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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Wed Jun 28 21:49:16 2017, in response to Re: G Train Loop, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Jun 28 21:29:27 2017. 4th and 5th cars were derailed, right? I can presume safely that either the conductor was injured or tending to injuries in that car because it was the conductors car involved. But I'm not referring to that train I'm referring to the ones that were stuck for an hour that had no unusual occurrences of that power off that's where management needs to be prevalent but your argument of taking the crew off the train would get nobody nowhere real fast Without managerial assistance. Perhaps nobody in management has been burned yet because people are frequently evacuating themselves off of delay trains, I'm just trying to figure out how you think that opto would make a better outfit which it can't Under circumstances like this |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Jun 28 22:26:21 2017, in response to Re: G Train Loop, posted by Andrew Saucci on Wed Jun 28 21:35:33 2017. The concern is real. Work, wages, etc. has to be redefined. In addition to not needing showers, hotel rooms, restaurants, etc., robots won't need the products that they produce. So, even those who initially prosper through automation, will eventually go bankrupt.My point is that the problem of displacing T/O's and C/R's through automation should not be borne by the subway passenger. The problem is more universal. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Wed Jun 28 22:50:37 2017, in response to Re: G Train Loop, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Jun 28 21:15:13 2017. More like greedy folks derailing trains if you ask some... |
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Posted by Railman718 on Wed Jun 28 22:51:53 2017, in response to Re: G Train Loop, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Jun 28 21:13:28 2017. You didn't say that.. Correct? |
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Posted by Railman718 on Wed Jun 28 22:53:35 2017, in response to Re: G Train Loop, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Jun 28 21:48:41 2017. He's deflecting Bill |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jun 28 22:59:55 2017, in response to Re: G Train Loop, posted by Railman718 on Wed Jun 28 22:53:35 2017. i wish he'd do like a math teacher asks, and "show all work". |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Wed Jun 28 23:21:48 2017, in response to Re: G Train Loop, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jun 28 16:52:04 2017. Salary shouldn't be published by name, except for political appointees and people they hire. For everyone else, names and any other ID info should be stripped out.Sure, we need to know how much we are (or were) paying to have Port Authority cops stand at tollbooths including overtime & other similar costs. We DON'T need to know that by name. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Jun 28 23:25:22 2017, in response to Re: G Train Loop, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Jun 28 22:26:21 2017. Let's get rid of the t/o's and c/r's. Do we keep the train dispatchers, asst. train dispatchers, towermen and TSS?Get rid of them all and keep the bureaucrats at 347 Madison, 2 Broadway, 130 & 180 Livingston. Why not? Let's see how the railroad runs then with your ZPTO! |
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Posted by Railman718 on Thu Jun 29 00:09:06 2017, in response to Re: G Train Loop, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jun 28 22:59:55 2017. This isn't math class though...Having flashbacks? |
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Posted by Railman718 on Thu Jun 29 00:10:16 2017, in response to Re: G Train Loop, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Jun 28 23:25:22 2017. I'm having a good laugh Bill I'm showing his posts to other co workers they are also laughing! |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Jun 29 03:21:37 2017, in response to Re: G Train Loop, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Jun 28 23:25:22 2017. A better question would be, why are some new systems (dare I say AirTrain) built from the start as automated operations?The PANYNJ could have chosen to go with a system using trains operates by humans (which I still think is inherently better, for a number of reasons). They didn't, because the PA didn't want to pay humans, or cover the costs of their benefits. That is the unfortunate reality of our century. I don't think everything should be done by robots, but corporations and city governments often think otherwise. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jun 29 10:47:45 2017, in response to Re: G Train Loop, posted by Railman718 on Thu Jun 29 00:10:16 2017. This site is a joke. They all think they know how it really is in the trenches. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Jun 29 11:05:54 2017, in response to Re: G Train Loop, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Jun 28 23:25:22 2017. Do we keep the train dispatchers, asst. train dispatchers, towermen and TSS?Their functions can probably be automated. The tower was automated by London Transport back in the 1930's. Get rid of them all and keep the bureaucrats at 347 Madison, 2 Broadway, 130 & 180 Livingston. Those bureaucrats are the ones who are saving your jobs. They know they have no future, if they eliminate people to supervise. That's why they have not pushed automation. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jun 29 12:14:29 2017, in response to Re: G Train Loop, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Jun 29 11:05:54 2017. Supervisors work out in the field, not on the offices.Downtown are the bureaucrats. The budget people who exchange Emails all day. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Thu Jun 29 12:18:52 2017, in response to Re: G Train Loop, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jun 29 12:14:29 2017. This guy is hilarious Bill! |
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Posted by Railman718 on Thu Jun 29 12:21:08 2017, in response to Re: G Train Loop, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jun 29 10:47:45 2017. Filled with folks who can't last a day that's why they are sitting by their computers trying to run this company... Now you see why most RTO folks don't bother here.. I'm showing coworkers this dribble and they are shaking their heads at so called "intelligent " people... |
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Posted by The Management on Thu Jun 29 12:47:15 2017, in response to Re: G Train Loop, posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Jun 26 21:33:46 2017. Seriously.A government entity has a duty to be as efficient as possible with the resources it has. If the most efficient way to do this is with one (or no) person crews, so be it. This isn't some sort of welfare government jobs program. The populace has the right to demand that it's tax dollars be spent wisely. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jun 29 12:55:01 2017, in response to Re: G Train Loop, posted by The Management on Thu Jun 29 12:47:15 2017. Do you think the riding public will trust NYCT subway trains with ZPTO? |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Jun 29 13:04:45 2017, in response to Re: G Train Loop, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jun 29 12:55:01 2017. Do you think the riding public will trust NYCT subway trains with ZPTO?They won't notice any difference. Crews have made themselves invisible in their cabs. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jun 29 13:10:50 2017, in response to Re: G Train Loop, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Jun 29 13:04:45 2017. The news media will certainly make them aware. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Thu Jun 29 13:54:51 2017, in response to Re: G Train Loop, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Jun 29 13:04:45 2017. LOL you really are losing it huh? |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Jun 29 15:50:58 2017, in response to Re: G Train Loop, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Jun 28 21:15:13 2017. Then why weren’t they eliminated from the buses? |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Jun 29 16:38:46 2017, in response to Re: G Train Loop, posted by Railman718 on Wed Jun 28 20:59:26 2017. Then what good are they? |
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Posted by ftgreeneg on Thu Jun 29 17:04:06 2017, in response to Re: G Train Loop, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Jun 28 21:29:27 2017. I find the C/R not making an annoucement for 20 minutes highly unbelievable. My question to you is...How do you think those 300 emergency personnell were notified? The crew on the trained informed RCC who in turn informed the police, FDNY etc. How do you think the derailment was discovered? The T/O went down to investigate. I've been involved with a 12-9 how the emergency personell find out someone was under the train? I had to tell them of course. The passengers om the train didn't know anything obviously and the passengers on the platform got the hell outta there. If the passenger was still alive and can be saved with time of the essence who exactly gonna get that person get the help he needs if no personel is on the train? |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Jun 29 18:11:11 2017, in response to Re: G Train Loop, posted by ftgreeneg on Thu Jun 29 17:04:06 2017. I find the C/R not making an annoucement for 20 minutes highly unbelievable.I've taken a lot of flak over my views. Please quote me accurately. I wrote that the reports indicted the time interval from the derailment to the conductor's announcement was 10 to 20 minutes. Not an absolute 20 minutes. I also wrote that it was 20 minutes before the C/R came around to unlock the doors between the cars. How do you think those 300 emergency personnell were notified? I've previously written that I would like to see an NTSB report because a detailed description of emergency actions is always included. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jun 29 18:21:09 2017, in response to Re: G Train Loop, posted by ftgreeneg on Thu Jun 29 17:04:06 2017. I find the C/R not making an annoucement for 20 minutes highly unbelievableSome C/R's have an attitude and might do such a thing. But 99% follow the rule book. Were any cars off power during this derailment? How do you think those 300 emergency personnell were notified? Social media! I've been involved with a 12-9 Read the iron!!!!!!!! btw- did you get a few days off for the 12-9? |
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Posted by Railman718 on Thu Jun 29 18:31:30 2017, in response to Re: G Train Loop, posted by randyo on Thu Jun 29 16:38:46 2017. Good enough to be employed en mass by this another companies.. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jun 29 20:36:45 2017, in response to Re: G Train Loop, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Jun 29 18:11:11 2017. If I was still a c/r, I'm going to open one car door at a time to evacuate. I do not want a stampede.For announcements, 2 minutes feel like 10 minutes, unless you have a stopwatch. The crew would like to get an idea on what is going on with the train before they start giving announcements which may not be accurate. The t/o has to call control appraising them of the situation, the c/r should then be told by the t/o what's happening. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Thu Jun 29 22:02:43 2017, in response to Re: G Train Loop, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Jun 29 11:05:54 2017. It's sad that Mr. Bauman, one of the brightest people on this board-- one of the few who backs up everything he says with facts-- is being treated like an idiot without any cause whatsoever... no wonder that so many bright people wind up leaving. Disgraceful, disgusting, and immature, to say the least. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Jun 30 08:26:04 2017, in response to Re: G Train Loop, posted by Andrew Saucci on Thu Jun 29 22:02:43 2017. Your opinion yet it's ok for folks to come at someone with a condescending tone when they get slapped back then the whining starts smh.... |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Jun 30 08:28:29 2017, in response to Re: G Train Loop, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jun 29 20:36:45 2017. Everything that was done Bill was done "As per RCC" a situation like that you have to be smart mindful and careful because one wrong move and you will have a LOT to answer for... |
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Posted by ftgreeneg on Fri Jun 30 09:10:35 2017, in response to Re: G Train Loop, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Jun 29 18:11:11 2017. I didn't say i didn't believe you i said i don't believe the account of an annoucement not being made in 20 min. The literally the C/R's job in the event of extended delays is to keep riders informed.Quick aside a couple yrs ago I had a Bravo (B line) job. Going NB bet Columbus Circle and 72nd st the dispatnher comtacted me on the radio to tell me bc of a delay after 72 we're going express. We stop at 72nd st and my partner annoucned about 10 times we were going express and what to do if you want lcl stops. I know bc I heard him making rhe announcements clear as day theough my cab door. We.start moving and we get to 125th and a gentleman comes to the front cab window and saus to me very rudely thanks for kidnapping him np pneade any.announcements. Now i instantly knew why he thought that bc i saw headphones hanging around his neck. |
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Posted by ftgreeneg on Fri Jun 30 09:17:18 2017, in response to Re: G Train Loop, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jun 29 18:21:09 2017. Got 8 months off. |
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Posted by ftgreeneg on Fri Jun 30 09:20:44 2017, in response to Re: G Train Loop, posted by Andrew Saucci on Thu Jun 29 22:02:43 2017. You have employees on this board and he pretty much says employees are the problem with mta and should be replaced by automation. How do you expect ppl to react to a suggestion they should lose their jobs... |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Jun 30 09:38:47 2017, in response to Re: G Train Loop, posted by ftgreeneg on Fri Jun 30 09:20:44 2017. Ftgreen I have no problem with folks expressing their opinion that's ok we can agree to disagree.. Yet you start being all condescending with your opinion towards me I'll slap you period... We are adults here you want to try to talk down or try to show your intelligence in that way you get dealt with.. Some folks here can't can't deal with that when I come at them in response to their "tone".. Thats why I'm not here as much like I used to be... I think there are too many grown arse sensitive folks here for my taste... Just my opinion.. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Jun 30 09:39:21 2017, in response to Re: G Train Loop, posted by ftgreeneg on Fri Jun 30 09:17:18 2017. It should be pointed out a t/o out due to a 12-9 is out on Workman's Comp and is not on the payroll. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Jun 30 10:03:37 2017, in response to Re: G Train Loop, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Jun 30 09:39:21 2017. Which they put you through hell and a hand basket now due to others screwing it up... |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Jun 30 10:11:38 2017, in response to Re: G Train Loop, posted by Railman718 on Fri Jun 30 09:38:47 2017. Can you point to a condescending post anywhere? I don't see one.And by the way, the rebuttals don't argue to Stephen's point. Stephen says you don't need humans to operate the trains and the doors. The rebuttals say that the humans do other very useful tasks. |
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Posted by ftgreeneg on Fri Jun 30 10:45:04 2017, in response to Re: G Train Loop, posted by Railman718 on Fri Jun 30 09:38:47 2017. Very true ppl want to discuss their opinion but get sensitive when it comes to defendimg it from those who don't agree. |
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Posted by ftgreeneg on Fri Jun 30 10:46:50 2017, in response to Re: G Train Loop, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Jun 30 09:39:21 2017. Yes in this climate of mta employees accused of being a drag on the mta that is a very important distinction to point out. |
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Posted by chud1 on Fri Jun 30 10:48:45 2017, in response to Re: G Train Loop, posted by Railman718 on Fri Jun 30 09:38:47 2017. agree Railman718.chud1. :)..... |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Jun 30 10:57:12 2017, in response to Re: G Train Loop, posted by AlM on Fri Jun 30 10:11:38 2017. Replies not posts replies... |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Jun 30 11:09:35 2017, in response to Re: G Train Loop, posted by AlM on Fri Jun 30 10:11:38 2017. Again I don't have issues with anyone's opinion I might not agree so the opinion isn't a issue it's how one addresses one with their opinion. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Jun 30 11:11:54 2017, in response to Re: G Train Loop, posted by ftgreeneg on Fri Jun 30 10:45:04 2017. Yes that's why I'll take a coworkers advice( former poster here actually) and just not say much here I get enough of that from customers on the trains.. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Jun 30 12:16:54 2017, in response to Re: G Train Loop, posted by AlM on Fri Jun 30 10:11:38 2017. The rebuttals say that the humans do other very useful tasks.I also strongly hinted that humans in operator cabs were of relatively little use during Tuesday's derailment. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Jun 30 12:19:56 2017, in response to Re: G Train Loop, posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Jun 30 12:16:54 2017. A single example, even if 100% accurate, doesn't contradict a rebuttal that lists numerous other occasions on which NYCT employees have been useful engaging in tasks other than operating trains and doors. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Jun 30 13:21:32 2017, in response to Re: G Train Loop, posted by Railman718 on Fri Jun 30 09:38:47 2017. Got much love for you,brah, Just because of your frankness!Haven't seen you in forever, but it good to see you posting again! |
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Posted by ftgreeneg on Fri Jun 30 14:10:54 2017, in response to Re: G Train Loop, posted by Railman718 on Fri Jun 30 11:11:54 2017. I can see why...smh |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Jun 30 18:34:05 2017, in response to Re: G Train Loop, posted by Edwards! on Fri Jun 30 13:21:32 2017. Hey man I'm doing alright just popped in for a bit as I see nothing's changed same whining different players... |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jun 30 19:13:34 2017, in response to Re: G Train Loop, posted by Andrew Saucci on Thu Jun 29 22:02:43 2017. Don't be such a drama queen. |
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