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SubChat Trivia Questions

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Mar 16 14:48:40 2021

Answers will be posted tomorrow

1) What was the last IRT line to exclusively use equipment that had the Conductor standing between cars?

2) What was the last BMT line to exclusively use equipment that had the Conductor standing between cars?

3) What was the last IND line to exclusively use equipment that had the Conductor standing between cars?





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Re: SubChat Trivia Questions

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Mar 16 14:54:54 2021, in response to SubChat Trivia Questions, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Mar 16 14:48:40 2021.

Ok, Here goes the guesses:

1) Flushing line (R-12/14s)

2) Myrtle (Q's)

3) Concourse (R-1/9)

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Re: SubChat Trivia Questions

Posted by Q4 on Tue Mar 16 15:09:07 2021, in response to Re: SubChat Trivia Questions, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Mar 16 14:54:54 2021.

1) No. 8 (S), 3rd Ave. EL Shuttle

2) MJ, Myrtle Avenue Line

3) C, Fulton Street/Concourse Line

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Re: SubChat Trivia Questions

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 16 15:09:42 2021, in response to Re: SubChat Trivia Questions, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Mar 16 14:54:54 2021.

Is 2 really correct? They used R-9s extensively on the BMT after 1969.

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Re: SubChat Trivia Questions

Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue Mar 16 15:42:19 2021, in response to Re: SubChat Trivia Questions, posted by Q4 on Tue Mar 16 15:09:07 2021.

1) No. 8 (S), 3rd Ave. EL Shuttle Correct (ended 1973)

2) MJ, Myrtle Avenue Line Also correct (at first I was thinking that the Eastern Division used Arnines until early 1977, but all of those lines (QJ/J, LL and M) mixed in R27/30s and/or R-42s)

3) C, Fulton Street/Concourse Line Weren't some R-10s mixed in near the end of the Arnine era on that line?



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Re: SubChat Trivia Questions

Posted by randyo on Tue Mar 16 16:36:46 2021, in response to Re: SubChat Trivia Questions, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue Mar 16 15:42:19 2021.

Actually even Myrtle isn’t entirely correct since at night and on weekends when a single Q unit was operated, C/Rs operated from inside the rear car so if you are going the negate the J. LL and M because they used mixed equipment, then the Myrtle el (MJ) has to be negated as well.

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Re: SubChat Trivia Questions

Posted by William A. Padron on Tue Mar 16 16:52:54 2021, in response to Re: SubChat Trivia Questions, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue Mar 16 15:42:19 2021.

3) C, Fulton Street/Concourse Line Weren't some R-10s mixed in near the end of the Arnine era on that line?

R-10's began officially appearing on the IND "CC" local as early as June 1969, with two trains assigned from Concourse Yard. The last R-6 run was on 9/22/1976 on that route between the Bronx and Euclid Avenue.

Here is an earlier photo of the R-10's on the "CC" at Hudson Terminal, from nycsubway.org...

R-10 #3087, Chambers Street-Hudson Terminal, IND 8th Avenue Line; June 17, 1969.


And the R-10's would still be seen sporadically on the "CC" at certain times during the 1970's, even sharing the trackage with the R-32's and slanted R-40's, after the R-6's had left the IND. They then became regularly assigned equipment by mid-October 1977.

R-10 #2967 [ex-#1820], 145th Street [lower level], IND 8th Avenue & Concourse Lines; October 25, 1976.


-William A. Padron
["Concourse-8th Av. Lcl."]



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Re: SubChat Trivia Questions

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 16 17:32:22 2021, in response to Re: SubChat Trivia Questions, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue Mar 16 15:42:19 2021.

Wouldn’t the inclusion of R-10s be irrelevant because they also used outside door controls?

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Re: SubChat Trivia Questions

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Mar 16 19:02:50 2021, in response to Re: SubChat Trivia Questions, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 16 15:09:42 2021.

Extensively, but not exclusively which I think the OP was looking for. On the Canarsie Line, IIRC it was pretty much a hodgepodge of equipment from the late 60s to late 70s. The R-9s ran together with the Standards as they were being fazed out. With the R-9s, they ran with the occasional R-42. Then the R-16s & 27/30 showed up sending the remaining R-9s to the torch. Point being, over the years, you never knew what the next train would be with nothing exclusive.

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Re: SubChat Trivia Questions

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Mar 16 20:55:32 2021, in response to SubChat Trivia Questions, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Mar 16 14:48:40 2021.

Bronx 3rd Ave line

Myrtle Avenue line

CC line


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Re: SubChat Trivia Questions

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Mar 16 21:06:51 2021, in response to SubChat Trivia Questions, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Mar 16 14:48:40 2021.

1. This has to be a trick question. The R-12/14s still ran in solid trains on the mainlines at first before injuries to conductors resulted in their ban from use by conductors. I'm going to say the 5.

2. Brighton express, since it was all-Triplex in the early 60s.

3. CC

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Re: SubChat Trivia Questions

Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Tue Mar 16 21:25:49 2021, in response to SubChat Trivia Questions, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Mar 16 14:48:40 2021.

Exclusively means no other car class operated on the same subway line. Therefore...

1. Bowling Green-South Ferry shuttle.

2. Franklin Ave shuttle (R11/34)

3. C/CC line until 1986.

Just my guesses.

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Re: SubChat Trivia Questions

Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue Mar 16 22:28:04 2021, in response to Re: SubChat Trivia Questions, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 16 17:32:22 2021.

D'OH! Forgot about that. Maybe an R-42 made it on the CC every once in awhile.

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Re: SubChat Trivia Questions

Posted by William A. Padron on Wed Mar 17 04:24:17 2021, in response to Re: SubChat Trivia Questions, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue Mar 16 22:28:04 2021.

Maybe an R-42 made it on the CC every once in awhile.

Yeah, they did! From nycsubway.org...

R-42 #4759, Chambers Street-Hudson Terminal, IND 8th Avenue Line; August 4, 1969.


R-42 #4665, 59th Street-Columbus Circle, IND 8th Avenue Line; August 5, 1969.


Note: R-42 car #4665 would be coupled to R-40M car #4460, after their respective mates collided with each other on the Williamsburg Bridge, June 5, 1995. That newly-mated pair ran in regular service for more years, and survives today as museum cars.

-William A. Padron
["Bedford Park Boulevard | (CC) | Hudson Terminal"]


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Re: SubChat Trivia Questions

Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Mar 17 04:42:04 2021, in response to Re: SubChat Trivia Questions, posted by William A. Padron on Wed Mar 17 04:24:17 2021.

love those photos.

The R-42 did not age well. Few miss them.

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Re: SubChat Trivia Questions

Posted by 3-9 on Wed Mar 17 07:45:30 2021, in response to Re: SubChat Trivia Questions, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Mar 17 04:42:04 2021.

I'm one of those people who miss them, and always will.

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Re: SubChat Trivia Questions

Posted by randyo on Fri Mar 19 18:56:58 2021, in response to Re: SubChat Trivia Questions, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Mar 16 21:06:51 2021.

The R-12s and 14s didn’t even run in solid trains on the mainline once the IRT Car Equipment dept decided to assign cars to barns by electrical manufacturer instead of cars type. The thing that caused the C/R injuries was the installation of the first radio antennas which were larger and heavier than the ones eventually installed on the BMT and IND cars. Even after the cars were retrofitted with the smaller antennas, the IRT supt decided to keep the restriction in place.

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Re: SubChat Trivia Questions

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Mar 19 20:12:13 2021, in response to Re: SubChat Trivia Questions, posted by randyo on Fri Mar 19 18:56:58 2021.

I was having a senior moment.:)

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