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From a friend , this may be old news. Septa multi-level cars |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Jul 16 12:16:30 2017 2421On Thursday, March 23, 2017 the SEPTA Board, at its regularly scheduled meeting, approved the award of a contract to CRRC MA Corp to purchase 45 multi-level coaches, with an option to purchase 10 more cars. New multi-level cars will increase capacity Multi-level fleet will be used to address service enhancements including additional Express trains Vehicles will have comfortable two-two seating arrangement on both levels No other cars currently in SEPTA fleet will be retired with the acquisition of multi-levels Issues and Major Initiatives Impacting Current Schedules Creating a Regional Rail schedule requires much more than identifying a start time for a trip and calculating time points for each station stop. Timetables are built by culling data from the Control Center and daily operational reporting, crew observations, customer comments and feedback and scheduling the work runs for hundreds of Rail employees who deliver our daily service. Add to this, Amtrak integration issues and changing service conditions resulting from the many maintenance and construction projects now possible by our robust, Act 89 funded capital program. Put this together and you have a complex effort to mesh all these elements into a schedule to run service for 13 Regional Rail Lines. Positive Train Control implementation Dwell times due to increased ridership, especially at low-level platforms Improved SEPTA/Amtrak schedule coordination Capital project coordination management More efficient fleet utilization |
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Re: From a friend , this may be old news. Septa multi-level cars |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Jul 16 12:42:50 2017, in response to From a friend , this may be old news. Septa multi-level cars, posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Jul 16 12:16:30 2017. more money heading to China .... |
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Re: From a friend , this may be old news. Septa multi-level cars |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Jul 16 18:24:01 2017, in response to From a friend , this may be old news. Septa multi-level cars, posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Jul 16 12:16:30 2017. Unfortunately with the same design flaw as the NJT/MARC/AMT MLV car - the high level door, being at a choke point between the 2 levels and the outer ends, is only single width, and few use the end doors at high level stations.At least the C-3 inner doors (they are no end doors) are double width. |
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Re: From a friend; this may be old news. SEPTA multi-level cars |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 16 19:08:35 2017, in response to Re: From a friend , this may be old news. Septa multi-level cars, posted by Joe V on Sun Jul 16 18:24:01 2017. few use the end doors at high level stationsThey're that dumb? |
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Re: From a friend; this may be old news. SEPTA multi-level cars |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 16 19:11:08 2017, in response to From a friend , this may be old news. Septa multi-level cars, posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Jul 16 12:16:30 2017. They're going to need a new design. The current bilevel cars that CRRC (Red China) produces will be too tall for the CCCT. |
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Re: From a friend , this may be old news. Septa multi-level cars |
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Posted by andy on Sun Jul 16 20:09:09 2017, in response to Re: From a friend , this may be old news. Septa multi-level cars, posted by Joe V on Sun Jul 16 18:24:01 2017. LIRR C3s only use high platforms so it was easy to make one wide door, about 48" wide. |
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Re: From a friend , this may be old news. Septa multi-level cars |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Jul 16 20:19:05 2017, in response to Re: From a friend , this may be old news. Septa multi-level cars, posted by andy on Sun Jul 16 20:09:09 2017. even the MLV's have doors of almost same size , the inner diors are bigger than end dooes with traps. |
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Re: From a friend , this may be old news. Septa multi-level cars |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Jul 16 20:19:05 2017, in response to Re: From a friend , this may be old news. Septa multi-level cars, posted by andy on Sun Jul 16 20:09:09 2017. even the MLV's have doors of almost same size , the inner diors are bigger than end dooes with traps. |
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Re: From a friend; this may be old news. SEPTA multi-level cars |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 16 20:22:53 2017, in response to Re: From a friend , this may be old news. Septa multi-level cars, posted by andy on Sun Jul 16 20:09:09 2017. They had to build the platforms for the C3s, not the other way around. |
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Re: From a friend; this may be old news. SEPTA multi-level cars |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Jul 17 17:48:26 2017, in response to Re: From a friend; this may be old news. SEPTA multi-level cars, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 16 19:11:08 2017. They will be just like the NJT cars, and they can fit. |
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Re: From a friend; this may be old news. SEPTA multi-level cars |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Jul 17 17:54:47 2017, in response to Re: From a friend; this may be old news. SEPTA multi-level cars, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 16 19:08:35 2017. The end door is a psychological barrier. When I first saw the plans for them, I predicted this, and it turned out to be true. People in the end level also use the inner doors, not the end doors.They are a civil engineers car, just like the original Amfleet bathrooms - no concept of human behavior or ergonomics. An architect is more atuned to that sort of thing, and would have designed better. Compared to the C-3, the stairs are too narrow and are too steep. People stand on the steps, play with their phones, oblivious to anyone behind them, and the whole aisle waits for the stair-stuffer and for the doors to open, rather than spread out to the middle level and to the end doors. |
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Re: From a friend , this may be old news. Septa multi-level cars |
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Posted by R30A on Mon Jul 17 19:39:12 2017, in response to Re: From a friend , this may be old news. Septa multi-level cars, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Jul 16 20:19:05 2017. The doors are nowhere near as large as the C3 doors, and the end doors with traps are the same size as the quarter point doors without traps. |
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Re: From a friend; this may be old news. SEPTA multi-level cars |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 17 21:31:16 2017, in response to Re: From a friend; this may be old news. SEPTA multi-level cars, posted by Joe V on Mon Jul 17 17:48:26 2017. The NJT cars are a BBD design. They can get this under license? |
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Re: From a friend , this may be old news. Septa multi-level cars |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Jul 17 23:31:20 2017, in response to Re: From a friend , this may be old news. Septa multi-level cars, posted by Joe V on Sun Jul 16 18:24:01 2017. If they were smart (ha!) they would have only end doors. If no one uses both sets anyway, no point in wasting seating space with extra doors. People will use the end door if it is the only one.In 30 years when SEPTA has gotten around to high-plat-ing all stations, they can buy C-3-alikes. |
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Re: From a friend , this may be old news. Septa multi-level cars |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 17 23:49:44 2017, in response to Re: From a friend , this may be old news. Septa multi-level cars, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Jul 17 23:31:20 2017. In 30 years when SEPTA has gotten around to high-plat-ing all stationsThat will never happen. |
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Re: From a friend; this may be old news. SEPTA multi-level cars |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Jul 18 17:32:55 2017, in response to Re: From a friend; this may be old news. SEPTA multi-level cars, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 17 21:31:16 2017. I don't know how it works. |
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