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LIRR draft schedules for service to “Grand Central Madison” |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 2 15:45:05 2022 https://new.mta.info/agency/long-island-rail-road/lirr-to-grand-central/schedulesNew thread because this isn’t about the ridiculous name. |
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Re: LIRR draft schedules for service to “Grand Central Madison” |
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Posted by Charles G on Thu Jun 2 15:57:06 2022, in response to LIRR draft schedules for service to “Grand Central Madison”, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 2 15:45:05 2022. Most notable thing I see right away is that there are no trains that skip Jamaica. |
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Posted by Allan on Thu Jun 2 16:19:23 2022, in response to Re: LIRR draft schedules for service to “Grand Central Madison”, posted by Charles G on Thu Jun 2 15:57:06 2022. It does stand to reason as to allow those on Penn bound trains to transfer to GC trains (and vice versa). |
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Posted by Allan on Thu Jun 2 16:23:25 2022, in response to LIRR draft schedules for service to “Grand Central Madison”, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 2 15:45:05 2022. Interesting that the timetables say Grand Central leaving off the Madison.The station is under Park Av. They should have called it 'Grand Central Park'. |
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Posted by Charles G on Thu Jun 2 16:36:57 2022, in response to LIRR draft schedules for service to “Grand Central Madison”, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 2 15:45:05 2022. Another observation -- like Grand Central, "Grand Central Madison" will also shut down overnight, with no departures between 1:45am and 5:45am. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jun 2 16:39:13 2022, in response to Re: LIRR draft schedules for service to “Grand Central Madison”, posted by Allan on Thu Jun 2 16:23:25 2022. The station is under Park Av.I guess so. But the concourse is under the area between Madison and Vanderbilt. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jun 2 16:40:02 2022, in response to LIRR draft schedules for service to “Grand Central Madison”, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 2 15:45:05 2022. I have been studying them the last couple of hours.I think they will have to give in about more peak trains from Long Island to Brooklyn, like a few Far Rockaway. Strange that Far Rockaway is mostly a GCT branch on weekdays, but a NYPS branch on weekends. Oyster Bay on weekends remains in the dust, and an unusbale service, 2 hour intervals and a 3 hour one. They could run a 90 minute interval wiht the same 2 train sets with a little thought. All the off-peak Huntingtons are all stop locals. Port Jeff shuttles go back to 90 minutes, but still a very slow trip. At least the South Shore diesels connect with faster MU's or run direct. Stopping all the weekend Ronkonkoma's at Elmont is overkill. 4+ hour gap reverse peak remains out of Port Jeff itself, or you have to Suffolk Transit yourself to Stony Brook for an intermediate train. Same train never stops at both Kew Gardens and Forest Hills. Nothing wrong about that. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jun 2 16:44:05 2022, in response to Re: LIRR draft schedules for service to “Grand Central Madison”, posted by Charles G on Thu Jun 2 16:36:57 2022. Interesting. They could easily keep the LIRR concourse open while keeping the main GCT area closed. |
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Posted by Charles G on Thu Jun 2 16:45:21 2022, in response to Re: LIRR draft schedules for service to “Grand Central Madison”, posted by Joe V on Thu Jun 2 16:40:02 2022. The Elmont thing is surreal. What on earth does that station need 15-minute service all day long on weekends? |
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Posted by Allan on Thu Jun 2 16:46:08 2022, in response to Re: LIRR draft schedules for service to “Grand Central Madison”, posted by Charles G on Thu Jun 2 16:36:57 2022. Not surprising since there is no LIRR service to/from Penn during overnight hours. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jun 2 16:51:01 2022, in response to Re: LIRR draft schedules for service to “Grand Central Madison”, posted by Allan on Thu Jun 2 16:46:08 2022. Yes there is. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jun 2 16:51:24 2022, in response to Re: LIRR draft schedules for service to “Grand Central Madison”, posted by Charles G on Thu Jun 2 16:36:57 2022. Metro North may have forced their hand. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jun 2 16:52:07 2022, in response to Re: LIRR draft schedules for service to “Grand Central Madison”, posted by Charles G on Thu Jun 2 16:45:21 2022. To justify an effing boondoggle. |
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Posted by Charles G on Thu Jun 2 16:52:10 2022, in response to Re: LIRR draft schedules for service to “Grand Central Madison”, posted by Allan on Thu Jun 2 16:46:08 2022. The LIRR has always run overnight service from Penn. The draft schedules show 4 trains per hour eastbound from Penn towards Jamaica between 2am and 5am. This seems slightly more frequent than my recollection of the schedules when I used to ride the rails late night. (I remember just missing the 2:43am to Babylon and having to wait for the 5:10am train a few times -- which really wasn't all that much fun in 1980's Penn Station...). |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jun 2 16:56:21 2022, in response to Re: LIRR draft schedules for service to “Grand Central Madison”, posted by Charles G on Thu Jun 2 16:52:10 2022. Yes, though different clock patterns on weekends for some reason.2:43 must have been a weekends. Weekdays would have been 1:10 and 3:10am. Same clock pattern as daytime, though skipped 2 and 4 oclock hours. |
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Posted by Allan on Thu Jun 2 16:58:36 2022, in response to Re: LIRR draft schedules for service to “Grand Central Madison”, posted by Charles G on Thu Jun 2 16:52:10 2022. I stand corrected. |
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Posted by Charles G on Thu Jun 2 17:01:24 2022, in response to Re: LIRR draft schedules for service to “Grand Central Madison”, posted by Joe V on Thu Jun 2 16:51:24 2022. I don't think it is necessarily a bad thing. Once service becomes infrequent, I think it is better to have it consolidated at one terminal or the other. |
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Posted by Allan on Thu Jun 2 17:01:34 2022, in response to Re: LIRR draft schedules for service to “Grand Central Madison”, posted by Joe V on Thu Jun 2 16:51:24 2022. It may also be because the One Vanderbilt building doesn't want to keep the building entrances open all night. |
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Posted by Italianstallion on Thu Jun 2 17:41:24 2022, in response to LIRR draft schedules for service to “Grand Central Madison”, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 2 15:45:05 2022. Some of this is amazing. Forest Hills gets 12 minute headways in morning rush. |
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Posted by Italianstallion on Thu Jun 2 17:42:41 2022, in response to Re: LIRR draft schedules for service to “Grand Central Madison”, posted by Allan on Thu Jun 2 17:01:34 2022. There are plenty other entrances. |
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Posted by Italianstallion on Thu Jun 2 17:43:29 2022, in response to Re: LIRR draft schedules for service to “Grand Central Madison”, posted by Charles G on Thu Jun 2 16:36:57 2022. They should solve that problem by restoring Metro-North overnight service, |
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Posted by zac on Thu Jun 2 17:45:24 2022, in response to Re: LIRR draft schedules for service to “Grand Central Madison”, posted by Allan on Thu Jun 2 16:23:25 2022. These were probably created before the name was decided the other day. |
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Posted by Italianstallion on Thu Jun 2 17:48:40 2022, in response to Re: LIRR draft schedules for service to “Grand Central Madison”, posted by Charles G on Thu Jun 2 16:45:21 2022. Isn’t there a big park ‘n’ ride lot? |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Jun 2 17:56:36 2022, in response to Re: LIRR draft schedules for service to “Grand Central Madison”, posted by AlM on Thu Jun 2 16:44:05 2022. How would they do that? |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Jun 2 17:58:21 2022, in response to Re: LIRR draft schedules for service to “Grand Central Madison”, posted by Joe V on Thu Jun 2 16:51:24 2022. Yep. After all, they're the landlord. |
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Posted by Charles G on Thu Jun 2 18:05:56 2022, in response to Re: LIRR draft schedules for service to “Grand Central Madison”, posted by Italianstallion on Thu Jun 2 17:48:40 2022. 150 spaces reserved for commuters. The rest of the 2800 spaces in the lot are paid spaces.It doesn't make any sense. The station will get one train per hour in each direction during off-peak times on weekdays, and four trains per hour in each direction on weekends. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jun 2 18:08:27 2022, in response to Re: LIRR draft schedules for service to “Grand Central Madison”, posted by Italianstallion on Thu Jun 2 17:43:29 2022. MTA never tells their Fair Haired child Metro North what to do. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jun 2 18:09:00 2022, in response to Re: LIRR draft schedules for service to “Grand Central Madison”, posted by Italianstallion on Thu Jun 2 17:41:24 2022. Good. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jun 2 18:16:17 2022, in response to Re: LIRR draft schedules for service to “Grand Central Madison”, posted by Charles G on Thu Jun 2 18:05:56 2022. That 4 TPH bullshit on weekends will just have to be drafted out. It is ridiculous. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Jun 2 18:16:46 2022, in response to Re: LIRR draft schedules for service to “Grand Central Madison”, posted by Italianstallion on Thu Jun 2 17:43:29 2022. That idea has been kicked around for years and every time it gets shot down. Lack of Equipment, equipment turn cycles and crew placements has always been the leading excuses. All sounded like bullshit to me. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jun 2 18:19:36 2022, in response to Re: LIRR draft schedules for service to “Grand Central Madison”, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Jun 2 18:16:46 2022. CHuck Hoppe when at LIRR around 1991 tried to kill overnight night service to be in line with MN. He got tarred and feathered for it (and for a lot of his other stupid service cut proposals). |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Jun 2 18:36:23 2022, in response to Re: LIRR draft schedules for service to “Grand Central Madison”, posted by Joe V on Thu Jun 2 18:19:36 2022. Big mistake not having round the clock MN service. IIRC Penn Central shut GCT down back in the early 70s when they went broke. But that was then. This is now. The explosive population & housing growth in the Harlem And Hudson Valleys in NY & the growth in Fairfield and New Haven counties in CT in the past 50 yrs more than justifies the service. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jun 2 19:11:34 2022, in response to Re: LIRR draft schedules for service to “Grand Central Madison”, posted by Charles G on Thu Jun 2 16:52:10 2022. This seems slightly more frequent than my recollection of the schedules when I used to ride the rails late night.Once or twice I've taken a very very early morning train from Penn and then on to JFK. I also don't remember quite 4 tph to Jamaica - more like 3. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jun 2 19:13:14 2022, in response to Re: LIRR draft schedules for service to “Grand Central Madison”, posted by Joe V on Thu Jun 2 16:51:24 2022. What does MNRR have to do with it?The entrances from Madison Ave to the LIRR concourse have nothing to do with the current GCT. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jun 2 19:14:53 2022, in response to Re: LIRR draft schedules for service to “Grand Central Madison”, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Jun 2 17:58:21 2022. Are they the landlord of the new concourse? |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jun 2 19:15:24 2022, in response to Re: LIRR draft schedules for service to “Grand Central Madison”, posted by AlM on Thu Jun 2 19:13:14 2022. There's other entrances that overlap. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jun 2 19:18:30 2022, in response to Re: LIRR draft schedules for service to “Grand Central Madison”, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Jun 2 17:56:36 2022. There are entrances to the concourse from Madison each at 45th through 48th streets. These are totally disconnected from the current GCT. I posted a map. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jun 2 19:19:35 2022, in response to Re: LIRR draft schedules for service to “Grand Central Madison”, posted by Joe V on Thu Jun 2 19:15:24 2022. Those could be shut overnight.Some GCT entrances are in fact closed all weekend. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jun 2 19:20:50 2022, in response to Re: LIRR draft schedules for service to “Grand Central Madison”, posted by AlM on Thu Jun 2 19:18:30 2022. They'd obviously would rather abandon the place than close of a bunch of entrances. 45th & 48th along Madison is quite a ways from any subway for one thing. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jun 2 19:26:01 2022, in response to Re: LIRR draft schedules for service to “Grand Central Madison”, posted by Joe V on Thu Jun 2 19:20:50 2022. Look at the map. It's about a wash. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jun 2 19:27:08 2022, in response to Re: LIRR draft schedules for service to “Grand Central Madison”, posted by AlM on Thu Jun 2 19:26:01 2022. The obviously made their decision. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jun 2 19:28:08 2022, in response to Re: LIRR draft schedules for service to “Grand Central Madison”, posted by Joe V on Thu Jun 2 19:27:08 2022. Yes, but I think for the reason Charles gave, not your reason. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jun 2 19:32:59 2022, in response to Re: LIRR draft schedules for service to “Grand Central Madison”, posted by AlM on Thu Jun 2 19:28:08 2022. He didn't give any reaosn, just that they are shutting it down for 4 hours. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Jun 2 19:50:46 2022, in response to Re: LIRR draft schedules for service to “Grand Central Madison”, posted by AlM on Thu Jun 2 19:18:30 2022. I speak of those who get off the Lex Ave subway after hours. That would be where most of the riders would come from. So they would now have to walk in the street up to Mad & 45th or 48th st in the middle of the night to get to the LIRR station with the concourse closed? |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jun 2 20:06:09 2022, in response to Re: LIRR draft schedules for service to “Grand Central Madison”, posted by Joe V on Thu Jun 2 19:32:59 2022. Once service becomes infrequent, I think it is better to have it consolidated at one terminal or the other. |
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Posted by Italianstallion on Thu Jun 2 20:47:28 2022, in response to Re: LIRR draft schedules for service to “Grand Central Madison”, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Jun 2 18:36:23 2022. It wasn’t about going broke. It was about being able to kick out the homeless at night. |
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Posted by Italianstallion on Thu Jun 2 20:49:38 2022, in response to Re: LIRR draft schedules for service to “Grand Central Madison”, posted by AlM on Thu Jun 2 19:14:53 2022. Maybe not. |
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Posted by Italianstallion on Thu Jun 2 20:57:50 2022, in response to LIRR draft schedules for service to “Grand Central Madison”, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 2 15:45:05 2022. Why does it take 8 minutes to go from Hunterspoint to LIC in the morning, but 17 minutes to do the reverse move in the evening? Even 8 minutes seems like a lot. |
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Posted by Italianstallion on Thu Jun 2 20:58:40 2022, in response to LIRR draft schedules for service to “Grand Central Madison”, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 2 15:45:05 2022. Why does it take 8 minutes to go from Hunterspoint to LIC in the morning, but 17 minutes to do the reverse move in the evening? Even 8 minutes seems like a lot. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Jun 2 21:43:18 2022, in response to Re: LIRR draft schedules for service to “Grand Central Madison”, posted by Italianstallion on Thu Jun 2 20:58:40 2022. LIC is more of a yard with some short platforms on it than a true station. HPA is the real origin/destination on that section of the Montauk Branch, which is why evening trains spend a lot of time dwelling there before heading east. |
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