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Manhattan Bridge (B) (D) train side fuckd up |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Tue Jan 9 09:16:32 2018 Rail condition on the bridgeB train suspended D train split section Lots of delays nearby lines |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue Jan 9 09:54:06 2018, in response to Manhattan Bridge (B) (D) train side fuckd up, posted by Gold_12th on Tue Jan 9 09:16:32 2018. I told them Christie Street would be a mistake. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Tue Jan 9 11:06:52 2018, in response to Manhattan Bridge (B) (D) train side fuckd up, posted by Gold_12th on Tue Jan 9 09:16:32 2018. is there any room for extra traffic through the Montegue tunnel, or are they already doing that? |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue Jan 9 11:21:24 2018, in response to Re: Manhattan Bridge (B) (D) train side fuckd up, posted by Express Rider on Tue Jan 9 11:06:52 2018. That won't help Sixth Avenue services. |
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Posted by Bob Andersen on Tue Jan 9 12:10:13 2018, in response to Re: Manhattan Bridge (B) (D) train side fuckd up, posted by SLRT on Tue Jan 9 09:54:06 2018. But then the N and Q would be having the problems! |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Jan 9 12:34:21 2018, in response to Re: Manhattan Bridge (B) (D) train side fuckd up, posted by SLRT on Tue Jan 9 09:54:06 2018. Chrystie Street's problem is that the junction at Delancey Street goes only to/from the Williamsburg Bridge.Had it also gone towards Chambers St, 6th Ave service would have had the same redundancy that Bway service enjoyed. Any problem on the north side of the Manhattan Bridge would have resulted in sending B's and D's through Nassau St to the Montague St Tunnel. |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue Jan 9 15:06:25 2018, in response to Re: Manhattan Bridge (B) (D) train side fuckd up, posted by Bob Andersen on Tue Jan 9 12:10:13 2018. Send 'em to Chambers Street! |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue Jan 9 15:13:24 2018, in response to Re: Manhattan Bridge (B) (D) train side fuckd up, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Jan 9 12:34:21 2018. Back when I worked the night shift in LIC and still lived in Brooklyn (1970-71) I had take to the F to the Sixth Avenue Line and the D home.During that period they had a diversion where the D couldn't use the Manhattan Bridge late night. My D pulled into Essex Street BMT, reversed ends and took Centre Street -> Nassau Street -> Montague back to the Brighton. Rode that several times. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Jan 9 15:16:34 2018, in response to Re: Manhattan Bridge (B) (D) train side fuckd up, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Jan 9 12:34:21 2018. Okay.. So the TA could actually finish the Chrystie Nassau connection, which would be cheaper to build.It's a connector... |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Jan 9 17:16:53 2018, in response to Re: Manhattan Bridge (B) (D) train side fuckd up, posted by SLRT on Tue Jan 9 15:13:24 2018. I heard that sometimes the D actually had to approach the Williamsburg Bridge (go well east of Essex) - maybe even onto the bridge? Maybe that was going the other direction? |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jan 9 18:45:33 2018, in response to Re: Manhattan Bridge (B) (D) train side fuckd up, posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Jan 9 17:16:53 2018. I remember some of those service patterns and the D did go up onto the Willy B to change ends. The GO also ordered that only 8 car trains be operated on the D ( no 75 footers yet) and they did make stops along the Nassau St Line. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Jan 9 18:50:38 2018, in response to Re: Manhattan Bridge (B) (D) train side fuckd up, posted by randyo on Tue Jan 9 18:45:33 2018. I was on one of those trains.It did go onto the WB (way short of center span). However it made no stops along Nassau St. Don't know whether it was an 8 or 10 car train. It didn't use 75 foot cars. The T/O walked through the train to change ends. |
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Posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Tue Jan 9 19:52:50 2018, in response to Re: Manhattan Bridge (B) (D) train side fuckd up, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Jan 9 18:50:38 2018. Would be 10 car trains. Trains did not stop anywhere along the line through the Montaque St tunnel until it reached DeKalb Ave. This was for trains going from Manhattan to Brooklyn.If it was in the other direction,train would stop at the center platform at Essex St, but not open doors. T/O would key out of the lead car, walk all the back to the other end and key back in to the cab there. Train would then switch over to west/southbound track then to the connector track (used by the K or M trains) to head to Broadway-Lafayette on the 6th Ave line. |
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Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Wed Jan 10 10:21:00 2018, in response to Re: Manhattan Bridge (B) (D) train side fuckd up, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Jan 9 18:50:38 2018. Been there did that too, I was a kid at the time at the RFW and loved it. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Jan 10 10:25:32 2018, in response to Re: Manhattan Bridge (B) (D) train side fuckd up, posted by randyo on Tue Jan 9 18:45:33 2018. Was this GO really effective given all the trouble involved? I mean wouldn't it just have been easier to just have services to Brooklyn at 34th Street via Broadway and have people transfer there? How much passenger time was being saved by performing the Willy B maneuver over changing at 34th I wonder? |
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Posted by SLRT on Wed Jan 10 11:00:29 2018, in response to Re: Manhattan Bridge (B) (D) train side fuckd up, posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Jan 10 10:25:32 2018. In the midnight hours of this GO, it would not have been "easier" for riders already dealing with 20 minute headways to make the walking transfer (and have some consideration for the mobility-challenged) at 34th Street to get what? An R or N and then transfer at deKalb again?How much less trouble would it have been to run the D in two sections? Sometimes you have to think these things out. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Jan 10 13:48:16 2018, in response to Re: Manhattan Bridge (B) (D) train side fuckd up, posted by SLRT on Wed Jan 10 11:00:29 2018. It seems that with the addition of scheduling staff and the use of computers to make generating supplement schedule easier, the upper management of OP seems reluctant to create timetables that used to be able to be run with relatively little difficulty. In fact, with new and improved signaling, many of these operations can be run even more easily. It’s been quite a few years since I’ve seen single tracking being done through any of the East River tunnels. It seems that rather than run a single track on the A between Chambers and High St, they would rather reroute the A over the F Line through Rutgers St in the direction of the O/S tk in the Cranberry Tube. |
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Posted by zac on Wed Jan 10 14:17:16 2018, in response to Re: Manhattan Bridge (B) (D) train side fuckd up, posted by SLRT on Tue Jan 9 11:21:24 2018. It would help riders from Brooklyn when half the trains are not going to Manhattan. To most people 6th Ave or Broadway doesn't matter when trains are a mess. Just get them to Midtown. 34th is the same, 42nd is one block over, 49th is one block over, 53rd/7th is 2 short blocks from the back end of 57th/7th. 59th/Columbus Circle is one long block from 57th/7th. Take the Lex if you are going east side. Prince is one block south of Bway/Laf. W 4th isn't particularly close to anything, nor is Grand but that is it.People will take anything that moves. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Jan 10 16:05:10 2018, in response to Re: Manhattan Bridge (B) (D) train side fuckd up, posted by SLRT on Wed Jan 10 11:00:29 2018. Yes, when I said "services to Brooklyn" I meant something like a "yellow D" (though via-route colors weren't in use yet at this time I think) or a Q or something like that. I would not suggest two extra transfers (one at 34th and another at DeKalb).If the "yellow D" went as far as 57th / 7th, then pretty much only people coming from the Bronx and CPW and seeking Brighton would be affected. Is that a lot of people? (I'm assuming that it's a wash whether the Brighton service uses 6th or Broadway - that it conveniences/inconveniences about the same number of people equally). I would say the prime benefit of performing the WIlly B maneuver is that you really didn't have to educate people as to what was happening. Your D train still made it to DeKalb and that's all they had to know. But I would suppose there were many who, finding themselves in this position, would have preferred to just have a direct Broadway-Brighton service to turn to instead, and that these people may outweigh whatever time savings there was for people coming from north of 59th St and wanting Brighton not having to change. |
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Wed Jan 10 17:47:54 2018, in response to Re: Manhattan Bridge (B) (D) train side fuckd up, posted by SLRT on Tue Jan 9 15:13:24 2018. The same diversion occurred in the very early 80s (1982?) when track work was being done on the Manhattan Bridge between 10am and 3pm.--Mark |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Jan 10 18:28:49 2018, in response to Re: Manhattan Bridge (B) (D) train side fuckd up, posted by Edwards! on Tue Jan 9 15:16:34 2018. I hear that there actually are trackways the lead towards Nassau St. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Jan 10 18:30:04 2018, in response to Re: Manhattan Bridge (B) (D) train side fuckd up, posted by zac on Wed Jan 10 14:17:16 2018. If they really wanted to, they could put in a free transfer from Broadway-Lafayette to Prince St. |
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Posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Wed Jan 10 20:57:37 2018, in response to Re: Manhattan Bridge (B) (D) train side fuckd up, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Jan 10 18:28:49 2018. Yeah, all the stuff that existed prior to the Chrystie St changes in 1967. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Jan 11 05:32:42 2018, in response to Re: Manhattan Bridge (B) (D) train side fuckd up, posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Wed Jan 10 20:57:37 2018. Supposedly there is a pair of trackways from the Houston-Delancey St. tunnels that leaf the other way towards Nassau St. I wasn't talking about the severed connection from the south side tracks to Nassau St. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Jan 11 12:48:06 2018, in response to Re: Manhattan Bridge (B) (D) train side fuckd up, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Jan 9 12:34:21 2018. Wouldn't it make sense to reconnect the tracks on the south side of the Bridge to Nassau (along with lengthening Chambers, Fulton and Broad to handle 600 foot trains) so in an emergency trains can run via Nassau back to Brooklyn?Perhaps adding a connection via Chrystie from Nassau directly to the 6th Avenue Line (perhaps north of Canal Street if possible) is something that needs to be explored. That would open up also having 6th Avenue service run directly via Nassau and Montague. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Jan 11 14:30:22 2018, in response to Re: Manhattan Bridge (B) (D) train side fuckd up, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Jan 10 18:30:04 2018. I’ve mentioned that in several posts since it seems that the N/E of Prince St is even closer to Bway/Laf than Lawrence is to Jay/Boro Hall. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Jan 11 14:34:25 2018, in response to Re: Manhattan Bridge (B) (D) train side fuckd up, posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Jan 10 16:05:10 2018. Unfortunately, the way the cesspool of incompetence that passes for MTA planning designed it, only the exp tks at 57/7 can get to the SAS so 57 can no longer be used to turn trains without blocking service. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jan 11 14:45:22 2018, in response to Re: Manhattan Bridge (B) (D) train side fuckd up, posted by randyo on Thu Jan 11 14:30:22 2018. Then they'd have to put in elevator access to Prince Street's platforms, so there is a real cost.And it's just very hard to describe an itinerary where that transfer is really important. Bway-Lafayette to Bleecker was far more useful to far more people (which is why they did that one). |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Jan 11 17:12:33 2018, in response to Re: Manhattan Bridge (B) (D) train side fuckd up, posted by AlM on Thu Jan 11 14:45:22 2018. Depending on the infrastructure profile elevators to the Prince St platforms might not be necessary since they may line up with the areas of Bway/Laf which are already accessible. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Jan 11 18:30:08 2018, in response to Re: Manhattan Bridge (B) (D) train side fuckd up, posted by randyo on Thu Jan 11 17:12:33 2018. Sledgehammers and elbow grease? |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Jan 11 18:31:56 2018, in response to Re: Manhattan Bridge (B) (D) train side fuckd up, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Jan 11 05:32:42 2018. That's "lead." $#%$#$#%%!!! |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Jan 12 02:00:30 2018, in response to Re: Manhattan Bridge (B) (D) train side fuckd up, posted by randyo on Thu Jan 11 14:34:25 2018. They would only need to connect the southbound local track to restore easy turning capability. The sb express track would then be usable for turns.Or they could do turns the way they sometimes turn the M at 57th/6th... very quickly. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Jan 12 16:48:29 2018, in response to Re: Manhattan Bridge (B) (D) train side fuckd up, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Jan 12 02:00:30 2018. Although it’d done often at 57/6 I never liked the idea of turning trains on any sort of a mainline. However, if a train were to break down while turning at 57/6, Fs could be rerouted through 53 St to get them to/from Queens with a minimum of disruption to passengers. At 57/7 there is no good way to get Qs to/from the SAS except to route them via 6 Av between Dekalb and Lex/63 which is a longer distance than 50/6 and Queens. There is no good reason why the lcl tks N/O 57/7 couldn’t be connected to the 63 St Line and the SAS since the trackways and infrastructure is there for it. |
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Posted by SLRT on Sat Jan 13 17:34:17 2018, in response to Re: Manhattan Bridge (B) (D) train side fuckd up, posted by randyo on Thu Jan 11 14:34:25 2018. If push came to shove, they could turn a bad order train north of Times Square and route Q trains through the local tracks at 49th Street.It was done for decades. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Jan 14 18:06:31 2018, in response to Re: Manhattan Bridge (B) (D) train side fuckd up, posted by SLRT on Sat Jan 13 17:34:17 2018. That would be about the only way to do it, but it still doesn’t excuse poor planning on the part of the MTA. |
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