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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Mar 4 12:42:02 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Mar 4 11:54:13 2018. Won't Haappen |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Mar 4 12:53:55 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Mar 4 11:37:37 2018. Really? There are no hired workers earning roughly minimum wage? |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Mar 4 12:56:10 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Mar 4 10:19:37 2018. The only REAL and NECESSARY Federal expense is the military.True, or close to it. But the vast majority of our military spending is for overseas adventures that are by NO means necessary to the security of the country. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Mar 4 13:03:03 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Mar 3 17:47:42 2018. The colors come from the 2000 election (Bush v. Gore). Up to that point, the colors were swapped every four years. But because of the extended uncertainty about who won that election, the colors used that year became fixed in the American psyche, and they have continued to be used ever since. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Mar 4 13:30:14 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Mar 4 12:35:52 2018. Actually, he boasted about riding the Queen IND in his youth and hanging out between cars. May have been when he went to Kew Forest School near Union Tpke and Park Lane South. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Mar 4 13:32:57 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Mar 4 11:54:13 2018. Pelosi will get him impeached by February 2019. No question about that.If the Senate stays Republican, they will be vindictive enough to turn on Trump as they will finally see him as an albatross for 2020 and vote to remove. They'd get far more down with Pence anyway. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Mar 4 13:34:55 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by AlM on Sun Mar 4 12:53:55 2018. NOPE!NOBODY works for minimum wage in North Dakota. Minimum Wage is a JOKE! ($7.50/hr something like that) Walmart starts people at $12-14/hr, so that has become the defacto minimum wage, most get paid lots more than that. Your employer don't want to pay that much, then go to the guy down the street, he will be happy to pay your more. HEY! North Dakota is at FULL EMPLOYMENT, Help Wanted signs are found all over town. Only people with no work are those who are unable to work for whatever reason or do not want to work. Even severely handicapped persons can get work here. ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Mar 4 13:36:17 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Mar 4 12:56:10 2018. Also True. Unfortunately. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Mar 4 13:38:17 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Mar 3 16:02:00 2018. Highways are not as important here as they are in places like Atlanta. Yet their commuter get 90% of their capital road expenses paid by the federal government. So it's a regional discrimination, and why we are net donor states.If I have to subsidizer Perimeter Highway, they have to subsidize us. SAS and ESA are not of much use except to LIRR commuters and upper east side markets. Your logic says little federal money should go to that too. In fact, you seem opposed to UMTA/FTA doing any more than 20% for any transit projects. That has not been the way it has been since the 1960's. It started with CTA's Skokie Swift as a federal project |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Mar 4 13:40:49 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by orange blossom special on Sun Mar 4 09:58:49 2018. New York is a net donor state. Ergo, not a handout. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Mar 4 13:41:36 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by R2ChinaTown on Sun Mar 4 12:41:09 2018. You suspect wrong. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Mar 4 13:51:18 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Joe V on Sun Mar 4 13:32:57 2018. Has nothing to do with Senate control. Even if Democrats win the Senate, they won't have 2/3rds. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Mar 4 13:53:02 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Joe V on Sun Mar 4 13:38:17 2018. We are net donor states because of our high GDP. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Mar 4 13:57:50 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Mar 4 13:51:18 2018. Dems plus enough disgusted Republicans will get them 67. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Mar 4 14:07:44 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Mar 4 13:53:02 2018. That too. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Mar 4 14:28:38 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Mar 4 13:34:55 2018. That's because North Dakota doesn't have a high population. Therefore, manpower is at a premium, and the value of each person's labor is locally higher.Even paramedics do fairly well in ND, earning an average of $33.52/hr., which is an astonishing 87% above the national average. The same medic working in Alabama gets less than nothing, by comparison. Come to think of it, IINM, even FDNY isn't paying paramaniacs thatvwell! |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Mar 4 15:09:42 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Joe V on Sun Mar 4 13:57:50 2018. If Mueller gets real evidence of criminal activity, like Trump on tape agreeing to go easy on Russia in Ukraine in return for Russia leaking DNC emails to Wikileaks, then yes. Not based on "Go easy on Mike Flynn" and firing Comey being obstruction of justice. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Mar 4 15:13:13 2018, in response to "Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project", posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 3 06:35:39 2018. Page 2 of today's (Sunday 3/4) NY Daily Snooze has an article pertaining to this discussion. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Mar 4 15:16:17 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Mar 4 13:03:03 2018. my favorite red/blue visual was an NBC report on an election in Philly. They used red for broken voting machines, blue for majority Black precincts. Overlay was nearly perfect purple. Some coincidence, eh? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Mar 4 15:16:35 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by AlM on Sun Mar 4 15:09:42 2018. This is Petty.The government has a history of withholding funds for needed projects to push certain earmarks for donars... This rail tunnel shouldn't be a victim of pettiness squblings in any beef. He seriously should be ashamed. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Mar 4 15:36:12 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Edwards! on Sun Mar 4 15:16:35 2018. He should be ashamed, but he's not. Trump has no sense of shame. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Mar 4 16:07:07 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 3 07:12:04 2018. The real problem is, Trump knows the Koch Brothers could even "primary" him if he doesn't do what THEY want. They might be pushing for this. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Mar 4 16:11:31 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Mar 4 16:07:07 2018. And to add, if it had been Sanders vs. Trump, I actually believe Scott Walker (Governor of Wisconsin and a big poster boy of the Koch Brothers) is President right now because the Kochs likely go and "hijack" the Conservative Party, have Walker (or if not him, another "GOP Establishment" candidate) run on that with the idea of targeting enough states to get to 80-100 Electoral Votes, enough to prevent a Sanders or Trump win. From there, it would have gone to a simple vote of states (one vote per state) in the House where Walker/GOP "Establishment" Candidate gets the 26 states necessary to take the White House with the same process done in the Senate for the Vice President.That to me is what the Democrats feared would happen if it had been Sanders vs. Trump. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Mar 4 16:21:10 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Mar 4 16:11:31 2018. Drugs are bad. M'kay? |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Mar 4 16:41:44 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Mar 4 15:13:13 2018. Yeah, but the Daily Snooze is now behind a paywall. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Mar 4 16:46:29 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Mar 4 16:21:10 2018. This all came up because Mitt Romney was actually looking to run a third-party campaign where he would win enough electoral votes to prevent Trump or Hillary/Sanders from winning. Bloomberg was on record as saying HE would also have run had it been Sanders vs. Trump.In my view, the Kochs (who actually sat out the last Presidential Election) would have paid the Conservative Party enough to have their intended candidate "step aside" and let them use it to run an "Establishment" candidate that most likely to me would have been Scott Walker, whom to many is the poster child of why the Kochs are bad for the US. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Mar 4 17:38:03 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Joe V on Sun Mar 4 13:32:57 2018. You are so upsidedown in your thinking.Pelosi will not even run in 2018. ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Mar 4 17:39:08 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by AlM on Sun Mar 4 15:09:42 2018. If Mueller gets real evidence? What the heck have you been smoking? Pot is not Legal in NYC.ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Mar 4 17:40:04 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Edwards! on Sun Mar 4 15:16:35 2018. LION agrees with you. But the government has many tics.Get it? Polytics? ROARING |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Mar 4 17:41:39 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Mar 4 14:28:38 2018. Most Paramedics in ND are volunteers and do not get paid.ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Mar 4 17:47:05 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Mar 4 16:46:29 2018. But NOBODY wants an extablishment candidate.... That *IS* why Trump was elected.My FIRST choice was CARSON! ROAR |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Mar 4 17:56:15 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Mar 4 17:39:08 2018. Well, you may think it's obvious he will get hard evidence. I'm not so sure. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Mar 4 18:30:14 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Mar 4 17:47:05 2018. Hillary actually won the popular vote.Trump won because of mainly elderly voters who wanted a return to the "good times" of the 1950's and '60s when many of them THRIVED in more favorable times TO THEM. Same reason their British counterparts voted for the Brexit in England in June 2016 where they actually said that about returning to an earlier time. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Mar 4 18:40:23 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Mar 4 18:30:14 2018. That sounds like bullshit. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Mar 4 19:25:57 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Mar 4 18:40:23 2018. no, actually he is spot on. MAGA which was the orange liar's most popular slogan explicitly harks back to a time when a man could get a job straight out of barely graduating HS and afford a mortgage a stay at home wife and kids. Of course, the reality is that was not quite what the past was like for everyone,but the fantasy is what he evoked. (and not to ignore, part of it was also a time when "....knew their place", gays were hidden, Latino and other non European immigrants were few, and the picket fences were kept painted.You are,of course, entitled to ignore history, disbelieve what those of us in our 70s remember living through, and buy into the scapegoating of the immkigrants who fled dire poverty in the countiries south of us, etc. BTW if you think migant farm workers ever had it easy, go find Harvest of Shame the final Ed Murrow doc for CBS which ran around Thanksgiving 1960. The difference is that back then many were "native born" Americans working for starvation wages; now more are Latinos. BTW, current estimates are that 35k Irish "undocumenteds" are lurking around Boston; have you heard of any ICE raids aimed at them? I thought not. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Mar 4 19:44:31 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Mar 4 12:42:02 2018. The extreme right Rush & Sean types think its a slam dunk that It'l be President Pence someday if the Dims take the house. The're worried, but might back off cannonizing him if he says anything more to piss off the NRA. Maybe all that tariff stuff was a deliberate diversion from the gun issue?? They also think, at least plausable that the kids from that shot up Florida School were coached with their reactions and questions from the extreme left. Talk about beyond nonsense. Where is the credibility & sanity here?? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Mar 4 20:06:39 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Mar 4 19:25:57 2018. My point is that wasn't just the old folks who got him in there. Young Charlottesville-marcher types helped too. We should ban bump stocks only after someone machine-guns one of their rallies.Who are you talking to? |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Sun Mar 4 20:34:08 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Mar 4 10:52:46 2018. How are several billion dollars being thrown away by building both tunnels on the same side?Because they follow a less direct path that is longer then the path of the of the existing tunnels. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Mar 4 20:36:01 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Sand Box John on Sun Mar 4 20:34:08 2018. That doesn't make sense. |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Sun Mar 4 20:41:09 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by 3-9 on Sun Mar 4 08:14:07 2018. Wait, aren't the billions of dollars because we have to (re)build bridges and dig tunnels under the river? Whether the tunnels straddle the current ones or whether they're going to be set some distance away isn't the big cost factor, is it?The remark Spider-Pig made was: "I disagree. Placing both tunnels on one side of the existing tunnels is simpler as both tunnels can share construction staging." My response was: Right, throw away several billion dollars to save on the cost of a couple of $250,000 each temporary construction access bridges. The key words in my response were temporary and access. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by 600vdc on Sun Mar 4 20:45:22 2018, in response to "Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project", posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 3 06:35:39 2018. Trump is a freaking idiot: always has been, always will be. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Mar 4 21:06:47 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by R2ChinaTown on Sun Mar 4 12:41:09 2018. You make a serious response about someone else unraveling in response to an OBS post? Sad. |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Sun Mar 4 21:30:29 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Mar 4 20:36:01 2018. That doesn't make sense.The path I am referring to is the path in the plans of the canaled project, not a path that would put both tunnels down stream adjacent to the existing tunnels. The only reason I can think of for the chose of the path in the canaled project is the tunnels have a less steep ruling grade. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by Dave on Sun Mar 4 21:48:58 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Mar 4 16:21:10 2018. I was thinking the same thing, S-P. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sun Mar 4 22:38:46 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Mar 4 20:06:39 2018. Also, workers that feel they are getting stiffed by Democratic policies, such as coal miners. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sun Mar 4 22:53:31 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Sand Box John on Sun Mar 4 20:41:09 2018. But I'm focusing on the "throw away several billion dollars" because you feel that 1) the location of the tunnels is bad, 2) they're wasting money on the NY end. However, looking at the probable entrance location on the NJ end, it's not even 1/2 mile away from the current tunnel entrance. The difference between them narrows on the NY end, but that shouldn't account for a huge difference in length. The most likely increase in cost would seem to be from the appropriation of private property. As far as the changes it would require on the NY end, it would be far less intrusive than what you're proposing:It shows the extra tracks basically being added on to the current interlocking, as opposed to tearing up and rerouting existing tracks, which would disrupt service far more and still cost a ton. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Mar 4 23:30:31 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by 3-9 on Sun Mar 4 22:38:46 2018. well, they are the proof of P.T. Barnum and the sage of Baltimore. Which party tries to gut safety regulations at work sites, defeat worker attempts at unionization, is working to abolish overtime differentials? (hint, GOP) Of course if one listens to McConnell, the fact that natural gas produces 4 times the BTUs per dollar is Obama's fault. And the miners believed him. Almost as smart as the farmers who voted GOP after the US made a monster deal to sell grain to the Soviets with pre-public announcement "insider information" to Cargill and the rest of the speculators who bought up the bumper crop at depressed prices making out like bandits on the single sale. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Mar 5 02:19:10 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Mar 4 20:06:39 2018. Point well taken, but the major of Trump voters were mostly elderly and mostly white. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Mar 5 02:19:28 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Mar 4 20:06:39 2018. Point well taken, but the majority of Trump voters were mostly elderly and mostly white. |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Mon Mar 5 08:42:59 2018, in response to Re: ''Trump pushes Republicans to oppose crucial New York-New Jersey tunnel project'', posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Mar 4 15:36:12 2018. That's just the kind of person he is. :( |
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