posted by subfan on Tue Nov 26 12:32:33 2024, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for November 25, posted by irtredbirdr33 on Mon Nov 25 14:08:55 2024. Re: the last D on the Culver and the first.D in the Brighton - which made it to 205 first? They left only seven minutes apart, and the Culver/South Brooklyn line is significantly slower than the Brighton.subfan |
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Posted by zac on Tue Nov 26 16:21:16 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 25, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Nov 26 09:32:30 2024. Plus the smell, the groaning, and their overall decrepitness. |
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Posted by zac on Tue Nov 26 16:23:38 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 25, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Nov 26 10:26:30 2024. I rode that first Sunday and Monday, maybe even another time during that week. I was only 12 at the time but was already using the subway by myself. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Nov 26 17:28:27 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 25, posted by zac on Tue Nov 26 16:21:16 2024. Their moans, groans, grunts, snarls and hisses gace them character and personality. And their spur-cut bull and pinion gears were quite literally music to my ears. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Nov 26 17:29:03 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 25, posted by zac on Tue Nov 26 16:23:38 2024. I had just turned 11 myself. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Nov 26 19:42:23 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 25, posted by zac on Tue Nov 26 16:23:38 2024. I rode that first Sunday looking for an R38 on the F. I was unsuccessful.Then I rode after school for the PM rush hour on Monday. It was lightly snowing outside. All I remember is that I rode an R1/9 train on the B West End with an R1 in the lead. |
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Tue Nov 26 21:16:48 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 25, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Nov 25 17:17:38 2024. You may have read that here.--Mark |
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Posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Wed Nov 27 05:44:06 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 25, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Nov 26 17:28:27 2024. They were for me too as long as they weren't on the Brighton. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Nov 27 06:48:07 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 25, posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Wed Nov 27 05:44:06 2024. I rode on more IND old timers on the Lonesome Larry in 1969-70 than on all IND routes combined. |
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Posted by irtredbirdr33 on Wed Nov 27 07:01:26 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 25, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Tue Nov 26 21:16:48 2024. Mark: It's good to hear from you. I remember those excellent histories that you wrote about the subway system. Have a nice Thanksgiving. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by zac on Wed Nov 27 07:40:33 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 25, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Nov 27 06:48:07 2024. When they put them on the LL they replaced one old car, the standards, with another, the R9s. There were a few R42s running when they did that too but not many. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Nov 27 10:12:41 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 25, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Tue Nov 26 21:16:48 2024. It was a newspaper article. Back then we subscribed to The Morning Call, if anyone else remembers that. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Nov 27 10:14:56 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 25, posted by zac on Wed Nov 27 07:40:33 2024. To me, anything was an improvement over the BMT standards, given how I felt about them then. Once in a while, we'd get an R-42 train. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Nov 29 08:29:50 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 25, posted by zac on Tue Nov 26 09:04:26 2024. Didnt alll R1/9 trains have a BB sign? It was the newer cars that had no B, like the R30 and 32. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Nov 29 08:43:04 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 25, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Nov 29 08:29:50 2024. They had all single and double letter route signs from A through F. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Nov 29 08:44:45 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 25, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Nov 29 08:43:04 2024. That's what I thought, even if they were never used (G or FF). |
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Posted by irtredbirdr33 on Fri Nov 29 11:07:13 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 25, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Nov 29 08:29:50 2024. Yes they did. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Nov 29 14:31:58 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 25, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Nov 29 08:44:45 2024. They didn't have G or H signs, just GG and HH. |
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Mon Dec 2 13:59:27 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 25, posted by irtredbirdr33 on Wed Nov 27 07:01:26 2024. Hi RedbirdR33 ... thank you! Hope your Thanksgiving wasn't too stuffy :)--Mark |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 4 08:35:19 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 25, posted by subfan on Tue Nov 26 12:32:33 2024. Also the Brighton D would probably run express on 6th and the Culver local, if they strictly adhered to their respective routings. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Dec 5 03:41:49 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 25, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 4 08:35:19 2024. Midnight and weekend D service ran local on 6th Ave till 57/6 opened so both Ds would have been local on 6th. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Dec 6 04:48:59 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 25, posted by randyo on Thu Dec 5 03:41:49 2024. IINM D trains ran local along 6th Ave. all times except rush hours until July 1, 1968, if you believe the TA-issued map at the time. |
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Posted by irtredbirdr33 on Fri Dec 6 16:35:27 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 25, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Dec 6 04:48:59 2024. Steve: The "D" began running express on the Sixth Avenue with the opening of the Chrystie Street subway in November, 1967 during rush hours only. Full time express service did not begin until the following July. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Dec 6 22:38:05 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 25, posted by irtredbirdr33 on Fri Dec 6 16:35:27 2024. I still remember standing on the n/b platform at 34th St. after we'd finished doing some Christmas shopping at Macy's on December 16, 1967. An R-32 D train glided in on the local track and we boarded it for 59th St. When we got there, the conductor announced, "The next stop on this train will be 125th St." We had to bail to catch our bus home from PABT, and caught a s/b R-10 Abbott. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Dec 6 23:20:37 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 25, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Dec 6 22:38:05 2024. I'm like you and can remember what kind of train I was on for certain events.Going to see The Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade I remember be on an R-42 on the LL train. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Dec 7 08:30:08 2024, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 25, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Dec 6 23:20:37 2024. I never saw that parade in person, although the high school band I played in during my time there appeared in that parade some time ago. |
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