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Posted by Jersey Mike on Wed Aug 9 23:08:58 2023 The JO section of the once sprawling ZOO interlocking complex is a surprisingly accessible yet under visited portion of the former PRR Main Line. Named for the former interlocking tower that was absorbed into the larger ZOO scheme in 1930, the JO section is where the west end of the New York-Pittsburgh Subway joins with the PRR Main Line from Suburban Station and today is used to shuffle westbound Amtrak and SEPTA traffic after the discontinuation of main track 4 over the Valley Flyover in 1994. Conveniently located under the Girard Street overpass, of Route 15 trolley fame, I traveled via the nearby SEPTA trolley Route 10 out to get what photos I could ( mirror ) on a weekday morning in August 2022.Arriving back in Philly the evening before, I snagged this nighttime photo of the PRR Suburban Station main entrance across from Love Park.  The next morning I transferred from the MFL to the Route 10 at the Juniper Street trolley terminal. Here is K-Car #9055 on a Route 13 run.  From the Girard Street overpass one can make out the current arrangement of JO, from right to left one sees Main Track #1, the NY-Pittsburgh Subway, Main Track #4 and then Main Track #2.  This part of ZOO interlocking doesn't get much in the way of photos due to the high catenary shields on the bridges and the right of way being bordered by rowhomes. However some breaks in the development allow some views such as here where SEPTA Silverliner IV #406 is passing under the westbound PRR position light signal bridge. One can see that the 134R high signal for movements off the NY-Pittsburgh Subway has been recently converted into a pedestal.  While an Amtrak catenary maintenance vehicle waits at the 142L signal on Main Track #1, a SEPTA shop move consisting of Silverliners V #801 and #802 and Silverliner IV #277 crosses over from Main Track #4 to Main Track #2.   Until 1994 Main Track #4 would continue on straight ahead over the Valley Flyover, crossing above Main Track #2 and a number of freight yard tracks to drop back down onto the right side of the right of way. The Overbrook Maintenance Facility, that the Silverliners are moving towards, was constructed in 1994 to replace the ailing Paoli MU shoppes. This necessitated the realignment of Main Track #4 off the increasingly rickety flyover truss bridge, that soon saw use only for Cynwyd trains with a blanket 10mph speed restriction. The flyover would remain in service until 2018(!) until the opening of a new Cynwyd branch ground connection at PAXON interlocking. Here you can see how the Valley Flyover ramp has been recently cut at the 143 switch.  After the passage of the shoppe move, the catenary maintenance vehicle got its lineup and crossed into the NY-Pittsburgh Subway. The Subway was previously used by premier PRR east-west passenger traffic avoiding a time consuming stop/reverse move at 30th St or Broad Street stations. To save additional time the Subway track was given a straight movement onto the Main Track #4 flyover, a configuration that now delays all westbound Main Track #4 trains that have to make a 30mph diverging move through the JO section.  After the cat vehicle cleared up, a regularly scheduled westbound SEPTA R5 rolled by with Silverliner V #857 on the rear. Note that the pneumatically powered 141 switch has been restored to the normal position.  Walking back to Lancaster Ave, a SEPTA linesman was performing wire maintenance at the Route 10 / Route 15 junction.  Rear end of SEPTA K-Car #9010 at 15th St station.  Despite the fence, the green space adjacent to the Suburban Station tunnel 20th St portal is still a public green space with unlocked gates providing access. The setup is either to deter homeless camping or allow for off leash dog activities.  SEPTA Silverliners V #813 and #816 bookending a train entering the Suburban Station tunnel.   A train led by SEPTA Silverliner #725 emerging from the 20th St portal and only what remains of the old Chinese Wall.   SEPTA Silverliners IV #293 and #163 heading inbound towards Suburban.   Well that's all for today. Next time we'll take advantage of VRE's Yellow Line outage Free Fare special and visit Franconia-Springfield. |
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Posted by Chicagomotorman on Thu Aug 10 18:50:19 2023, in response to PHOTOS: JO, posted by Jersey Mike on Wed Aug 9 23:08:58 2023. You're welcome. |
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Posted by aaron on Thu Aug 10 20:54:56 2023, in response to PHOTOS: JO, posted by Jersey Mike on Wed Aug 9 23:08:58 2023. Wow, I did not know that IVs and Vs could run together... |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Aug 10 21:32:01 2023, in response to Re: PHOTOS: JO, posted by aaron on Thu Aug 10 20:54:56 2023. The photo alone doesn’t prove that they can. Only that they can couple together and maybe one can drag the other. Would need more evidence to prove your hypothesis. |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Thu Aug 10 23:17:00 2023, in response to Re: PHOTOS: JO, posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Aug 10 21:32:01 2023. I know the trainline stuff doesn't work and I am pretty sure they can't MU, but this is not the first time I've seen IV's and V's in the same consist. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Aug 11 00:30:53 2023, in response to Re: PHOTOS: JO, posted by Jersey Mike on Thu Aug 10 23:17:00 2023. Exactly. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Fri Aug 11 09:43:24 2023, in response to Re: PHOTOS: JO, posted by Jersey Mike on Thu Aug 10 23:17:00 2023. So, can I assume the middle car is a "V" and in "Trailer mode" being hauled by (2) "IV's" one at each end?
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Aug 11 19:09:57 2023, in response to Re: PHOTOS: JO, posted by Avid Reader on Fri Aug 11 09:43:24 2023. No, you cannot assume that. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Sat Aug 12 05:54:28 2023, in response to Re: PHOTOS: JO, posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Aug 11 19:09:57 2023. No, you cannot assume that.What are they? Give their designation. And by what Supreme Being authority do you mean I can or cannot assume anything, you ass wipe. (~!~) Crawl back into your dumpster. |
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Posted by Lord Vader on Sat Aug 12 09:06:46 2023, in response to Re: PHOTOS: JO, posted by aaron on Thu Aug 10 20:54:56 2023. I don’t think they can. They very likely are hard added, no air or electric traveling between the drawheads. Very likely the Silverliner V is towing that single car IV to the shop. The pantograph might still be raised for a reason but for towing they’re usually lowered on OOS equipment. I see NJT shop moves a lot whenever I’m operating past Harrison and seeing Arrow III units being hauled from Hudson to the MMC behind an ALP45DM.Vader |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Aug 12 22:03:21 2023, in response to Re: PHOTOS: JO, posted by Avid Reader on Fri Aug 11 09:43:24 2023. Its a married pair of V's and a single IV. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Sat Aug 12 22:59:23 2023, in response to Re: PHOTOS: JO, posted by Avid Reader on Sat Aug 12 05:54:28 2023. Listen shit head, your post was wrong. How dumb are you? You asked a question and I answered it. DIAF. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 12 23:26:52 2023, in response to Re: PHOTOS: JO, posted by Avid Reader on Sat Aug 12 05:54:28 2023. You can assume whatever the fuck you want, but you’d be wrong almost every time. There’s only one objectively correct answer and an infinite number of wrong ones. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Sat Aug 12 23:31:40 2023, in response to Re: PHOTOS: JO, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 12 23:26:52 2023. Exactly. Thanks. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Aug 13 04:43:32 2023, in response to Re: PHOTOS: JO, posted by Lord Vader on Sat Aug 12 09:06:46 2023. Although they may not be able to be connected electrically, since the odd car is in the middle, it's likely that the air lines are connected since brake system compatibility would be an FRA requirement. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Aug 13 05:02:18 2023, in response to Re: PHOTOS: JO, posted by randyo on Sun Aug 13 04:43:32 2023. I’ve ben corrected. A poster pointed out that in fact the consist is a married pair V coupled to a single IV, but in any case I still believe that federal regs require the brake systems to be compatible even if the electrical connections aren’t. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Aug 13 05:41:12 2023, in response to Re: PHOTOS: JO, posted by randyo on Sun Aug 13 05:02:18 2023. You are telling us facts. Thanks , randyo |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Sun Aug 13 10:22:35 2023, in response to Re: PHOTOS: JO, posted by terRAPIN station on Sat Aug 12 22:59:23 2023. You allege I am wrong, yet do not offer a correct answer.(~!~)Now even if you offer a correct answer, you'll still be and always be an ass wipe. (~!~). |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Sun Aug 13 10:24:50 2023, in response to Re: PHOTOS: JO, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 12 23:26:52 2023. Now even if you offer a correct answer, you'll still be and always be an ass wipe. (~!~).Who do you think you are, Pee Wee Herman? |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Sun Aug 13 10:30:58 2023, in response to Re: PHOTOS: JO, posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Aug 12 22:03:21 2023. Thank you for verifying my assumption of types of cars in this consist. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Aug 13 10:32:29 2023, in response to Re: PHOTOS: JO, posted by Avid Reader on Sun Aug 13 10:30:58 2023. No, he contradicted you. |
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