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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 2 21:22:03 2021, in response to Re: R211 photos from MTA Flickr, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Jul 2 19:55:19 2021. IAWTP |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Fri Jul 2 21:24:55 2021, in response to Re: R211 photos from MTA Flickr, posted by VictorM on Fri Jul 2 20:22:40 2021. $2.6 million for rolling skid rows.That’s more than my car or house. |
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Posted by jabrams on Fri Jul 2 23:43:34 2021, in response to Re: R211 photos from MTA Flickr, posted by Joe V on Fri Jul 2 15:11:26 2021. Back in the old BMT Standard days, only one set of doors were open in each car as the train waited to leave in the winter at Rockaway Parkway. |
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Posted by jabrams on Fri Jul 2 23:44:47 2021, in response to Re: R211 photos from MTA Flickr, posted by randyo on Fri Jul 2 17:40:17 2021. The cars are missing the safety changes. Does the MTA install them (voiding the warranty!)? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 3 01:26:07 2021, in response to R211 photos from MTA Flickr, posted by GojiMet86 on Thu Jul 1 14:59:43 2021. Ugh on that interior. Looks like children's "monkey bars" all over the place, and that shade of yellow is garish. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Jul 3 01:59:47 2021, in response to Re: R211 photos from MTA Flickr, posted by jabrams on Fri Jul 2 23:44:47 2021. The safety chains and springs will be installed in NYCTA shops and is likely covered in the contract provisions. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 3 02:28:15 2021, in response to Re: R211 photos from MTA Flickr, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 3 01:26:07 2021. I agree.Has an EDM look to it. (Or maybe it's a shout out to Aspie railfans 😃) |
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Posted by jimmymc25 on Sat Jul 3 02:38:42 2021, in response to Re: R211 photos from MTA Flickr, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Jul 2 19:58:33 2021. I know....and it seems everytime I see a pic it looks worse.Very obnoxious. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 3 02:43:43 2021, in response to Re: R211 photos from MTA Flickr, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Jul 2 19:54:34 2021. Looks very Eurocentric. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 3 05:37:22 2021, in response to R211 photos from MTA Flickr, posted by GojiMet86 on Thu Jul 1 14:59:43 2021. 🤢 |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Jul 3 07:28:18 2021, in response to Re: R211 photos from MTA Flickr, posted by Catfish 44 on Fri Jul 2 21:24:55 2021. More like rolling computers. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Sat Jul 3 07:30:27 2021, in response to Re: R211 photos from MTA Flickr, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Jul 1 21:04:55 2021. R-10s they are not.:(Of course, the R-211's are not. But these are... R-10 #3043, Rockaway Park-Beach 116th Street, IND Rockaway Line; July 3, 1989; Photos by William A. Padron, Collection of David Pirnann   Seating on an R-10: 56. Side door width: 50" -William A. Padron ["Rockaway Park, Queens"] |
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Posted by Mack C-49 on Sat Jul 3 10:02:27 2021, in response to R211 photos from MTA Flickr, posted by GojiMet86 on Thu Jul 1 14:59:43 2021. Well, they are new and shiny, but what brutal design!Oversize doors may make getting on and off slightly quicker, but what about the quality of the time spent riding? Reduce all longitudinal seating and smaller windows surely also reduce the quality of the riding experience. The colors would not be my choice, but I'm willing to concede that to a matter of taste. What are they going for here? Can efficiency not be achieved without sacrificing aesthetics? It's a shame that rolling stock as comparatively elegant as the R-46 will be replaced by these high-tech but ugly cars. |
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Posted by Mack C-49 on Sat Jul 3 10:06:57 2021, in response to R211 photos from MTA Flickr, posted by GojiMet86 on Thu Jul 1 14:59:43 2021. Well, they are new and shiny, but what brutal design!Oversize doors may make getting on and off slightly quicker, but what about the quality of the time spent riding? Reduce all longitudinal seating and smaller windows surely also reduce the quality of the riding experience. The colors would not be my choice, but I'm willing to concede that to a matter of taste. What are they going for here? Can efficiency not be achieved without sacrificing aesthetics? It's a shame that rolling stock as comparatively elegant as the R-46 will be replaced by these high-tech but ugly cars. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jul 3 10:23:52 2021, in response to Re: R211 photos from MTA Flickr, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 3 01:26:07 2021. I have to agree. I thought that they had hit bottom with the R-62/R-68 tuna can interiors. Fact is that the public will still jam into and out of the cars, regardless of the interior, disappointed to find less seats, of course. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Jul 3 10:57:44 2021, in response to Re: R211 photos from MTA Flickr, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Jul 2 19:54:34 2021. I'd heard the yellow is better for visually impaired people but it's definitely in your face. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Jul 3 11:07:25 2021, in response to Re: R211 photos from MTA Flickr, posted by Joe V on Sat Jul 3 07:28:18 2021. A technological wonder rolling skid row. Those pristine cars will be covered in every bodily fluid know to man within a month. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Jul 3 11:34:44 2021, in response to Re: R211 photos from MTA Flickr, posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Jul 3 11:07:25 2021. Shit will show up on thsoe yellow seats. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 3 20:12:14 2021, in response to Re: R211 photos from MTA Flickr, posted by Joe V on Fri Jul 2 15:11:26 2021. They have been able to leave one door leaf open per car for many years. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jul 3 20:49:50 2021, in response to Re: R211 photos from MTA Flickr, posted by Train Dude on Sat Jul 3 10:23:52 2021. A good thing they have arrows telling you to go one of three ways.... Might be too dumb not to be able to figure that out for oneself |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 3 21:25:13 2021, in response to Re: R211 photos from MTA Flickr, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 3 02:43:43 2021. It doesn’t look European at all. |
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Posted by jabrams on Sat Jul 3 22:45:47 2021, in response to Re: R211 photos from MTA Flickr, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 3 01:26:07 2021. I wonder how long it will take the yellow to start turning darker due to dirt and grime? |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sun Jul 4 00:51:33 2021, in response to R211 photos from MTA Flickr, posted by GojiMet86 on Thu Jul 1 14:59:43 2021. I actually like the interior in terms of appearance. However, I do NOT like the larger doors thus reduced seating. I HATE standing on the subway and riding these cars getting a seat is less likely.I just hope they are fast and have good A/C like the current crop of NTT already in service. It's a long shot but I hope the MTA gets enough backlash for the reduced seating that they go back to the R160 door size for the R68s replacement cars, but that's unlikely. |
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Posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Sun Jul 4 01:05:18 2021, in response to Re: R211 photos from MTA Flickr, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sun Jul 4 00:51:33 2021. The A/C is going to have a hell of a time keeping the R211s cool, what with their wider doors. And keeping the heat in during the winter is also going to be a challenge. Wouldn't want to ride those on the Culver in January. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Jul 4 06:44:00 2021, in response to Re: R211 photos from MTA Flickr, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 3 20:12:14 2021. Can they do that with NTT trains ? |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Jul 4 07:15:06 2021, in response to Re: R211 photos from MTA Flickr, posted by jabrams on Sat Jul 3 22:45:47 2021. The stainless poles held up amazingly well, even in the horror of the 70s.The yellow looks bad now, imagine after a year or two |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jul 4 12:46:19 2021, in response to Re: R211 photos from MTA Flickr, posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Sun Jul 4 01:05:18 2021. Culver?What about the Rockaway Line since they will likely be assigned to the A line to support upcoming CBTC? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jul 4 12:48:47 2021, in response to Re: R211 photos from MTA Flickr, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sun Jul 4 00:51:33 2021. If they take all the option orders, these should be the eventual replacements, over time, for the R68/68A.....unless they design something different. |
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Posted by K. Trout on Sun Jul 4 12:53:47 2021, in response to Re: R211 photos from MTA Flickr, posted by Joe V on Sun Jul 4 06:44:00 2021. Yes. I often see that at Stillwell. One leaf open until 1-3 minutes before departure. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jul 4 12:53:58 2021, in response to Re: R211 photos from MTA Flickr, posted by Joe V on Sun Jul 4 06:44:00 2021. Yes. Even better with these in that one door per car can be left open with the push of a button from the c/r position.On old techs, this is done manually in each car. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Jul 4 23:29:00 2021, in response to Re: R211 photos from MTA Flickr, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jul 4 12:53:58 2021. Thanks, Bill. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Jul 6 19:44:06 2021, in response to Re: R211 photos from MTA Flickr, posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Sun Jul 4 01:05:18 2021. What's different about the F line exterior stations as opposed to the other els? |
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Posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Wed Jul 7 00:56:28 2021, in response to Re: R211 photos from MTA Flickr, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Jul 6 19:44:06 2021. High, high elevation above adjacent buildings--greater exposure to the elements--many outside stops, and long, long journey |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Wed Jul 7 08:39:32 2021, in response to Re: R211 photos from MTA Flickr, posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Wed Jul 7 00:56:28 2021. I am constantly kicking myself for not taking a pic of lower Manhattan (specifically the Twin Towers) from Smith-9th St before I left NYC in August 1976. There are quite a few pics of such on nycsubway.org. If/when I ever do get back to NYC, that will be corrected, no doubt. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Jul 7 09:25:46 2021, in response to Re: R211 photos from MTA Flickr, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sun Jul 4 00:51:33 2021. At least front destination signs are coming back. They never should have done away with them in the first place. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Jul 7 13:25:23 2021, in response to Re: R211 photos from MTA Flickr, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Jul 7 09:25:46 2021. Agree. |
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Posted by rbseabeach on Wed Jul 7 13:55:07 2021, in response to Re: R211 photos from MTA Flickr, posted by Train Dude on Fri Jul 2 17:00:16 2021. I was wondering about the probable unfortunate vandalism situation especially now since it is on the rise.Are the interior like the R-142 which are prone to carving and scratching? The R-68 was a disaster with this as well. The R-160 is vulnerable to acid inside and out. Then there is the spray paint exterior issue. WIth that blue and yellow striping, how will that hold up to graffiti removal chemicals? Thank you |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Jul 7 14:19:21 2021, in response to Re: R211 photos from MTA Flickr, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Jul 7 09:25:46 2021. At least front destination signs are coming back.This will be even helpful to distinguish between the Far Rockaway and Lefferts Blvd (A) trains. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Jul 7 15:17:25 2021, in response to Re: R211 photos from MTA Flickr, posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Jul 7 14:19:21 2021. A 50 + year mistake finally rectified. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Jul 7 15:36:00 2021, in response to Re: R211 photos from MTA Flickr, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Jul 7 15:17:25 2021. But it took LED technology to do it. It's beneath them to use mylar. |
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Posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Thu Jul 8 00:53:33 2021, in response to Re: R211 photos from MTA Flickr, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jul 4 12:46:19 2021. At least out there there is a longer distance between stops. On the Culver it's constant open close, open close. |
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Posted by b/p rupture on Sat Jul 10 19:51:08 2021, in response to Re: R211 photos from MTA Flickr, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 2 14:48:42 2021. The open gangway style will also be cool when that gets delivered.Goodbye isolating a car, and continuing in service. It will take too long to isolate a 5 car unit, discharging is the only option. Also you would have 1/2 the train in service, which means you have 1/2 the people on the platform rushing towards the open half. On the midnights you now have a 40 minute gap in service. ** This only applies if there is no provision for isolating individual cars in the unit, but without storms doors I cannot envision how. Remains to be seen, I may be wrong, who knows. |
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Posted by b/p rupture on Sat Jul 10 19:51:23 2021, in response to Re: R211 photos from MTA Flickr, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 2 14:48:42 2021. The open gangway style will also be cool when that gets delivered.Goodbye isolating a car, and continuing in service. It will take too long to isolate a 5 car unit, discharging is the only option. Also you would have 1/2 the train in service, which means you have 1/2 the people on the platform rushing towards the open half. On the midnights you now have a 40 minute gap in service. ** This only applies if there is no provision for isolating individual cars in the unit, but without storms doors I cannot envision how. Remains to be seen, I may be wrong, who knows. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Jul 11 07:33:15 2021, in response to open gangway prediction (was) R211 photos, posted by b/p rupture on Sat Jul 10 19:51:23 2021. I'm still not sold on the anti-open-gangway argument. The percentage of trains I see and ride that have a car isolated is so small that I'm willing to accept the loss of those trains for the sake of open-gangway. Same, by the way, goes for the odor complaint, though admittedly odors are a little more frequent. But if one asks oneself what percentage of their trips actually involve a car that is so bad that you see everyone running away from it, I still think that number is too small that it should be taken into account for design purposes. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Jul 11 19:26:07 2021, in response to Re: open gangway prediction (was) R211 photos, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Jul 11 07:33:15 2021. I think NTT cars should have been married pairs like Chicago's version of the NTT. Then they could have open gangway for each 2 car set. But they designed a car around their vendor's computer constraints, not the passenger. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jul 11 21:27:51 2021, in response to Re: open gangway prediction (was) R211 photos, posted by Joe V on Sun Jul 11 19:26:07 2021. Two car open gangway is useless. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Jul 12 00:22:06 2021, in response to Re: R211 photos from MTA Flickr, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Wed Jul 7 08:39:32 2021. I saw the last of the Twin Towers 2 weeks before they were bombed.I saw them from the New Jersey shore on a fan trip on the HBLR. Little did I know, what would happen after that........911.... |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Jul 12 07:04:56 2021, in response to Re: open gangway prediction (was) R211 photos, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jul 11 21:27:51 2021. Not entirely. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jul 12 21:38:42 2021, in response to open gangway prediction (was) R211 photos, posted by b/p rupture on Sat Jul 10 19:51:08 2021. If the MTA management had any sense (?) they would retain at least one end door in the cars at the entrance to the gangway so that if necessary, an individual car can be isolated. For those of you who remember, the C types while they had open gangways between the sections, also had sliding bulkhead door at the end of each section. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jul 12 21:39:40 2021, in response to open gangway prediction (was) R211 photos, posted by b/p rupture on Sat Jul 10 19:51:23 2021. See my post on the C types. |
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