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Re: [PHOTOS] Myrtle Ave ''el'' Comes Down (Myrtle & Flatbush) |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Nov 16 15:08:38 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Myrtle Ave ''el'' Comes Down (Myrtle & Flatbush), posted by Nilet on Thu Nov 16 14:42:57 2017. After all, you are a self-confessed white supremacist.Of course, that's your answer for everything. ou have stated that you think racial equality is, in your own words, "nonsense and propaganda." Of course, because you say so. And in numerous previous threads, you have demonstrated that your reading comprehension is so poor that you are functionally illiterate. Of course, because I don't play your autistic games. Perhaps you should take a moment to ponder the life choices that led you to this pitiable condition where your sense of self-worth is entirely contingent on believing that having pale skin makes you inherently superior despite your complete lack of personal success, social contribution, or community standing. Of course, as you wallow in your manufactured leftist white guilt. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Nov 16 15:15:18 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Myrtle Ave ''el'' Comes Down (Myrtle & Flatbush), posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Nov 16 13:50:03 2017. I don't have the patience for his games. |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Nov 16 15:26:41 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Myrtle Ave ''el'' Comes Down (Myrtle & Flatbush), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Nov 16 15:08:38 2017. Case in point. You didn't understand a single word of what I wrote, yet you felt compelled to respond anyway because your insecurity doesn't allow you to walk away knowing that we all know you're a loser. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Nov 16 15:31:29 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Myrtle Ave ''el'' Comes Down (Myrtle & Flatbush), posted by Nilet on Thu Nov 16 15:26:41 2017. I understand entirely your utter crap. I choose not to engage you. |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Nov 16 15:49:38 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Myrtle Ave ''el'' Comes Down (Myrtle & Flatbush), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Nov 16 15:31:29 2017. Ooh, that's a classic GP Chris move— the "I'm posting to let you know that it's very important to me that you know I don't care about you at all!" Adorable.I swear, the only reason I even read SubChat is to laugh at the whacked-out shit the freaks keep spewing, and you're always a classic. Got any more? Dance for me, monkey! |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Nov 16 18:06:25 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Myrtle Ave ''el'' Comes Down (Myrtle & Flatbush), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Nov 16 13:43:52 2017. I don't think race was correlated with what they wanted to get rid of. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Nov 16 18:10:01 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Myrtle Ave ''el'' Comes Down (Myrtle & Flatbush), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Nov 16 13:42:17 2017. Well yes, the Jamaica el situation was very complicated. I think the Queens Boro President Donald Manus (whatever his name was) was a driving factor.But the 2 non-dual contract els had huge targets on their back. IIRC, 3rd Avenue el had some stations with ridership growing. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Nov 16 18:21:19 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Myrtle Ave ''el'' Comes Down (Myrtle & Flatbush), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Nov 16 13:55:54 2017. Meanwhile, no J & M service this weekend west of Hewes Street due to trackwork. The marvels of modern technology. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Nov 16 18:48:22 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Myrtle Ave ''el'' Comes Down (Myrtle & Flatbush), posted by Joe V on Thu Nov 16 18:10:01 2017. I think it was Manes.They have a steak knife collection named after him. |
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Posted by trains61 on Thu Nov 16 19:01:47 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Myrtle Ave ''el'' Comes Down (Myrtle & Flatbush), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Nov 16 13:43:52 2017. Stop revising history. What you posted is your opinion. There were people who cared about the Myrtle Ave. El. Some business owners on the route, wrongfully thought that the razing of the El., would improve their business. What happened was the opposite. Yes, I concede the area was in economic decline. However, I still contend that, "You can`t paint an entire neighborhood by the actions of a few."There are Daily News articles which showed that SOME people/residents of the area opposed the El. coming down, but their pleas were by and large ignored. Sumner Houses, Marcy Houses, Fort Green Houses, Lafayette Gardens and Roosevelt Houses were completely filled. So how does that equate to a population decrease? Those same people conducted their business along Myrtle Ave. because that is where the stores were located. These people worked for the BD. of ED, NYPD, Transit Authority, Department Stores in Downtown Bklyn. to name a few. The B54 was inadequate as a replacement for the El. Just think how the 8 and the MJ Els would be useful today in these neighborhoods. The Lurkers` Guild An Area Resident for 26 years (Circa 1961-1987) |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Thu Nov 16 19:48:37 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Myrtle Ave ''el'' Comes Down (Myrtle & Flatbush), posted by trains61 on Thu Nov 16 19:01:47 2017. Except for the projects on Myrtle Ave, this razing sounds similar to the razing of the Jamaica el. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Nov 16 19:52:00 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Myrtle Ave ''el'' Comes Down (Myrtle & Flatbush), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Nov 16 13:55:54 2017. And no OSHA, either. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Nov 16 19:57:22 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Myrtle Ave ''el'' Comes Down (Myrtle & Flatbush), posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Nov 16 08:18:28 2017. They had the luxury of open cut construction since Flatbush Ave. extension was still needed yet. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Nov 16 20:18:11 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Myrtle Ave ''el'' Comes Down (Myrtle & Flatbush), posted by Nilet on Thu Nov 16 12:22:26 2017. Nonsense. When they wanted to abandon the Franklin Shuttle, the locals screamed like hell & the shuttle was saved. The locals there were primarily non-white. As far as the Myrtle Ave Els demise, there was too much outside political factors that went above & beyond what anyone in the area who wanted to save the el. To say that the Myrtle Ave el was ripped down a/c the area it served was primarily black is just an example of Al Sharpton like race baiting hysteria. Besides being well, nonsense. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Nov 16 20:36:45 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Myrtle Ave ''el'' Comes Down (Myrtle & Flatbush), posted by trains61 on Thu Nov 16 19:01:47 2017. Good post. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Nov 16 22:12:39 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Myrtle Ave ''el'' Comes Down (Myrtle & Flatbush), posted by Joe V on Thu Nov 16 18:21:19 2017. Yes, exactly |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Nov 16 22:13:22 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Myrtle Ave ''el'' Comes Down (Myrtle & Flatbush), posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Nov 16 20:18:11 2017. Thank you. Exactly |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri Nov 17 01:21:14 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Myrtle Ave ''el'' Comes Down (Myrtle & Flatbush), posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Nov 16 20:18:11 2017. ... Al Sharpton like race baiting hysteria...I do love it when the whackos conveniently explain that they're whackos so I don't need to bother treating them like adults. |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Fri Nov 17 02:08:43 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Myrtle Ave ''el'' Comes Down (Myrtle & Flatbush), posted by Joe V on Thu Nov 16 18:21:19 2017. YAWN. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Nov 17 07:16:48 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Myrtle Ave ''el'' Comes Down (Myrtle & Flatbush), posted by Elkeeper on Thu Nov 16 19:48:37 2017. Yes- local businesses thought that making it harder to actually reach them would result in a pickup in activity... |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Nov 17 08:37:59 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Myrtle Ave ''el'' Comes Down (Myrtle & Flatbush), posted by Nilet on Fri Nov 17 01:21:14 2017. It's more like that he proved you wrong and you have no viable defense to justify your actions, so you will pretend you just dismissing his viewpoint as being subpar to yours, even though you know what he said was 100% true. Hereth endeth the lesson. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Nov 17 08:38:15 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Myrtle Ave ''el'' Comes Down (Myrtle & Flatbush), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Nov 16 13:43:52 2017. Saying this in 2017 is a crock of shit. Saying it about the mid-late 1960's is not. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Nov 17 08:41:02 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Myrtle Ave ''el'' Comes Down (Myrtle & Flatbush), posted by MainR3664 on Fri Nov 17 07:16:48 2017. I think the major reason was money. The MTA did not want to spend the millions that were required to rehab this line. By 1969 the Q cars had to go, and each station needed wooden platform replacements. In today's climate it would have gotten a major rebuild. In the 1960's, they just tore it down. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Nov 17 08:44:13 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Myrtle Ave ''el'' Comes Down (Myrtle & Flatbush), posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Nov 16 20:18:11 2017. 1999 and 1969 are not comparable. |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri Nov 17 09:09:32 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Myrtle Ave ''el'' Comes Down (Myrtle & Flatbush), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Nov 17 08:38:15 2017. Saying this in 2017 is a crock of shit. Chris: Is this what crock pots are used for? How are things in Orange County? Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Nov 17 12:32:34 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Myrtle Ave ''el'' Comes Down (Myrtle & Flatbush), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Nov 17 08:41:02 2017. Anyone here know what the Myrtle Ave el ridership was, between Sumner Ave and Bridge-Jay St? I don't remember too many people in those Q cars, between rush hours, during the mid-1960's. Unless I'm wrong, low ridership factored into its demise. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 17 12:34:19 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Myrtle Ave ''el'' Comes Down (Myrtle & Flatbush), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Nov 16 13:43:52 2017. The area was unfortunately in decline=The area's population was getting darker. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Nov 17 14:19:54 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Myrtle Ave ''el'' Comes Down (Myrtle & Flatbush), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Nov 17 08:41:02 2017. I'm sure. I guess people in those days just didn't have the energy to rise up and demand better from local government (and yes, I'm fully aware that protests of other things were going on then...)But this sort of thing? Guess not. Sad. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Nov 17 14:21:37 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Myrtle Ave ''el'' Comes Down (Myrtle & Flatbush), posted by Elkeeper on Fri Nov 17 12:32:34 2017. I'm sure they cited that. The thing is, as long as the line keeps standing, ridership can come back, as we know. Demolition also cannot be undone. Yes, theoretically, a replacement line can be built. But that hasn't worked out too well in the past 77 years, either. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Nov 17 19:25:07 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Myrtle Ave ''el'' Comes Down (Myrtle & Flatbush), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Nov 17 08:41:02 2017. They also needed specialty cars. Ordinary R36's or R62's would not do. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Fri Nov 17 20:44:30 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Myrtle Ave ''el'' Comes Down (Myrtle & Flatbush), posted by Joe V on Fri Nov 17 19:25:07 2017. Because they were too heavy? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Nov 17 23:03:28 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Myrtle Ave ''el'' Comes Down (Myrtle & Flatbush), posted by Catfish 44 on Fri Nov 17 20:44:30 2017. Yup. That's why they designed the R39. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Nov 18 08:35:50 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Myrtle Ave ''el'' Comes Down (Myrtle & Flatbush), posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri Nov 17 09:09:32 2017. No, I use mine for bones and cartilage from rotisserie chicken to make great chicken broth. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Nov 18 08:37:11 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Myrtle Ave ''el'' Comes Down (Myrtle & Flatbush), posted by Catfish 44 on Fri Nov 17 20:44:30 2017. Basically a fancy Lo-V. No dynamic breaks, very simple ceiling air circulation system. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Nov 18 16:49:22 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Myrtle Ave ''el'' Comes Down (Myrtle & Flatbush), posted by Catfish 44 on Fri Nov 17 20:44:30 2017. Actually, as I have mentioned in several posts on this topic, according to a TA civil engineer I knew, the Myrtle structure could hold anything the TA operated including the D types if they could have fit there. The lightweight R-39 was more for the 3 Av el than Myrtle but once it was determined that the R-12s could operate on 3rd, there was no longer any reason to order new cars for lines that were slated for demolition anyhow. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Nov 18 17:31:52 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Myrtle Ave ''el'' Comes Down (Myrtle & Flatbush), posted by randyo on Sat Nov 18 16:49:22 2017. They also had to cut max consists from 6 to 5 cars and limit speeds. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Nov 18 19:29:52 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Myrtle Ave ''el'' Comes Down (Myrtle & Flatbush), posted by randyo on Sat Nov 18 16:49:22 2017. That truss over Flatbush most certainly could have carried anything the TA had. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Nov 18 20:08:32 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Myrtle Ave ''el'' Comes Down (Myrtle & Flatbush), posted by Joe V on Sat Nov 18 17:31:52 2017. Actually, when the R-12s went to 3rd, they were 4 car consists. If I remember the Steinways were in 5 car consists and the only time that Steinway trains had trailers in the consist. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Nov 18 22:17:36 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Myrtle Ave ''el'' Comes Down (Myrtle & Flatbush), posted by randyo on Sat Nov 18 20:08:32 2017. Randy, why did they go from 5 to 4 cars, when the R-12's started service there? |
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Posted by VictorM on Sat Nov 18 23:08:46 2017, in response to [PHOTOS] Myrtle Ave "el" Comes Down (Myrtle & Flatbush), posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Nov 9 16:14:56 2017. Thanks for these interesting photos. Two minor corrections: the first photo is looking west on Myrtle Av, the last photo is looking south down Flatbush Av.It's amazing how much that area has changed since then. Here's a recent street view of the same intersection: |
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Posted by Ian Lennon on Sun Nov 19 00:55:25 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Myrtle Ave ''el'' Comes Down (Myrtle & Flatbush), posted by Elkeeper on Sat Nov 18 22:17:36 2017. I would think weight. They also cut out the dynamics, didn't they? |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Nov 19 02:38:10 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Myrtle Ave ''el'' Comes Down (Myrtle & Flatbush), posted by Ian Lennon on Sun Nov 19 00:55:25 2017. The dynamics were cut out, but I think that the principal reason the car service was cut was due to decreasing ridership. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Nov 19 07:56:15 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Myrtle Ave ''el'' Comes Down (Myrtle & Flatbush), posted by randyo on Sun Nov 19 02:38:10 2017. How does dynamic braking increase stress on the structure ? |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Nov 19 14:49:28 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Myrtle Ave ''el'' Comes Down (Myrtle & Flatbush), posted by randyo on Sat Nov 18 16:49:22 2017. Did that engineer ever say anything about the axle load limit on that el? That would have been the major deciding factor as to what could run there. IIRC the Triplexes had an axle weight load of 20 tons. |
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Posted by Ian Lennon on Sun Nov 19 15:15:49 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Myrtle Ave ''el'' Comes Down (Myrtle & Flatbush), posted by Joe V on Sun Nov 19 07:56:15 2017. I remember a cab ride in a P-wire R-46. The motorman cut out the dynamics (circuit breaker)for a station stop, to show me the difference. The stop was much smoother without them. I would think it was to reduce the shaking of structure. |
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