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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Wed Jun 16 19:47:37 2021, in response to Spectrum News does story on R32 subway cars, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Wed Jun 16 19:40:16 2021. BTW the R32s haven't ran in passenger service since the fall of 2020. Surprised the shop forces at 207th street seem to like the R32s, I thought maintaining a fleet of 55+ year old cars would be a headache, guess not.If they don't return the service when the C line headways are increased I think 32s are done, barring another massive R179 failure. |
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Posted by Ble-nimx on Wed Jun 16 21:36:34 2021, in response to Re: Spectrum News does story on R32 subway cars, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Wed Jun 16 19:47:37 2021. Most of the shop forces weren't around before they were overhauled and were real headaches. The shop guy quoted thought they were the first cars with air conditioning |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jun 16 21:50:30 2021, in response to Spectrum News does story on R32 subway cars, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Wed Jun 16 19:40:16 2021. The story mentions that the R-32 appeared in "The French Connection".What other high profile roles has the R-32 had? Ghost Welcome Back Kotter(intro/outro) Must have had some other roles. |
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Posted by Subfan on Thu Jun 17 00:57:00 2021, in response to Re: Spectrum News does story on R32 subway cars, posted by Ble-nimx on Wed Jun 16 21:36:34 2021. Well, they are the oldest B-division trains ever equipped wit A/C - even if they did only get it after GOH.subfan |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Thu Jun 17 04:37:30 2021, in response to Re: Spectrum News does story on R32 subway cars, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Wed Jun 16 19:47:37 2021. One of the most recent photos of them in storage, with at least four trains of them in view. Some of them are signed for "B" service though.R-32's at Concourse Yard, Sunday, June 6, 2021; Photo by Nicholas Noel.  -William A. Padron ["Concourse-Bedford Pk"] |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jun 17 07:38:44 2021, in response to Re: Spectrum News does story on R32 subway cars, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Wed Jun 16 19:47:37 2021. They are mechanically simple, no computers. A mechanics car. |
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Posted by Q65A on Thu Jun 17 08:39:33 2021, in response to Re: Spectrum News does story on R32 subway cars, posted by Joe V on Thu Jun 17 07:38:44 2021. Nice tribute to a class of old warriors.I suppose when they first broke in they were like NTTs compared to the R1-9s, Standards and Triplexes. |
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Posted by jasonnyc on Thu Jun 17 08:40:35 2021, in response to Re: Spectrum News does story on R32 subway cars, posted by Joe V on Thu Jun 17 07:38:44 2021. Yeah I was going to say the same. I had a car from the 90s and in the late 2000s, the mechanics would always say my car was an easy fix because it didn't have all of the computerized and specialized parts. And it was cheaper to fix too. |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Thu Jun 17 10:41:25 2021, in response to Spectrum News does story on R32 subway cars, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Wed Jun 16 19:40:16 2021. If the city was smart, the R32s would get their own line, designed primarily for tourists. Refresh the best 1/2 of the remaining cars, use part time —-> 50 more years.The R32 meta-line would not run during rush hours, only tourist hours. Give those characters a name and a role. Nickname them “The Indestrucibles” (forgetting GOH and rebuilds) and note that everything from the stainless steel to the seats was Made In USA. I’ll bet some of our local hollywood talent would make a catchy video for $0 and their name at the end. In-car visuals would be vintage ads on some trains, movie-themed on others, photo history of building the cars themselves. Stops which had prominent movie placement would be announced, but on the R32 trains only. Also, restore the field shunt. These trains aren’t the best for regular service, they are the best for character. They’re also entirely designed and built in USA. If we ever have an EMP, whether natural (Carrington Event) or non-natural, the R32s will be the only operable trains. There are still people who want to be proud of their country here, here’s something real to be proud about. It’s also a quiet rebuke to the “make the country borrow and print air money, give it to China to build our stuff, then lay around and smoke dope” mindset. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jun 17 11:25:07 2021, in response to Re: Spectrum News does story on R32 subway cars, posted by jasonnyc on Thu Jun 17 08:40:35 2021. My 1992 Plymouth with 193K miles still runs fine, easy to maintain, gets everything maintained when it should be, and it is not made of plastic. I don't have to get it inspected anymore either since the inspection computers don't know what to do with it. |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Thu Jun 17 12:41:19 2021, in response to Re: Spectrum News does story on R32 subway cars, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jun 16 21:50:30 2021. Joker, one of the Men in Black sequels. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu Jun 17 12:47:08 2021, in response to Re: Spectrum News does story on R32 subway cars, posted by William A. Padron on Thu Jun 17 04:37:30 2021. Amazing that they outlived the 4 car classes that came after them: R-38, R-40*, R-42 and R-44.*-for the purposes of this discussion, I am listing Slants and Modifieds together. They probably won't outlive the R-46, but still quite a run. Meanwhile, Miami is about to retire their original 1980s Budd cars (a little irony there) with less than 40 years of service. And LACMTA will soon retire their original A650 cars (built 1991-1993) that run on the |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jun 17 12:55:57 2021, in response to Re: Spectrum News does story on R32 subway cars, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu Jun 17 12:47:08 2021. LIRR has beasically retired the M-3s at 35 years of age, as they did the M-1. |
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Posted by murray1575 on Thu Jun 17 14:50:03 2021, in response to Re: Spectrum News does story on R32 subway cars, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu Jun 17 12:47:08 2021. I've said this several times previously but Budd was the best at building stainless steel car bodies. They began building stainless steel cars in the 1930s and patented the special welding process used for welding stainless steel parts together. The plant on Red Lion Road in Philadelphia where the R32 cars were built no longer exists having been demolished years ago. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Jun 17 14:54:56 2021, in response to Re: Spectrum News does story on R32 subway cars, posted by murray1575 on Thu Jun 17 14:50:03 2021. I had the pleasure of visiting the Budd Red Lion plant. I worked for the Budd Co. Trailer Division in Eagle, Pa.and we got a free tour.This was in the 1970's, IIRC. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Jun 17 19:55:13 2021, in response to Re: Spectrum News does story on R32 subway cars, posted by Steamdriven on Thu Jun 17 10:41:25 2021. We definitely don't need someone else to build our stuff,as long as we have the manpower,Skill,and elbow grease to get it done.What we need is the Willingness to take the steps. |
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Posted by R46 5636 on Fri Jun 18 13:00:49 2021, in response to Re: Spectrum News does story on R32 subway cars, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu Jun 17 12:47:08 2021. The Miami Dade Budd cars have not run in regular passenger service since July of 2020 so they've been OOS for almost a year now. They did make one spontaneous run in late October. Their final days in service were on weekends in March to June of last year (2020) where many new Hitachi sets would be out of service for inspection and upgrades while they ran Budd sets in place.There are still a few cars on property that are operable but every single different one is OOS for one issue or another that they'd have to fix before returning them to service if they need be which more than likely won't happen again as the new Hitachi cars are serving well; they just have their own slew of door and software issues. For starters, the ATO system the Budds ran on is completely different than the CBTC like system the Hitachis use. The new system isn't 100% online yet so there's still teething issues with the Hitachis including signs that won't program or having to move the train a few inches or reset / dump the train because the doors won't open thinking it's not aligned on the platform properly while it most certainly is considering most stations are for 6-car trains and they only run 4-car sets for now. On May 15, for some weird reason two 4-car Budd sets were sent all the way down the line to the Dadeland South tail tracks and are likely still there if anyone wants to see them or get pics. Look from the south end of the Dadeland S station or walk along the Busway for the first block and they're parked there, compressors on and everything. The cars are: 175-176+174-173 & 110-109+161-162 . They're probably there for storage and they're still marked OOS from passenger use for different issues. Okay, one set is still technically in service but NOT for passengers: track and guideway now uses four cars for rail inspection purposes similar to the tech the track geometry cars NYC uses. HOWEVER that set is also OOS now for serviceable issues and they've been borrowing a Hitachi set for that job since last December. One could find a Budd set moving very slowly down the line and back up in the middle of the night once in a while but that was their last hurrah. They're pretty much done for and won't ever see passenger service again unless something drastic were to happen to the Hitachis and at this point they're teethed in enough for regular full service, although TECHNICALLY the official reason states the Budds won't be 100% removed off property until the Hitachis can preform as expected, glitch free and all issues resolved with the CBTC system 100% up and running. Baltimore's Budd cars are still 100% in regular service, however were rebuilt by Alstom in 2005 and run very smooth and clean. They will be replaced by their own order of Hitachis soon by next year. The Budds of Miami were never rebuilt their entire life and featured original Budd components. Screechy, scratched up and daunting. Those trains were intense yet sleek, almost like a Floridian R32. Will definitely miss them despite only getting their last days in June of 2020. I have hours of footage that will soon be compiled and posted on YouTube for their last days in June 2020 as well as them sitting by the Busway (they're probably still there as of today June 18 2021 so if you're in Miami get some pics :D ) |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Jun 18 13:21:01 2021, in response to Re: MIAMI BUDDS RETIRED (Kind of); Spectrum News does story on R32 subway cars, posted by R46 5636 on Fri Jun 18 13:00:49 2021. I hope at least a couple Miami and Baltimore cars will be saved for mueums. They, the R32s and the PATCO cars are the last of Budds proud heritage. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Jun 18 13:23:02 2021, in response to Re: MIAMI BUDDS RETIRED (Kind of); Spectrum News does story on R32 subway cars, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Jun 18 13:21:01 2021. And the M-3A's. |
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Posted by DutchRailnut on Fri Jun 18 14:06:08 2021, in response to Re: MIAMI BUDDS RETIRED (Kind of); Spectrum News does story on R32 subway cars, posted by Joe V on Fri Jun 18 13:23:02 2021. here is entire Budd roster .http://www.trainweb.org/phillynrhs/BuddCarOrders.html |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Jun 18 14:09:07 2021, in response to Re: MIAMI BUDDS RETIRED (Kind of); Spectrum News does story on R32 subway cars, posted by DutchRailnut on Fri Jun 18 14:06:08 2021. The CTA 2600's were the last ones to roll out. |
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Posted by DutchRailnut on Fri Jun 18 14:20:38 2021, in response to Re: MIAMI BUDDS RETIRED (Kind of); Spectrum News does story on R32 subway cars, posted by Joe V on Fri Jun 18 14:09:07 2021. at that time it was no longer Budd but Transit America |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Jun 19 02:46:03 2021, in response to Re: Spectrum News does story on R32 subway cars, posted by Q65A on Thu Jun 17 08:39:33 2021. Not really, since they were using proven technology that had been on the NYCTS since the R-10s in 1948. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Jun 19 11:08:51 2021, in response to Re: Spectrum News does story on R32 subway cars, posted by Joe V on Thu Jun 17 11:25:07 2021. My '88 Jeep Cherokee still gets me around with over 1,050,000 miles on it. Colorado did away with safety inspections in 1982, but in place of that, we have emissions testing along the Front Range. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Jun 19 11:10:40 2021, in response to Re: Spectrum News does story on R32 subway cars, posted by murray1575 on Thu Jun 17 14:50:03 2021. Budd really outdid themselves with the R-32s. They were truly a superior product. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Sat Jun 19 13:51:00 2021, in response to Re: MIAMI BUDDS RETIRED (Kind of); Spectrum News does story on R32 subway cars, posted by R46 5636 on Fri Jun 18 13:00:49 2021. If I win the lotto I'd buy he working sets!As I searched for these photos I came across many photos of the Miami Dade area. It is no wonder why so many local Nyers are relocating in that direction!   
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Posted by Q65A on Sat Jun 19 19:35:36 2021, in response to Re: Spectrum News does story on R32 subway cars, posted by randyo on Sat Jun 19 02:46:03 2021. That is true; they probably just looked more modern to the straphangers than they really were. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Jun 20 02:53:34 2021, in response to Re: Spectrum News does story on R32 subway cars, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Jun 19 11:10:40 2021. I agree. It’s too bad the R-38s couldn’t have been built by Budd and possibly even the 40s and 42s. The timing was a bit off at the time because given the right circumstances, the R-36s could have been built by Budd and that would have made quite a fleet for the 1964 World’s Fair. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sun Jun 20 11:25:47 2021, in response to Re: Spectrum News does story on R32 subway cars, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Jun 19 11:10:40 2021. It's just odd though, that didn't go with stainless steel for the IRT cars until the '80s, or that they never did another subway order with Budd. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sun Jun 20 11:27:47 2021, in response to Re: Spectrum News does story on R32 subway cars, posted by Joe V on Thu Jun 17 12:55:57 2021. I heard the M-1s didn't start off that well. They didn't seem to ever have gotten the reputation the R-32s had. |
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Posted by R46 5636 on Sun Jun 20 12:49:02 2021, in response to Re: MIAMI BUDDS RETIRED (Kind of); Spectrum News does story on R32 subway cars, posted by Avid Reader on Sat Jun 19 13:51:00 2021. Great pictures especially the last photo! I always appreciate seeing those Miami Budds in their original livery. (Yes I clearly see the respective photo copyrights).I hope a few of these cars are preserved somehow. I did hear of four cars possibly being sent to a railroad museum somewhere in Florida but I'm not sure of the details and it seems there's no moves being made to make that happen so far. Presumably the biggest issue with keeping the Miami Budd cars in service is the fact that parts for these trains haven't been manufactured in many years and basically up until the end some sets were being cannibalized just to keep the others running. Had parts for these trains been continuously readily available there's a chance they may have been rebuilt and still be in service today. The Hitachi order was basically a decision made because it would have cost more to retrofit and rebuilt the Budd cars rather than just order new trains, which they did and we have today. There were several plans over the years to retrofit and upgrade the cars, each time plans falling through. The most notable was a planned slanted front retrofit inspired by the R40 Slant design. There was an order of Budd cars built for another country that had a slanted front end and presumably it would have looked similar to that. This was planned in the 90's and of course it was one of several that never happened and throughout their entire life they never received a general overhaul. The only things that have changed on those trains since day one is the livery on the outside and door chime, that's about it. I hope MDT sees enough value to run a Legacy train retirement ceremony one day, similar to what PATCO did on 6/10/18 for the final run of their unrebuilt Budds & Vickers before retrofit. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Sun Jun 20 13:45:53 2021, in response to Re: MIAMI BUDDS RETIRED (Kind of); Spectrum News does story on R32 subway cars, posted by Avid Reader on Sat Jun 19 13:51:00 2021. The Budd Universal Transit Vehicle is an electric multiple unit heavy rail car built for use on the Baltimore Metro SubwayLink and Miami-Dade Metrorail systems. They were built by the Budd Company (under the name Transit America) from 1983 to 1986, and were the last cars ever built by Budd before the company shuttered its railcar manufacturing business.The Universal Transit Vehicle was manufactured by the Budd Company at their Red Lion plant in Northeast Philadelphia. The appearance of cars on the SubwayLink are identical to those on the Metrorail (and vice versa), as the two agencies built their systems at the same time and saved money by sharing a single order.[1] Trains draw power from the electric third rail. The cars are 75 feet (22.86 m) long, 10 feet (3.05 m) wide, and have a top speed of 70 mph (110 km/h). Each car can hold up to 166 passengers (76 seated, 90 standing). Cars are semi-permanently attached in married pairs, and are arranged as 4-car trains on the Metrorail. The trains on the SubwayLink are arranged as 2-, 4- and 6-car consists. The SubwayLink fleet had a significant overhaul between 2002 and 2005. Seats were reupholstered, and the floors were replaced. External destination rollsigns were replaced with LED displays; internal systems that display train destinations and upcoming stop announcements were also installed.[citation needed] There was a planned refurbishment for the cars on the Metrorail,[2] but it was later to decided to purchase new cars after it was found that the fleet was never maintained properly.[3] Replacement Because of the improper maintenance of the Metrorail cars, Miami-Dade announced a $313 million purchase of 136 new Metrorail cars from Hitachi Rail Italy (formerly AnsaldoBreda) in November 2012.[4][5] The first new trainset entered service in early December 2017.[6] In July 2017, the Maryland Transit Administration announced the purchase of 78 new railcars from Hitachi Rail Italy to replace the entire SubwayLink fleet. The cars will be similar in appearance to those purchased for the Miami Metrorail.[7] 
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Jun 20 13:51:36 2021, in response to Re: MIAMI BUDDS RETIRED (Kind of); Spectrum News does story on R32 subway cars, posted by Avid Reader on Sat Jun 19 13:51:00 2021. The would be nice cars for Staten Island. They are not going to like the glorifed bowling lanes they are going to get. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Sun Jun 20 14:04:43 2021, in response to Re: MIAMI BUDDS RETIRED (Kind of); Spectrum News does story on R32 subway cars, posted by Avid Reader on Sat Jun 19 13:51:00 2021. The Budd Universal Transit Vehicle is an electric multiple unit heavy rail car built for use on the Baltimore Metro SubwayLink and Miami-Dade Metrorail systems. They were built by the Budd Company (under the name Transit America) from 1983 to 1986, and were the last cars ever built by Budd before the company shuttered its railcar manufacturing business.The Universal Transit Vehicle was manufactured by the Budd Company at their Red Lion plant in Northeast Philadelphia. The appearance of cars on the SubwayLink are identical to those on the Metrorail (and vice versa), as the two agencies built their systems at the same time and saved money by sharing a single order.[1] Trains draw power from the electric third rail. The cars are 75 feet (22.86 m) long, 10 feet (3.05 m) wide, and have a top speed of 70 mph (110 km/h). Each car can hold up to 166 passengers (76 seated, 90 standing). Cars are semi-permanently attached in married pairs, and are arranged as 4-car trains on the Metrorail. The trains on the SubwayLink are arranged as 2-, 4- and 6-car consists. The SubwayLink fleet had a significant overhaul between 2002 and 2005. Seats were reupholstered, and the floors were replaced. External destination rollsigns were replaced with LED displays; internal systems that display train destinations and upcoming stop announcements were also installed.[citation needed] There was a planned refurbishment for the cars on the Metrorail,[2] but it was later to decided to purchase new cars after it was found that the fleet was never maintained properly.[3] Replacement Because of the improper maintenance of the Metrorail cars, Miami-Dade announced a $313 million purchase of 136 new Metrorail cars from Hitachi Rail Italy (formerly AnsaldoBreda) in November 2012.[4][5] The first new trainset entered service in early December 2017.[6] My wishful thinking is, with all of these identical trains being put out to pasture, one would think GOH could be performed by selecting the best units and having the remaining units become "Donors" and used for the "Jamaica- Brooklyn Atlantic Terminal" or used as a flying back-up for MetroNorth or LIRR, or S,I.R.T but for the 750 DC Voltage. Come on man, They're BUDDS! In July 2017, the Maryland Transit Administration announced the purchase of 78 new railcars from Hitachi Rail Italy to replace the entire SubwayLink fleet. The cars will be similar in appearance to those purchased for the Miami Metrorail.[7] Universal Transit Vehicle as seen on the Baltimore Metro SubwayLink In service 1983–present (Metro SubwayLink) 1983–2020 (Metrorail) Manufacturer Budd Company Constructed 1982–1986 Entered service 1983–1987 Scrapped 2018– Number built 236 Number in service 50 Number scrapped 136 Formation 2 cars per trainset (married pair) Capacity 332 passengers per pair (166 per car) (664 passengers per 4-car train; 996 per 6-car train) Operator(s) Maryland Transit Administration (1983–present) Miami-Dade Transit (1983–2020) Line(s) served Baltimore Metro SubwayLink (1983–present) Green Line/Orange Line (1983–2020) Specifications Car body construction Stainless steel Train length 150 ft (46 m) (single pair) 300 ft (91 m) (4-car train) Car length 75 ft (23 m) Width 10 ft (3.0 m) Height 12 ft (3.7 m) Doors 3 pairs per side Maximum speed 75 mph (120 km/h) (design) 65 mph (105 km/h) (service) Electric system(s) 750 V DC Current collection method Third rail Track gauge 1,435 mm (4 ft 8+1⁄2 in) |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Jun 20 14:13:28 2021, in response to Re: MIAMI BUDDS RETIRED (Kind of); Spectrum News does story on R32 subway cars, posted by Avid Reader on Sun Jun 20 14:04:43 2021. Atlanta & LA got a different car ? |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Jun 20 14:46:02 2021, in response to Re: Spectrum News does story on R32 subway cars, posted by 3-9 on Sun Jun 20 11:25:47 2021. The IRT didn’t receive new car from 1964-83 |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Jun 20 15:16:42 2021, in response to Re: MIAMI BUDDS RETIRED (Kind of); Spectrum News does story on R32 subway cars, posted by DutchRailnut on Fri Jun 18 14:06:08 2021. Linked Budd Car orders |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Jun 20 15:34:02 2021, in response to Re: Spectrum News does story on R32 subway cars, posted by 3-9 on Sun Jun 20 11:27:47 2021. An R32 was a glorified R10. An M-1 was a new invention, not a suped up MP72. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Jun 20 15:43:23 2021, in response to Re: Spectrum News does story on R32 subway cars, posted by 3-9 on Sun Jun 20 11:27:47 2021. They didn't, on the LIRR anyway. I remember those days well. They had serious growing pains accompanied by shop forces that were unacquainted with the new animal.This resulted in many overtired MP-54s getting a stay of execution, being held together with the equivalent of duct tape & chicken wire. The resulting near chaos in the scheduling resulted in dozens of train annulments when the MP54s could answer the bell & thousands of late commuters. On all news WINS & WCBS, they would have news, weather, sports & LIRR train cancellations all together in their daily broadcasts |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Jun 20 16:08:23 2021, in response to Re: Spectrum News does story on R32 subway cars, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Jun 20 15:43:23 2021. MP54's were built 1908 -1930. 2/3rds of them got a rebuild in the late 1950's mainly the ones from 1923 and up. So there were good ones and bad ones. But Ronan walked in one day in 1967 and ordered rare spare parts store rooms to scrap their inventiory. That is what caused the fleet to fall apart. The 4100 and 4900's of 1930 probably should have been cherry-picked and sent to Staten Island in 1971. There was also ongoing labor strife going on in the shops in 1969.I remember one sumemr Sunday, out wth my family, there were so disgusted with the M-1's, of which there were about 100 at the time, almost everything running was an MP54, and eveything ran fine, except we sat outside Jamaica for a while as an M-1 had broken down. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Jun 20 16:29:27 2021, in response to Re: Spectrum News does story on R32 subway cars, posted by Joe V on Sun Jun 20 16:08:23 2021. I forget the year, but 710-WOR used to announce, the such and such time?, Babylon to Brooklyn train not running today. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Jun 20 16:34:57 2021, in response to Re: Spectrum News does story on R32 subway cars, posted by Joe V on Sun Jun 20 16:08:23 2021. "But Ronan walked in one day in 1967 and ordered rare spare parts store rooms to scrap their inventiory."Yep. I remember that too. All done, no doubt in anticipation of the M1 arrivals. A serious error in judgement on his part. He should have had his feet held to the fire for that one. The other complication was Rockefeller promising to make the LIRR the "finest commuter railroad in the country". When the laughing stopped , may thought that he lost his mind. This extra pressure no doubt was felt by Ronan & his crew with the resulting flow of bad decisions. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Jun 20 16:37:19 2021, in response to Re: Spectrum News does story on R32 subway cars, posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Jun 20 16:29:27 2021. Marty Wayne on WNYC was good at that too. I think it was the 7:57 Babylon to Brooklyn that didn't run for a yar, then had press people on baord when the day it did return (with MP54's). |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Jun 20 16:42:42 2021, in response to Re: Spectrum News does story on R32 subway cars, posted by Joe V on Sun Jun 20 16:37:19 2021. Oh, thank you. I use to listen to John Gambling and Peter Roberts in the morning. WOR had strong signal, I got it in Philadelphia, Pa. John would say something to Peter after the news and Peter would crack up laughing, "Ah, ah, ah, oh my... Ah, ah ah, oh dear!" |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Jun 20 16:47:53 2021, in response to Re: Spectrum News does story on R32 subway cars, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Jun 20 16:34:57 2021. The last 120 of the 620 M-1 were to convert the 44 T72 trailers to push-pull, scrap the 23 year old 62 double deckers, and scrap the 19 year old 20 MP70 "Wyer" cars that had an availability ratio of 97%.Then in 1972 he ordered another 150 M-1's from Vickers and GE to replace all remaining MP72 and MP75, which ran fine, and whose conversion to push-pull took until 1979. He never learned anything from anything. But 1,000 Arinine junk had to keep running until 1976. I have vague memories of around 1963 of a bunch of Pennsy MP54's parked near the mail siding west of Jamaica. Perhaps they had some spare parts LIRRR's own MP54's and P54's needed, but I can't imagine what except maybe resistior grids, brake compressors, trucks, or cab contol parts. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Jun 20 16:51:05 2021, in response to Re: Spectrum News does story on R32 subway cars, posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Jun 20 16:42:42 2021. My father loved John Gambling. I couldn't stand his show. Harry Hennesey did the "news" at 7am for minutes, which was mostly commercials, sports, and weather. My father brought his transistor radio to the bathroom, then in the kicthen I tuned to WNYC. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Jun 20 17:04:41 2021, in response to Re: Spectrum News does story on R32 subway cars, posted by Joe V on Sun Jun 20 16:51:05 2021. Thank you! |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Jun 20 17:29:43 2021, in response to Re: Spectrum News does story on R32 subway cars, posted by Joe V on Sun Jun 20 16:37:19 2021. I seem to recall the daily 7:55 out of Babylon came to be known as The Phantom Train because it was canceled almost every day. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Jun 20 17:45:33 2021, in response to Re: Spectrum News does story on R32 subway cars, posted by Joe V on Sun Jun 20 16:47:53 2021. "But 1,000 Arinine junk had to keep running until 1976."Simple. Suburban commuters, all those rich white flighters had the $$$ & political clout. City folks didn't. That may explain why the R1-9s were replaced in dribs & drabs from 1968-77. But in defense of the TA, lets not forget the numbers. 1700 R-19s v/s 600-700 M-1s. Easier to replace @700 cars (LIRR pre M1 fleet) v/s 1700 R-1-9s which required several contracts from several builders over the years. |
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