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Re: 1938 NYC BOT document showing original plan for 76th Street as Elderts Lane |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Mon Jul 6 08:57:05 2020, in response to Re: 1938 NYC BOT document showing original plan for 76th Street as Elderts Lane, posted by Joe V on Sun Jul 5 12:12:44 2020. Branford has two cars from the 1300 series, 1349 & 1362. They also have one of two of the remaining Hi-V's, Deckroof 3662. They also have the Tunnelrat. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Mon Jul 6 09:04:43 2020, in response to Re: 1938 NYC BOT document showing original plan for 76th Street as Elderts Lane, posted by Express Rider on Mon Jul 6 06:45:13 2020. When the Composites were transferred from the subway to the els they were converted from high-voltage to low voltage operation. About 424 IRT Gate Cars were converted to MUDC's. Of these 105 or so were converted to low-voltage operation. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by subfan on Mon Jul 6 09:16:06 2020, in response to Re: 1938 NYC BOT document showing original plan for 76th Street as Elderts Lane, posted by TUNNELRAT on Mon Jul 6 08:57:03 2020. Happy Birthday! But isn't there a digit missing there somewhere?Many happy returns. subfan |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Mon Jul 6 09:18:20 2020, in response to Re: 1938 NYC BOT document showing original plan for 76th Street as Elderts Lane, posted by TUNNELRAT on Mon Jul 6 08:57:03 2020. those cars were built by the stephenson car company.1349 is also at branford,its being worked on.afaik we are the only musuem with gate cars.not home right now so I can`t answer about the 5th ave EL series.lets everyone out there join in a ROUSING CHORUS of "happy birthday to tunnelrat"i,m 76 today. You were 76 last years and the year before that. Nevertheless have a good birthdays. At least two other museums have Gate Cars. 1365 is at the National Museum of Transportation in St. Louis, Missouri. IRT Gates 844 and 889 are at the Western Trolley Museum in California. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Jul 6 09:29:20 2020, in response to Re: 1938 NYC BOT document showing original plan for 76th Street as Elderts Lane, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Mon Jul 6 09:18:20 2020. The IRT gate cars in California - are those the 2nd Ave el cars than went out west for the military WWII war effort ? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Jul 6 10:23:18 2020, in response to Re: 1938 NYC BOT document showing original plan for 76th Street as Elderts Lane, posted by randyo on Sun Jul 5 23:26:17 2020. And that's okay!I still like the idea of Fulton st Subway operations along the Jamaica Elevated. Even so, the route over Fulton st can be retained as a branch line! |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Mon Jul 6 10:43:43 2020, in response to Re: 1938 NYC BOT document showing original plan for 76th Street as Elderts Lane, posted by Joe V on Mon Jul 6 09:29:20 2020. YUP |
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Posted by Q4 on Mon Jul 6 13:52:28 2020, in response to Re: 1938 NYC BOT document showing original plan for 76th Street as Elderts Lane, posted by TUNNELRAT on Mon Jul 6 08:57:03 2020. Happy Birthday TUNNELRAT. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Jul 6 14:32:40 2020, in response to Re: 1938 NYC BOT document showing original plan for 76th Street as Elderts Lane, posted by TUNNELRAT on Mon Jul 6 08:57:03 2020. Congratulations!Happy birthday,Young Man! |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Jul 6 14:41:44 2020, in response to Re: 1938 NYC BOT document showing original plan for 76th Street as Elderts Lane, posted by TUNNELRAT on Mon Jul 6 08:57:03 2020. That'll be easy for me to remember. My father would have been 99 today.His subscription to Trains magazine in the 1960's are partially responsible for getting me into this hobby, and his respect for the BMT Standards, growing up on the Myrtle Av line, and using the Rockaway Beach Branch to date my mother in Lawrence. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Jul 6 14:47:20 2020, in response to Re: 1938 NYC BOT document showing original plan for 76th Street as Elderts Lane, posted by TUNNELRAT on Mon Jul 6 08:57:03 2020. lets everyone out there join in a ROUSING CHORUS of "happy birthday to tunnelrat"i,m 76 today.Beer and kielbasa for you ! :-) 76 years of age, 76th St - coincidence ? Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jul 6 16:15:11 2020, in response to Re: 1938 NYC BOT document showing original plan for 76th Street as Elderts Lane, posted by Express Rider on Mon Jul 6 06:39:12 2020. That could very well be the case. It seems that info about various technical developments in transit are hard to come by. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jul 6 16:32:56 2020, in response to Re: 1938 NYC BOT document showing original plan for 76th Street as Elderts Lane, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Mon Jul 6 09:04:43 2020. While the Composites had completely new Lo-V controls installed when converted for subway operation, the MUDCs that were converted, retained the same control parts that were simply rewired for Lo-V operation. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jul 6 16:36:21 2020, in response to Re: 1938 NYC BOT document showing original plan for 76th Street as Elderts Lane, posted by Express Rider on Mon Jul 6 06:55:41 2020. The cars with the unique roofs were the 1000s and the were also convertible like the 1300s. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Jul 6 17:10:11 2020, in response to Re: 1938 NYC BOT document showing original plan for 76th Street as Elderts Lane, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Mon Jul 6 08:57:05 2020. I can't help but wonder if 3662 and 3352 ever ran in the same consist. IINM both the Gibbs Hi-Vs and deck roof cars were usually placed at the ends of trains. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jul 6 18:23:23 2020, in response to Re: 1938 NYC BOT document showing original plan for 76th Street as Elderts Lane, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Jul 6 17:10:11 2020. Pretty likely but since they were both battleship (manual door) cars they would have been at opposite ends of the same train. Of course in the days before a significant number of Hi-Vs were converted to MUDC it would have been possible for them to be coupled together. |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Mon Jul 6 19:00:16 2020, in response to Re: 1938 NYC BOT document showing original plan for 76th Street as Elderts Lane, posted by Joe V on Mon Jul 6 09:29:20 2020. I believe so. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jul 7 00:19:11 2020, in response to Re: 1938 NYC BOT document showing original plan for 76th Street as Elderts Lane, posted by randyo on Mon Jul 6 18:23:23 2020. I thought of other circumstances under which they might be coupled together. The Polo Grounds Shuttle, the Bwlg Green Shuttle and the Dyre shuttle. Those services operated 2 car trains and used Hi-Vs at one time another in their histories although it was rare to see a deck roofer coupled to another type of Hi-V under those circumstances. When I rode the Dyre the trains were 2 deck roofers as were trains I saw in the Bwlg Green Shuttle. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Tue Jul 7 02:26:20 2020, in response to Re: 1938 NYC BOT document showing original plan for 76th Street as Elderts Lane, posted by Joe V on Mon Jul 6 09:29:20 2020. Thanks. Didn't remember about the "2nd ave." cars out west. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Tue Jul 7 02:28:24 2020, in response to Re: 1938 NYC BOT document showing original plan for 76th Street as Elderts Lane, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Jul 6 14:47:20 2020. Happy Birthday Steve!Best, Ed |
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Posted by Express Rider on Tue Jul 7 02:36:07 2020, in response to Re: 1938 NYC BOT document showing original plan for 76th Street as Elderts Lane, posted by randyo on Mon Jul 6 16:36:21 2020. Thank you! |
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Posted by Express Rider on Tue Jul 7 02:46:40 2020, in response to Re: 1938 NYC BOT document showing original plan for 76th Street as Elderts Lane, posted by randyo on Mon Jul 6 16:15:11 2020. Maybe the only reliable source for early transit development would be pre-1920* articles in Street Railway Journal. Weren't there were one or two other magazines from that era that covered trolleys & rapid transit developments as well? I thought there were other titles but I don't remember now.*and forward to pre-1940 |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jul 7 17:26:43 2020, in response to Re: 1938 NYC BOT document showing original plan for 76th Street as Elderts Lane, posted by Express Rider on Tue Jul 7 02:46:40 2020. I expect that there were. I have a copy os a rather large tome called the “Electric Railway Dictionary” from 1912 which is basically a series of articles including photos of not only electric railway rolling stock, but various pieces of control and air brake equipment as used on the various equipments. |
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Fri Jul 10 14:29:41 2020, in response to Re: 1938 NYC BOT document showing original plan for 76th Street as Elderts Lane, posted by randyo on Thu Jul 2 15:43:27 2020. The 2nd Ave subway remnants from the '70s are inspected every 2 weeks. This was told to me during a NYTM tour of the tunnel under Confucius Plaza many years ago.The section of tunnel from Sedgwick Ave to River Ave on the former 9th Ave El / Polo Grounds Shuttle may not have ever been inspected either. Certainly not recently. It was sealed up in the early 2000s because of vagrants continuously setting fires inside those tunnels. --Mark |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Jul 10 19:08:16 2020, in response to Re: 1938 NYC BOT document showing original plan for 76th Street as Elderts Lane, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Fri Jul 10 14:29:41 2020. There would be a logical reason for the completed sections of the SAS to be inspected since it was and still is anticipated that they will eventually be completed and used for service. In the case of some of the there, it’s pretty obvious that they will definitely not be used for service and probably not even for any sort of storage. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Jul 10 22:33:57 2020, in response to Re: 1938 NYC BOT document showing original plan for 76th Street as Elderts Lane, posted by randyo on Fri Jul 10 19:08:16 2020. It's probably same to assume that the section beneath Confucius Plaza won't be used. But the segment from E. 110th to E. 120th still could be. At least they DID put the section from E.99th to E. 105th to use. |
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Posted by Bob Andersen on Sat Jul 11 07:03:13 2020, in response to Re: 1938 NYC BOT document showing original plan for 76th Street as Elderts Lane, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Fri Jul 10 14:29:41 2020. It's a good thing we had those 2 SubTalk field trips to the remnants of the Polo Grounds Shuttle in late 1999\early 2000 before they sealed it up. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Sat Jul 11 18:55:49 2020, in response to Re: 1938 NYC BOT document showing original plan for 76th Street as Elderts Lane, posted by Bob Andersen on Sat Jul 11 07:03:13 2020. Yes, I was on the first one. Very good field trip.Wouldn't these tunnels at least be inspected due to the apartment buildings built above them? |
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Posted by jailhousedoc on Sat Jul 11 19:41:20 2020, in response to Re: 1938 NYC BOT document showing original plan for 76th Street as Elderts Lane, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Jul 10 22:33:57 2020. I take it that the section mentioned by you is being used for tail tracks on the SAS ? It should not be difficult to extend the line to at least 116th Street since the tunnels are already in place and ready . |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Jul 11 23:37:04 2020, in response to Re: 1938 NYC BOT document showing original plan for 76th Street as Elderts Lane, posted by jailhousedoc on Sat Jul 11 19:41:20 2020. Yes, that's correct. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Jul 12 10:06:25 2020, in response to Re: 1938 NYC BOT document showing original plan for 76th Street as Elderts Lane, posted by jailhousedoc on Sat Jul 11 19:41:20 2020. Yes. But the tunnel(s) will have to be widened at 116th Street, since there originally was no station planned there, but now there is one. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Jul 12 10:19:05 2020, in response to Re: 1938 NYC BOT document showing original plan for 76th Street as Elderts Lane, posted by Express Rider on Sat Jul 11 18:55:49 2020. Maybe the buildings are not built directly over the tunnels. The east end of the tunnel actually comes through an opening made for it in a building.Some deep-bore tunnels are so far down that the solid rock between them and surface buildings would be in no danger of collapsing, but I don't think that applies here. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Jul 12 13:43:20 2020, in response to Re: 1938 NYC BOT document showing original plan for 76th Street as Elderts Lane, posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Jul 12 10:06:25 2020. There three trackways in that tunnel section. They could build an island platform station over the middle trackway. Otherwise they'll have to put in side platforms, which may be tricky depending on the geology of that area. |
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Posted by VictorM on Sun Jul 12 18:57:28 2020, in response to Re: 1938 NYC BOT document showing original plan for 76th Street as Elderts Lane, posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Jul 12 10:19:05 2020. This photo (from nycsubway.org) shows the tunnel under construction under 162 St: It's so close to the surrounding buildings it seems hard to believe it would not have to be regularly inspected. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Mon Jul 13 17:05:23 2020, in response to Re: 1938 NYC BOT document showing original plan for 76th Street as Elderts Lane, posted by VictorM on Sun Jul 12 18:57:28 2020. Now we know why the IRT could not fit subway type third rail in those tunnels! too narrow! |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jul 13 19:10:31 2020, in response to Re: 1938 NYC BOT document showing original plan for 76th Street as Elderts Lane, posted by Elkeeper on Mon Jul 13 17:05:23 2020. They actually could have fir subway type 3rd rail there if the bench walls were trimmed back. There was a plan to connect the Polo Grounds shuttle at the S/E to the 148 St subway yd but the city didn’t want to spend the money to modify the tunnels. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Mon Jul 13 20:36:42 2020, in response to Re: 1938 NYC BOT document showing original plan for 76th Street as Elderts Lane, posted by randyo on Mon Jul 13 19:10:31 2020. The 148St/Lenox connector goes back to around one the 1940 Unification wish list, according to what I have read. Like a lot of other projects, it died and was never resurrected. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jul 14 02:05:16 2020, in response to Re: 1938 NYC BOT document showing original plan for 76th Street as Elderts Lane, posted by Elkeeper on Mon Jul 13 20:36:42 2020. That’s the one I’m referring to. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Tue Jul 14 14:13:13 2020, in response to Re: 1938 NYC BOT document showing original plan for 76th Street as Elderts Lane, posted by randyo on Tue Jul 14 02:05:16 2020. I always wondered why they chose that option, as opposed to a connection from 149th St, up Gerard Ave, to join the #4 at 161St St. Was the IRT obligated to provide service from Sedgwick Ave for NY Central Putnam trains, as part of the Putnam swingbridge purchase? it seems like it. The NYCTA waited until the Putnam line closed, before shutting down the remaining Polo Grounds shuttle. |
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Posted by HANDBRAKE on Tue Jul 14 15:07:33 2020, in response to Re: Possible Major Evidence of Tunnel To 76TH STREET!, posted by K. Trout on Fri Jul 3 14:19:47 2020. Along Pitkin Avenue in front of the Municipal Parking lot that is adjacent to, but across the street from the Grant Avenue IND Station are subway gratings, and one Emergency Exit. The subway tunnel extends a very short distance south (East) of the Emergency exit to a solid concrete and vertical steel beam wall.There are no cinder blocks across A1 through A4 tracks under Pitkin. The cinder block wall that is frequently made mention of are A7/A8 tracks that would have been the main line yard lead from 76th Street, and where those tracks transition to K designations track yard lead towards the subway tunnel portal at the Grant Avenue Station. The tunnel construction under Pitkin Avenue at the Emergency Exit location is extra wide to accommodate the decent of yard lead tracks A7 & A8. NYCT track diagram for the proposed extension at 76th Street shows a bumpber block where A7 joins A1 & A2 track north of 76th Street. Similar to how K2 track drops down from Grant Avenue just outside south of Euclid Avenue to meet A2 & A4 track. B5 track at 47-50th Street has the same emergency run away bumper block arraignment just north of that station. Why would yard leads be built into a station with no connection to the main line does not make any sense. I believe that it was all about money. By 1948 BoT construction money most likely went to patching up former IRT and BMT properties, as did Bond Issue money to build the 2nd Avenue subway went to other places. The subway under Pitkin was completed with money for contracts underway prior to unification in 1940. The subway under Pitkin was completed during the Second World War, but materiel priorities, and shortages due to the war resulted with the subway extension from East NY to Euclid having to wait until 1948 to be completed. K1 and K2 tracks to Grant avenue were built during this construction, since there is no visoble evidence that civil construction built to bring K1 and K2 tracks up towards the Grant Avenue station were added after original construction was completed. Just past the descending A5 track yard lead to the K1 track up ramp it becomes plain as a dimply lit day in the tunnel. The plan to recapture the NYC build dual contract elevated structure on Liberty Avenue in the vicinity of Grant Avenue is evident in a proposed 1939 IND system expansion map. Does 76th street exist. I don't believe that it does. There are too many hear say eye witnesses who's stories seem to be an almost near miss, and at times rival the fabled lost island of Atlantis in the Atlantic Ocean, not Aegean. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jul 14 18:38:30 2020, in response to Re: 1938 NYC BOT document showing original plan for 76th Street as Elderts Lane, posted by Elkeeper on Tue Jul 14 14:13:13 2020. I suspect its because most of the infrastructure for the connection was already there and it would just have required a short section of el to connect the end of 148 St Yd to the 155 St station. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jul 14 19:33:10 2020, in response to Re: Possible Major Evidence of Tunnel To 76TH STREET!, posted by HANDBRAKE on Tue Jul 14 15:07:33 2020. It was standard practice on the IND to have a short section of straight track with a bumping block wherever a track on a downgrade merged with another line. You’ll find that on K2 tk S/O Euclid, B5 Tk N/O 50/6 and on C7 Yd Lead S/O 205 St and if built A7 N/O 76 St. A similar “safety spur” does not exist on B4 tk S/O 59 St since that ramp is upgrade with less chance of an accidental switch run through. The thing about the apocryphy of 76 St is that the several people I have spoken to who claim to have seen it all describe it the same way and they didn’t really have any occasion to get together to compare stories. When I was a trainmaster in 1983/84, I happened to have been looking through the emergency exit book in the command center and saw that there were 2 emergency exits shown that were about midway between Euclid and where 76 St should be.When the late trainmaster George Abere and I checked out the area, both below and above ground, there was no evidence of either of those emergency exits being there even though they were listed in the book. What we did notice though was that between the time we first examined the are in late 1962 and the time in 1984, extensive street reconstruction and paving had been done which would have obliterated anything that might have been there. We did notice a manhole cover in the middle of Pitkin Ave that was what we estimated to be a bout a half a block east of where the underground concrete wall would be. When I returned to that spot in 2005 after my mother passed away, The street had again been repaved and that manhole was no longer there. Also when George and I examined the A7 and A8 yard leads in 1962, there was still rail in the tunnels and the home signals protecting the switches that had been removed sometime before were still illuminated and the tunnels ended in unfinished mounds of black earth. When we returned in 1984, the rails had been removed and cinder block walls had been erected where non existed earlier. The only thing I regret is that when I visited Pitkin Yd tower, I never bothered to check to see if there were any traces of the yard leads on the model board that would have indicated how far those leads actually went before they were taken out of service the way 76 St is shown on Euclid’s board. It is known that when the switches were still in place some yard moves were made into those tks but I never found out how many cars they could hold before they were removed. |
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Posted by VictorM on Tue Jul 14 19:38:30 2020, in response to Re: Possible Major Evidence of Tunnel To 76TH STREET!, posted by HANDBRAKE on Tue Jul 14 15:07:33 2020. Thanks for the information. You can see the schematic of that area on page 23 of this interlocking diagram showing the track numbers. There may have been some construction east of that concrete wall on Pitkin at Grant Av, but the mystery is how far did it go? Someone once posted here there was a huge mound of soil on the median of Conduit Blvd at Pitkin. Maybe it was used to backfill the abandoned portion of the tunnel beyond the wall. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Tue Jul 14 20:45:25 2020, in response to Re: Possible Major Evidence of Tunnel To 76TH STREET!, posted by HANDBRAKE on Tue Jul 14 15:07:33 2020. There are too many hear say eye witnesses who's stories seem to be an almost near missLike the way people who claimed to have seen the Ivory-Billed Woodpecker all seemed to have camera problems at the time. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Tue Jul 14 20:53:14 2020, in response to Re: 1938 NYC BOT document showing original plan for 76th Street as Elderts Lane, posted by Bob Andersen on Sat Jul 11 07:03:13 2020. I remember the one in January 2000. The messageboard outside Yankee Stadium commemmorated Bob Lemon, who had died on January 11, so the trip must have been after that date. |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Tue Jul 14 20:58:10 2020, in response to Re: Possible Major Evidence of Tunnel To 76TH STREET!, posted by Peter Rosa on Tue Jul 14 20:45:25 2020. Like the way people who claimed to have seen the Ivory-Billed Woodpecker all seemed to have camera problems at the time. Well that explains it. They have all flocked to 76th Street. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by sloth on Tue Jul 14 21:01:49 2020, in response to Re: Possible Major Evidence of Tunnel To 76TH STREET!, posted by randyo on Tue Jul 14 19:33:10 2020. Would there have been any paper documentation issued to train crews, yardmasters, etc., regarding A7 and A8 leads, or the 4 tracks extending east under Pitkin?On the LIRR, an extensive paper trail would have resulted, and some buff employee would almost certainly have saved something. The tracks would have been put into and taken out of service by General Notice, which might also reference future provisions. Train crews would be issued a map of the yard, and yard supervision would have a more detailed map which should include the car capacities of A7 and A8. Signal and third rail departments would likely have their own maps and documentation. The book of emergency exits that you saw is the kind of thing I'm talking about; I'm surprised at how little else has surfaced. So either the subway operated at a less-than-railroad level of paper documentation in the 1940s and 1950s, or no pack rat buffs worked at Pitkin during that time, or there's nothing to find but a couple of hundred feet of unused tunnel. |
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Re: 1938 NYC BOT document showing original plan for 76th Street as Elderts Lane |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Jul 15 00:06:39 2020, in response to Re: 1938 NYC BOT document showing original plan for 76th Street as Elderts Lane, posted by Peter Rosa on Tue Jul 14 20:53:14 2020. I remember that message too. |
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Re: Possible Major Evidence of Tunnel To 76TH STREET! |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Jul 15 01:32:46 2020, in response to Re: Possible Major Evidence of Tunnel To 76TH STREET!, posted by sloth on Tue Jul 14 21:01:49 2020. As I mentioned in several posts, there was at least one case where a portion of the IND was built by someone else other than the B of T and even portions of the proposed N/B tunnels for the 4 Av Subway S/O 59 St were built by Con Ed as their circuit breaker chambers. If something similar were also the case with 76 St when the B of T decided to give up on a further extension of the subway it may never have been turned over and as a result the record could have just disappeared. |
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Re: Possible Major Evidence of Tunnel To 76TH STREET! |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Jul 15 01:38:01 2020, in response to Re: Possible Major Evidence of Tunnel To 76TH STREET!, posted by VictorM on Tue Jul 14 19:38:30 2020. I was probably the one who posted about the soil in the Conduit median. There were actually 2 mounds of earth, one each for the ends of A7 and A8 yd leads. I seem to recall checking Google and I don’t think they’re there anymore. I suspect that at the time those subway infrastructures were built, many of the homes that now exist weren’t there making any construction in the area a lot easier than if the homes had been there then. |
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