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Guess The Location...easy peasy (maybe) |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Nov 20 17:55:41 2024  |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Nov 20 18:14:13 2024, in response to Guess The Location...easy peasy (maybe), posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Nov 20 17:55:41 2024. S/B Flushing shuttle entering 46th/Bliss St station. Notice the 5 car consist which means that the train has one Q and 1 QX unit. |
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Posted by cortelyounext on Wed Nov 20 19:57:57 2024, in response to Guess The Location...easy peasy (maybe), posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Nov 20 17:55:41 2024. Coney Island or maybe what randyo said which is well above my pay grade. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Nov 20 22:36:08 2024, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasy (maybe), posted by randyo on Wed Nov 20 18:14:13 2024. Correct! What I dont get is those Q's shown had their intact high roof. When they were sent to the mainland they were able to fit thru the 60th st tunnel. I'll guess that they would be off to Coney Island to get prepared for their next assignment. My question is if they could fit in BMT tunnels, why did they have to have their rooves shaved when they were on the Myrtle? |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Nov 21 00:31:16 2024, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasy (maybe), posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Nov 20 22:36:08 2024. Circa 1960, the Dekalb Ave area was realigned and switches relocated. As part of the project, new signals were installed requiring new electrical cable to connect to the new Dekalb master tower. Prior to the new signaling, there was no problem with the original height of the Qs or other BMT el cars. |
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Posted by Q65A on Thu Nov 21 09:40:57 2024, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasy (maybe), posted by randyo on Thu Nov 21 00:31:16 2024. I wonder if our fellow poster W.B. could help us identify those FACCO double deckers coming off Roosevelt Avenue. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Nov 21 09:47:38 2024, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasy (maybe), posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Nov 20 22:36:08 2024. So what was the Flushing Shuttle? I don't recall that ever being discussed. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Nov 21 10:29:24 2024, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasy (maybe), posted by AlM on Thu Nov 21 09:47:38 2024. IIRC, It was a IRT/BMT shuttle that ran from Main St to QBP, then up to Astoria and back to QBP and Main St. That ran until 1949 when BMT trains from the 60st tunnel went up to Astoria after those platforms to Ditmars got a B division shave to allow 10 ft wide cars to run there.This resulted in the complete abandonment of the north side of QBP and its eventual dismantling |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Nov 21 11:21:15 2024, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasy (maybe), posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Nov 21 10:29:24 2024. Ah, thanks. |
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Posted by irtredbirdr33 on Thu Nov 21 16:42:18 2024, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasy (maybe), posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Nov 21 10:29:24 2024. Jim : It was the other way around. As Queensboro Plaza was never designed as a terminal the BMT operated shuttle in the following manner. The inbound shuttle from Corona would become the outbound shuttle to Astoria. The inbound shuttle from Astoria would become the outbound shuttle to Corona (later Flushing). This operation lasted until 1939. The tracks at QBP were re-arranged so that the Flushing and Astoria shuttle would now be separate lines. This was done because the Flushing Line would need much more service due to the opening of the World's Fair.. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Nov 21 17:42:52 2024, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasy (maybe), posted by irtredbirdr33 on Thu Nov 21 16:42:18 2024. Larry; I believe essentially thats what said about the Shuttles from QBP to/from Astoria and Main St. What I didn't know is that the arrangement was discontinued in 1939. I always thought that it lasted until 1948 when the Astoria line started running thru trains from the 60 st tunnel to Ditmars |
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Posted by Q4 on Fri Nov 22 08:07:57 2024, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasy (maybe), posted by Q65A on Thu Nov 21 09:40:57 2024. Yes, another part of that photo that got my attention. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Nov 22 15:29:49 2024, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasy (maybe), posted by Q65A on Thu Nov 21 09:40:57 2024. Thought only Manhattan had double deckers. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Nov 22 15:56:01 2024, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasy (maybe), posted by Q65A on Thu Nov 21 09:40:57 2024. Those were for route 15 that went to Jackson Heights. |
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Posted by Q4 on Fri Nov 22 22:18:53 2024, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasy (maybe), posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Nov 22 15:29:49 2024. I was under that impression to. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Nov 23 03:07:42 2024, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasy (maybe), posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Nov 21 17:42:52 2024. First, the shuttles from both Flushing and Astoria were BMT only since BMT steel cars were too wide for the IRT which was the principal operator of both lines. Prior to the 1939 World’s fair the switching arrangement at Qnsbro Plz was such that arriving shuttles from Flushing and Astoria had the go back to the other line’s terminals. After 1939 with the opening of the fair, the switches at the plaza were rearranged so that each shuttle could operate independently of the other an arrangement that lasted until 1949 when the platforms on the Astoria Line were cut back and through trains of BMT steel cars could operate there giving the Astoria Line exclusively to the BMT and the Flushing Line exclusively to the IRT. Of course since both former privates were now city owned the revenue from both lines was now going to the same place. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Nov 23 08:56:48 2024, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasy (maybe), posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Nov 22 15:56:01 2024. Yep. Shown here is the #15 double decker bus on Roosevelt Ave near the 52nd St Sta. in Woodside |
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Posted by cortelyounext on Sat Nov 23 10:44:15 2024, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasy (maybe), posted by cortelyounext on Wed Nov 20 19:57:57 2024. Well, it's clear evident obvious call it what you will that I have no business entering GTL threads. Over the years, I actually maintained a log, which would be pathetic if it was not so sad, and with this defeat I am currently sitting at 1 for 17 which approximates a success rate of 6%. This rate is not good and anyone with common sense knows that. |
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Posted by Handbrake on Sat Nov 23 11:21:14 2024, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasy (maybe), posted by randyo on Thu Nov 21 00:31:16 2024. The 4th Avenue Subway in Brooklyn was constructed to accept high level railroad equipment that also allowed elevated railcars to pass.Q cars were able to pass over the bridge from the Center Street Subway to 4th Avenue subway in Brooklyn as both subway tunnels had similar civil construction dimensions. BRT ran elevated cars to Chambers Street via the Center Street subway & Williamsburg Bridge well before the BRT steel cars arrived. The Q's roof would have had to have been lowered to travel over the Broadway BMT subway to the Manhattan Bridge from their original elevated gate car height. |
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Posted by Handbrake on Sat Nov 23 20:36:43 2024, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasy (maybe), posted by randyo on Sat Nov 23 03:07:42 2024. IRT signals were found on both Corona and Astoria lines during dual operation. On what side of the track was the wayside signal trip positioned. The IRT side - BMT side, or both sides? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Nov 23 21:05:23 2024, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasy (maybe), posted by cortelyounext on Sat Nov 23 10:44:15 2024. Don't give up.Your GTL score might improve. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Nov 25 02:23:07 2024, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasy (maybe), posted by Handbrake on Sat Nov 23 20:36:43 2024. The stop arm part, I’m not sure of, but the Astoria line retained most of the IRT signaling till new signals were installed on the Astoria Line. Interestingly, the signals at Ditmars were modified to display BMT style aspects while signals at Beebe Ave interlocking continued to display IRT style aspects till replaced by the new signals. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Nov 25 02:29:29 2024, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasy (maybe), posted by Handbrake on Sat Nov 23 11:21:14 2024. The Qs did NOT have to have had their roofs lowered to travel the Bway Subway since all BMT el cars in Queens service had to use it to access Coney Island Yard for heavy maintenance. If that were the case, then how would the newly rebuilt Qs been able to get from CIYd where they were rebuilt to the IRT Queens lines? |
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Posted by W.B. on Mon Nov 25 22:47:29 2024, in response to Re: Guess The Location...easy peasy (maybe), posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Nov 20 22:36:08 2024. The other thing that gave away the location were the "Queen Mary" buses on the 15 route (today's Q32). |
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