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Posted by Q65A on Sat Apr 29 09:42:41 2023 Posted at the blog at Vanschnookenraggen.com; I'm sure none of this will be "new news" to the folks on SubChat but there are some cool maps in this piece:Fulton St. Subway |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Sat Apr 29 10:20:31 2023, in response to Fulton Street Subway, posted by Q65A on Sat Apr 29 09:42:41 2023. And it was on this date of Sunday, April 29, 1956 (67 years ago), the IND Fulton Street subway line was extended onto the former BMT elevated line above Liberty Avenue through Ozone Park and towards Lefferts Boulevard in Richmond Hill. The new Grant Avenue station bridging the connection between the two routes was opened as an immediate point along the line, first served by the R-10's on the "A".Oddly, that section of the route east of Euclid Avenue uses the BMT's "K" route chaining numbered system on their signal heads, but the station agent booths are assigned in the IND N-100's series numbered format. The 24-hour booth at Lefferts Boulevard is N-141. -William A. Padron ["Fulton-Lefferts Blvd."] |
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Posted by Italianstallion on Sat Apr 29 16:45:49 2023, in response to Fulton Street Subway, posted by Q65A on Sat Apr 29 09:42:41 2023. The last part of the article demolishes the myth of the 76th St. station. |
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Posted by Asgard on Sat Apr 29 18:21:07 2023, in response to Re: Fulton Street Subway, posted by Italianstallion on Sat Apr 29 16:45:49 2023. But it perpetuates the myth that Joe Brennan originated the 76th Street story. |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Sat Apr 29 18:41:20 2023, in response to Re: Fulton Street Subway, posted by Asgard on Sat Apr 29 18:21:07 2023. I started the thread about 76st. not brennan. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Apr 30 05:44:35 2023, in response to Re: Fulton Street Subway, posted by TUNNELRAT on Sat Apr 29 18:41:20 2023. One of the things that the article failed to mention is that originally, Pitkin Ave stopped at the Bkln/Qns border. Sometime during the construction of the IND subway, it was through routed with Old South Rd which started at the border and runs east from that point. Unfortunately, i have been unable to locate maps from the NYC archives, but sometime between the 1920s and the 1940s, Pitkin Ave was routed through private property and connected to Old South Rd and the entire thoroughfare east of there renamed as Pitkin Ave. That explains why Pitkin bears slightly south at approximately 79th St since it follows the original path of Old South Rd. The suggestion that Pitkin Ave would have been wider at that point if a station at 76 St actually existed, doesn’t account for the fact that the exact location where the station is reported to exist didn’t exist at all till the IND came along and over the years since further work on the subway was abandoned quite a few physical changes on the surface of Pitkin Ave have taken place, effectively erasing whatever traces of such construction might have existed. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Apr 30 06:29:11 2023, in response to Re: Fulton Street Subway, posted by Italianstallion on Sat Apr 29 16:45:49 2023. How old are the houses where 76th station would be? |
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Posted by zac on Sun Apr 30 11:59:45 2023, in response to Re: Fulton Street Subway, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Apr 30 06:29:11 2023.  They don't look that old. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Apr 30 17:55:22 2023, in response to Re: Fulton Street Subway, posted by zac on Sun Apr 30 11:59:45 2023. Thanks.Yeah those were probably empty lots when IND Fulton opened. |
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Posted by qveensboro_plaza on Sun Apr 30 18:38:04 2023, in response to Re: Fulton Street Subway, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Apr 30 06:29:11 2023. How old are the houses where 76th station would be?Your comment inspired me to check out the "1940s New York" website that has tax photos of almost every building in the city, taken in the 1940-41 time frame. NOTE: I have extremely ambivalent feelings about opening what will likely be a very LARGE and UGLY can of worms, but nonetheless, here goes: People on this site have long lamented the lack of IND construction photos for the fabled Pitkin Avenue subway extension east of Elderts Lane, which might prove or disprove the existence of a 76th Street station. The four exhibits that follow are not quite PROFF, yet they indicate that some kind of major street construction was going on in the neighborhood in that time period. I. To begin, we have a circa 1940 photo of a home on the northeast corner of Pitkin Avenue and Drew Street. Pitkin Avenue can be seen to the right, going east toward 76 Street. (Drew Avenue is the equivalent of 74th Street.)  There are a couple of notable things here. First, you will see that there are no buildings whatsoever on Pitkin Avenue eastward for several blocks, roughly from 75 Street to 77 Street. It's just vacant land. (This is particularly frustrating because it means that no real estate photos were taken at those crucial locations, so we have to work with circumstantial evidence.) Why was this land left vacant when there was recent construction on either side of it? Could it have been that some major infrastructure project was planned to be built there? Second, notice the yard area to the right of the house. The ground slopes down slightly from the street grade of Pitkin Avenue, but drops off even more sharply going farther east. This discrepancy in grade supports Randyo's observation, earlier in this thread, that Pitkin was extended east to connect with Old South Rd., which occurs a few blocks away at 78th Street. The original topography of this immediate area was not level. Cars are parked at the curb on Pitkin, which gives an idea of the width of the sidewalk from the property line to the curb. Here is a 2020 Google shot of the same house. It shows the same yard space, which is, unfortunately, hidden by fencing.  II. This is a storefront at the southeast corner of Pitkin and 77th Street. Note that the pavement on Pitkin has been removed from roughly the south half of the avenue, as if in preparation for an excavation. The excavated area comes very close to the building line, with just a narrow sidewalk space in front. Two large wooden piles have been driven into the ground in front of the building, apparently to shore it up during construction.  In this 2022 photo of the same site, you can see that the actual sidewalk today is quite wide, I would estimate it extends somewhere between 8 and 12 feet beyond the building line. Whatever type of excavation was being done in 1940, it required digging well beyond the width of the roadbed itself.  III. This is a photo of a house at the southeast corner of Pitkin Avenue and 78th Street, which looks as though it was built in the early 1900s. The house originally stood on Old South Rd., and this is the exact point where Pitkin merges into the Old South Rd. right of way, which then curves to the south, as Randyo noted.  Again, note that a large segment of Pitkin Avenue is in the process of being excavated, and note, too, how close to the property line the excavated area comes. In this 2016 photo of the same site, the cement curb at the property line has been refaced with brick, and it serves as a point of reference to see that the modern curb line now extends a good 8 to 10 feet farther out into what had been the 1940 excavation area.  IV. Finally, we see the houses across the street, on the southwest corner of Pitkin and 78th Street circa 1940, looking west. It is unfortunately a very poor quality photo, but you can see in the distance the tall structure of Public School 214, at the corner of Drew Street.  .Once again we see that asphalt has been taken up from the south side of Pitkin Ave., extending up almost to the corner of 78th Street. Note how close the excavation comes to the corner house, leaving little more than a catwalk on the side. The house itself seems to be in derelict condition, in contrast to the fresh paint, neat shades and lace curtains of the attached house to its left. It looks as though it is ready to be demolished. And here, in a 2011 photo, we see that the house was, in fact, demolished, and the site is now the side yard of the house next door. (The scale is distorted by the fish-eye lens that Google uses.)  Why was the relatively new corner house torn down when its exact contemporary next door remained? It was, of course, right up against the excavation area, but as we saw a block away, the city could have driven piles to shore it up during construction. Can you think of any reason why the city might have wanted to clear a space adjacent to the sidewalk at the southwest corner of Pitkin and 78th Street? So there you have it - some major construction work was definitely being done on Pitkin Avenue circa 1940-41. But what was it? It might have been for a new water main or sewer line for this soon to be developed neighborhood. I don't think, however, that either of those projects would entail removing the sidewalk almost up to the building lines. Maybe, then -- fasten your seat belts -- this is evidence of subway construction on Pitkin, and specifically a station shell at 76 Street, with an easterly exit at 78 Street. In any event, it's something to ponder on a rainy night. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Apr 30 18:48:47 2023, in response to Re: Fulton Street Subway, posted by zac on Sun Apr 30 11:59:45 2023. Look at the historic aerialsThose houses looks like 1950s-60s type housing. |
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Posted by qveensboro_plaza on Sun Apr 30 19:33:43 2023, in response to Re: Fulton Street Subway, posted by qveensboro_plaza on Sun Apr 30 18:38:04 2023. How old are the houses where 76th station would be?Your comment inspired me to check out the "1940s New York" website that has tax photos of almost every building in the city, taken in the 1940-41 time frame. NOTE: I have extremely ambivalent feelings about opening what will likely be a very LARGE and UGLY can of worms, but nonetheless, here goes: People on this site have long lamented the lack of IND construction photos for the fabled Pitkin Avenue subway extension east of Elderts Lane, which might prove or disprove the existence of a 76th Street station. The four exhibits that follow are not quite PROFF, yet they indicate that some kind of major street construction was going on in the neighborhood in that time period. I. To begin, we have a circa 1940 photo of a home on the northeast corner of Pitkin Avenue and Drew Street. Pitkin Avenue can be seen to the right, going east toward 76 Street. (Drew Avenue is the equivalent of 74th Street.) There are a couple of notable things here. First, you will see that there are no buildings whatsoever on Pitkin Avenue eastward for several blocks, roughly from 75 Street to 77 Street. It's just vacant land. (This is particularly frustrating because it means that no real estate photos were taken at those crucial locations, so we have to work with circumstantial evidence.) Why was this land left vacant when there was recent construction on either side of it? Could it have been that some major infrastructure project was planned to be built there? Second, notice the yard area to the right of the house. The ground slopes down slightly from the street grade of Pitkin Avenue, but drops off even more sharply going farther east. This discrepancy in grade supports Randyo's observation, earlier in this thread, that Pitkin was extended east to connect with Old South Rd., which occurs a few blocks away at 78th Street. The original topography of this immediate area was not level. Cars are parked at the curb on Pitkin, which gives an idea of the width of the sidewalk from the property line to the curb. Here is a 2020 Google shot of the same house. It shows the same yard space, which is, unfortunately, hidden by fencing. II. This is a storefront at the southeast corner of Pitkin and 77th Street. Note that the pavement on Pitkin has been removed from roughly the south half of the avenue, as if in preparation for an excavation. The excavated area comes very close to the building line, with just a narrow sidewalk space in front. Two large wooden piles have been driven into the ground in front of the building, apparently to shore it up during construction. In this 2022 photo of the same site, you can see that the actual sidewalk today is quite wide, I would estimate it extends somewhere between 8 and 12 feet beyond the building line. Whatever type of excavation was being done in 1940, it required digging well beyond the width of the roadbed itself. III. This is a photo of a house at the southeast corner of Pitkin Avenue and 78th Street, which looks as though it was built in the early 1900s. The house originally stood on Old South Rd., and this is the exact point where Pitkin merges into the Old South Rd. right of way, which then curves to the south, as Randyo noted. ,Again, note that a large segment of Pitkin Avenue is in the process of being excavated, and note, too, how close to the property line the excavated area comes. In this 2016 photo of the same site, the cement curb at the property line has been refaced with brick, and it serves as a point of reference to see that the modern curb line now extends a good 8 to 10 feet farther out into what had been the 1940 excavation area. IV. Finally, we see the houses across the street, on the southwest corner of Pitkin and 78th Street circa 1940, looking west. It is unfortunately a very poor quality photo, but you can see in the distance the tall structure of Public School 214, at the corner of Drew Street. Once again we see that asphalt has been taken up from the south side of Pitkin Ave., extending up almost to the corner of 78th Street. Note how close the excavation comes to the corner house, leaving little more than a catwalk on the side. The house itself seems to be in derelict condition, in contrast to the fresh paint, neat shades and lace curtains of the attached house to its left. It looks as though it is ready to be demolished. And here, in a 2011 photo, we see that the house was, in fact, demolished, and the site is now the side yard of the house next door. (The scale is distorted by the fish-eye lens that Google uses.) Why was the relatively new corner house torn down when its exact contemporary next door remained? It was, of course, right up against the excavation area, but as we saw a block away, the city could have driven piles to shore it up during construction. Can you think of any reason why the city might have wanted to clear a space adjacent to the sidewalk at the southwest corner of Pitkin and 78th Street? So there you have it - some major construction work was definitely being done on Pitkin Avenue circa 1940-41. But what was it? It might have been for a new water main or sewer line for this soon to be developed neighborhood. I don't think, however, that either of those projects would entail removing the sidewalk almost up to the building lines. Maybe, then -- fasten your seat belts -- this is evidence of subway construction on Pitkin, and specifically a station shell at 76 Street, with an easterly exit at 78 Street. In any event, it's something to ponder on a rainy night. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Apr 30 19:49:10 2023, in response to Re: Fulton Street Subway, posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Apr 30 18:48:47 2023. Yup. If 76th station was a plan, there would not have many buildings upstairs that would present a problem. |
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Posted by zac on Sun Apr 30 19:53:03 2023, in response to [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway), posted by qveensboro_plaza on Sun Apr 30 19:33:43 2023. As is generally accepted, Pitkin/Old South Road was widened at some point in anticipation of subway construction, and maybe what you are seeing is the last steps of the widening. It is 1940 in these photos, and in 1940 they'd only built out to Bway/ENY, and hadn't finished that station either and trains terminated at Rockaway Avenue. They still needed to build out to Euclid Ave at that point, and then beyond, and this did not occur in 1940 but only after the war. This timeline more than anything convinced me years ago that 76th St was a myth. |
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Posted by qveensboro_plaza on Sun Apr 30 19:57:01 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway), posted by zac on Sun Apr 30 19:53:03 2023. Construction on Pitkin Avenue stopped at the beginning of 1942. The line to Euclid was already constructed but they couldn't get the steel to lay rails. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Apr 30 20:34:31 2023, in response to [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway), posted by qveensboro_plaza on Sun Apr 30 19:33:43 2023. Very interesting.Makes a lot of sense. |
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Posted by gbs on Sun Apr 30 21:15:50 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway), posted by qveensboro_plaza on Sun Apr 30 19:57:01 2023. The last subway grates along Pitkin Av are here at Conduit Blvd. (Note also the yellow emergency exit at the bottom grate, with its own little sidewalk path to the main sidewalk.) There are none further east, like between 76 St & 77 St: Going west there are grates all along Pitkin, like between Hemlock St & Autumn Av: This leads to the conclusion that the 4-track excavation ends at Conduit Blvd and never went further east. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon May 1 03:55:11 2023, in response to Re: Fulton Street Subway, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Apr 30 17:55:22 2023. They were. In lat 1962, the late trainmaster George Abere and I walked it and those houses were not there. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon May 1 03:57:51 2023, in response to Re: Fulton Street Subway, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Apr 30 19:49:10 2023. As I mentioned in another post, at the time the IND was being built, Pitkin Ave ended at the county line and had to be through routed across private and probably unposted property to connect to Old South Rd so there was nothing there at the time to preclude construction of a subway in the area. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon May 1 04:37:04 2023, in response to Re: Fulton Street Subway, posted by randyo on Mon May 1 03:57:51 2023. Thanks. |
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Posted by Nyctransitman on Mon May 1 07:45:27 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway), posted by gbs on Sun Apr 30 21:15:50 2023. See the photo at the top the three grates along the Conduit Boulevard are for the current "A" Line which would be traveling in a diagonal direction toward the west side of Pitkin Avenue toward Euclid Avenue, however, look at the eight grates along the northside of Pitkin Avenue between the Conduit Boulevard (adjacent to Sheridan Avenue) and Grant Avenue. I believe those eight grates are not for the current "A" Line service at Grant Avenue but instead for the line heading for the 76th street station. Also, further east along the northside of Pitkin Avenue closer to Grant Avenue there is a yellow square metal area which I believe is an entrance to the tunnel to the 76th Street Station as the Grant Avenue Subway Station layout would be further north at that point. |
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Posted by Nyctransitman on Mon May 1 07:50:21 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway), posted by Nyctransitman on Mon May 1 07:45:27 2023. https://www.google.com/maps/@40.6763447,-73.8657012,3a,75y,349.01h,75.73t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s7Ygl9loov0djjps51dPYXw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en |
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Posted by Nyctransitman on Mon May 1 07:50:55 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway), posted by Nyctransitman on Mon May 1 07:50:21 2023. https://www.google.com/maps/@40.6763447,-73.8657012,3a,75y,349.01h,75.73t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s7Ygl9loov0djjps51dPYXw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en |
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Posted by Dan on Mon May 1 11:31:24 2023, in response to [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway), posted by qveensboro_plaza on Sun Apr 30 19:33:43 2023. Is this series of old NYPL photos helpful?First photo - https://www.oldnyc.org/#705457f-a 1. Lincoln Ave., south of Pitkin Ave., Bklyn. Planks over subway. Sept. 24, 1941 P.L. Sperr, photographer Neg. A-109 2. East from Lincoln Ave. at Pitkin Ave. Subway construction. July 24, 1941 |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon May 1 15:17:05 2023, in response to Re: Fulton Street Subway, posted by qveensboro_plaza on Sun Apr 30 18:38:04 2023. The most plausible explanation is that the “excavation” is just the construction of the very sidewalk and curb that you note exists in the present day Google street view. Old South Road was a pre-auto country road and would have been narrower than modern day Pitkin Avenue. It might have been paved at some point early in the 20th century, followed by a project to actually widen it in anticipation of developing the surrounding area into a “modern suburb”, with wider streets and sidewalks. |
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Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway) |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Mon May 1 20:29:55 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway), posted by qveensboro_plaza on Sun Apr 30 19:57:01 2023. construction was stopped in may of 1942,not the begginning of 1942. |
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Posted by The Silence on Mon May 1 21:13:51 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway), posted by gbs on Sun Apr 30 21:15:50 2023. No, it gets to about Elderts, maybe just past.That emergency exit was the destination of my School Car “Tunnel Walk”. We were nowhere near the end of the tunnel when we got to the bottom of the stairs. It looked like it went at least another couple of blocks. |
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Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway) |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon May 1 21:20:35 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway), posted by The Silence on Mon May 1 21:13:51 2023. Cool location for a tunnel walk.Other classes go to Court St in Brooklyn on the tracks leading to the NYCTM. |
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Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway) |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Mon May 1 21:43:42 2023, in response to [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway), posted by qveensboro_plaza on Sun Apr 30 19:33:43 2023. If any underground utilities already existed, the work may may have been to relocate them in preparation for subway construction. Based on the well-known picture of the model board, and the design of the nearby junction, we can be reasonably certain that subway construction was planned. We just don't know exactly how much made it from someone's imagination to the point of actual construction. As for the underpinning, if that were my building, I'd want more than just two steel plates there if the street were to be excavated for a subway. But nevertheless, this is all quite interesting evidence. |
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Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway) |
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Posted by The Silence on Mon May 1 22:00:11 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway), posted by LuchAAA on Mon May 1 21:20:35 2023. My class had R46 road operations that night out of Pitkin. two birds with one stone. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon May 1 22:06:28 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway), posted by LuchAAA on Mon May 1 21:20:35 2023. I had to do the track walk there as well. |
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Posted by K. Trout on Mon May 1 23:23:52 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway), posted by Nyctransitman on Mon May 1 07:50:21 2023. I think this may be an emergency exit from the connector tracks which dive under Grant Av to access the Pitkin yard leads (incidentally, the ones which point in the direction of 76 St).Area map - I'm talking about the two black lines to the right of Grant Av |
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Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway) |
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Posted by K. Trout on Mon May 1 23:30:04 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway), posted by Dan on Mon May 1 11:31:24 2023. From the curve I think this is the yard lead pointing northbound (geographic west). It doesn't look wide enough to be the 4-track mainline. |
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Posted by K. Trout on Tue May 2 00:22:31 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway), posted by gbs on Sun Apr 30 21:15:50 2023. I slightly revised my map (original discussion and sources) since I think your conclusion that construction didn't go east of Conduit Blvd may be true for the yard leads (unless anyone who has gone down there recalls if there is a second overhead flyover in the layup, beyond the Liberty Av flyover - assuming those would be visible and not on top of the tunnel roof), but the main line may have gone a bit past it. Eldert Lane is the furthest point east that I'm willing to believe, since it could have been a convenient survey marker. |
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Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway) |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue May 2 05:36:36 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway), posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon May 1 22:06:28 2023. Did you think of Taking of the Pelham 123 when you were there?That's where they taped the scene when Mr. Brown, Mr. Grey, and Mr. Blue all die. |
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Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway) |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue May 2 05:38:29 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway), posted by The Silence on Mon May 1 22:00:11 2023. Cool.Are you going to move up front to T/O? |
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Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway) |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue May 2 05:45:18 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway), posted by Nyctransitman on Mon May 1 07:45:27 2023. believe those eight grates are not for the current "A" Line service at Grant Avenue but instead for the line heading for the 76th street stationcould they be utilities gratings? such grates are all over NYC for electricity and/or telephone wire and later cable television. |
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Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway) |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue May 2 07:02:47 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway), posted by LuchAAA on Tue May 2 05:36:36 2023. No. I was 30 minutes late ( hungover and overslept🤣), and I was more concerned withthat! |
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Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway) |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue May 2 08:48:40 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway), posted by Andrew Saucci on Mon May 1 21:43:42 2023. I can imagine prep work ongoing until all construction stopped in 1942. After WWII focus shifted to connecting to the BMT. There is no tunnel under Pitkin after it crosses into Queens. |
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Re: Fulton Street Subway |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue May 2 08:52:02 2023, in response to Re: Fulton Street Subway, posted by zac on Sun Apr 30 11:59:45 2023. Classic late 50s construction. |
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Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway) |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Tue May 2 12:02:15 2023, in response to Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway), posted by LuchAAA on Tue May 2 05:36:36 2023. Quick question - in the scene where the undercover cop jumps out of the back of the train after the hijackers got out, the car is seen moving south away from the cop after he tumbles to the track. Is that IRT car operating in an IND tunnel? It would have to be, if the emergency exit area where three of the hijackers met their fate was in the Court Street tunnel. |
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For the Love of God (Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway)) |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Tue May 2 12:21:53 2023, in response to [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway), posted by qveensboro_plaza on Sun Apr 30 19:33:43 2023. CAN SOMEONE PLEASE GET BEHIND THE CINDER BLOCK WALL ONCE AND FOR ALL, AND END OUR MISERY? |
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Re: For the Love of God (Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway)) |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 2 12:26:22 2023, in response to For the Love of God (Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway)), posted by Mitch45 on Tue May 2 12:21:53 2023. You clearly don’t know what the “cinder block wall” is. It’s on the yard lead. The Pitkin subway ends in a concrete wall. This is brought up every time. |
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Re: For the Love of God (Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway)) |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue May 2 14:48:57 2023, in response to For the Love of God (Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway)), posted by Mitch45 on Tue May 2 12:21:53 2023. I know someone who did. Word is the tunnel is full of old Polybius video game cabinets...... |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 2 15:10:51 2023, in response to For the Love of God (Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway)), posted by Mitch45 on Tue May 2 12:21:53 2023. Who cares? |
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Re: For the Love of God (Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway)) |
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Posted by randyo on Tue May 2 16:28:27 2023, in response to For the Love of God (Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway)), posted by Mitch45 on Tue May 2 12:21:53 2023. According to a couple of TA employees who worked flagging at thr time the BMT connection was made prior to the concrete wall, there was simply a wooden barricade at the end of the Pitkin Ave tks. The installation of the concrete wall was most likely a part of the total construction in the area. The cinder block wall at the end of yd leads A7 and A8 did not go up till sometime after 1962 when I was in there. There were also working tks and signals on both yd leads and the switches to A5 and A6 had just been removed sometime in 1962. |
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Re: Fulton Street Subway |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Tue May 2 17:22:46 2023, in response to Re: Fulton Street Subway, posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 2 15:10:51 2023. those who are commenting on this thread. |
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Re: For the Love of God (Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway)) |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Tue May 2 17:24:15 2023, in response to For the Love of God (Re: [PHOTOS:] PITKIN AVE-- PROFF?? (Was - Re: Fulton Street Subway)), posted by Mitch45 on Tue May 2 12:21:53 2023. behind the wall is dirt fron the trackbed to the ceiling. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 2 18:18:17 2023, in response to Re: Fulton Street Subway, posted by TUNNELRAT on Tue May 2 17:22:46 2023. Won't get Phase II of the Second Avenue Subway built any faster. |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Tue May 2 18:57:20 2023, in response to Re: Fulton Street Subway, posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 2 18:18:17 2023. AND WHO SAID IT WOULD? |
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