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WMATA: 1027 is on its way to Feeler Car Heaven

Posted by Sand Box John on Tue Apr 5 23:41:42 2016

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Picture taken today at 6:31 PM EDT, Clearance Checking Car (Feeler Car) 1027 at United Iron & Metal, Baltimore Maryland. Notice that the feelers have been removed from the car.


Picture taken of 1027 on 11 17 2012 in Fall Church Yard prior to checking clearances on phase I on the N Route Silver line.

WMATAGMOAGH suggested to me, after I informed of the scrapping, that the Track Geometry Car might be fitted to preform that task.

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Re: WMATA: 1027 is on its way to Feeler Car Heaven

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Apr 6 01:26:27 2016, in response to WMATA: 1027 is on its way to Feeler Car Heaven, posted by Sand Box John on Tue Apr 5 23:41:42 2016.

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the one car which should have been saved for a museum (askKalmbach for a grant)

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Re: WMATA: 1027 is on its way to Feeler Car Heaven

Posted by Sand Box John on Wed Apr 6 06:57:34 2016, in response to Re: WMATA: 1027 is on its way to Feeler Car Heaven, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Apr 6 01:26:27 2016.

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the one car which should have been saved for a museum (askKalmbach for a grant)

She has the fewest miles on her which mean she is the most structurally sound. Problem is the car has no propulsion hardware under it.

John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore.

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Re: WMATA: 1027 is on its way to Feeler Car Heaven

Posted by Joe V on Wed Apr 6 07:38:25 2016, in response to Re: WMATA: 1027 is on its way to Feeler Car Heaven, posted by Sand Box John on Wed Apr 6 06:57:34 2016.

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I am surprised the Smithsonian has not asked for one. They could store it at the trolley museum up there.

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Re: WMATA: 1027 is on its way to Feeler Car Heaven

Posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Wed Apr 6 08:00:19 2016, in response to WMATA: 1027 is on its way to Feeler Car Heaven, posted by Sand Box John on Tue Apr 5 23:41:42 2016.

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What is a feeler car???

Is it similar in purpose to the R-1 that was converted to a clearance car in preparation for the R-44/46/68 75' fleet?

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Re: WMATA: 1027 is on its way to Feeler Car Heaven

Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Apr 6 08:43:14 2016, in response to Re: WMATA: 1027 is on its way to Feeler Car Heaven, posted by Joe V on Wed Apr 6 07:38:25 2016.

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How do you know they haven't????

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Re: WMATA: 1027 is on its way to Feeler Car Heaven

Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Apr 6 08:43:36 2016, in response to Re: WMATA: 1027 is on its way to Feeler Car Heaven, posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Wed Apr 6 08:00:19 2016.

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As Edwards! used to say, do you feel me?

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Re: WMATA: 1027 is on its way to Feeler Car Heaven

Posted by Joe V on Wed Apr 6 08:55:28 2016, in response to Re: WMATA: 1027 is on its way to Feeler Car Heaven, posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Apr 6 08:43:14 2016.

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Article I read somewhere a few weeks ago said there are absolutely no takers for the Rohr fleet.

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Re: WMATA: 1027 is on its way to Feeler Car Heaven

Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Apr 6 12:57:06 2016, in response to Re: WMATA: 1027 is on its way to Feeler Car Heaven, posted by Joe V on Wed Apr 6 08:55:28 2016.

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Maybe they were interested and asked for one but ultimately decided against it?

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Re: WMATA: 1027 is on its way to Feeler Car Heaven

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Apr 6 23:09:31 2016, in response to Re: WMATA: 1027 is on its way to Feeler Car Heaven, posted by Joe V on Wed Apr 6 08:55:28 2016.

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WMATA hasn't exactly gone soliciting them. Seems like you are getting your stories confused.

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Re: WMATA: 1027 is on its way to Feeler Car Heaven

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Apr 6 23:10:10 2016, in response to WMATA: 1027 is on its way to Feeler Car Heaven, posted by Sand Box John on Tue Apr 5 23:41:42 2016.

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Pretty sure the feeler car is (or was) 1028 or 1029, I never remember which it is though.

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Re: WMATA: 1027 is on its way to Feeler Car Heaven

Posted by Joe V on Thu Apr 7 07:27:15 2016, in response to Re: WMATA: 1027 is on its way to Feeler Car Heaven, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Apr 6 23:09:31 2016.

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What does it matter if WMATA "gone soliciting". Transit systems seldom do so. Museums make the first move. As it sands now, nobody is getting any. Nothing confusing about that.

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Re: WMATA: 1027 is on its way to Feeler Car Heaven

Posted by BLE-NIMX on Thu Apr 7 07:54:05 2016, in response to Re: WMATA: 1027 is on its way to Feeler Car Heaven, posted by Joe V on Thu Apr 7 07:27:15 2016.

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United Iron and Metals IS taking them LOL

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Re: WMATA: 1027 is on its way to Feeler Car Heaven

Posted by Joe V on Thu Apr 7 07:58:40 2016, in response to Re: WMATA: 1027 is on its way to Feeler Car Heaven, posted by BLE-NIMX on Thu Apr 7 07:54:05 2016.

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So the only way to get one is to buy retail from the scrapper. An outfit with resources like the Smithsonian could if they wanted to. I have read nothing that they intend to.

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Re: WMATA: 1027 is on its way to Feeler Car Heaven

Posted by MTA T on Thu Apr 7 09:45:43 2016, in response to Re: WMATA: 1027 is on its way to Feeler Car Heaven, posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Wed Apr 6 08:00:19 2016.

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Yes

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Re: WMATA: 1027 is on its way to Feeler Car Heaven

Posted by Sand Box John on Thu Apr 7 10:21:22 2016, in response to Re: WMATA: 1027 is on its way to Feeler Car Heaven, posted by Joe V on Thu Apr 7 07:58:40 2016.

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So the only way to get one is to buy retail from the scrapper. An outfit with resources like the Smithsonian could if they wanted to. I have read nothing that they intend to.

No. One can inquire to WMATA to acquire one or more of the cars. I would imagine WMATA would let almost any individual or group of individual have some for a price under conditions that would limit WMATA's liability.

As it stands now United Iron and Metal is being paid to remove them WMATA property.

An aside note, I saw a Orion bus at United Iron and Metal last night.

John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore.

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Re: WMATA: 1027 is on its way to Feeler Car Heaven

Posted by Sand Box John on Thu Apr 7 10:24:54 2016, in response to Re: WMATA: 1027 is on its way to Feeler Car Heaven, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Apr 6 23:10:10 2016.

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Pretty sure the feeler car is (or was) 1028 or 1029, I never remember which it is though.

My bad, the feeler car is 1028, 1029 was the mate that was destroyed.

John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore.

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Re: WMATA: 1027 is on its way to Feeler Car Heaven

Posted by Joe V on Thu Apr 7 11:41:37 2016, in response to Re: WMATA: 1027 is on its way to Feeler Car Heaven, posted by Sand Box John on Thu Apr 7 10:24:54 2016.

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How may 7000 sets are running and where ?

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Re: WMATA: 1027 is on its way to Feeler Car Heaven

Posted by Sand Box John on Thu Apr 7 13:59:40 2016, in response to Re: WMATA: 1027 is on its way to Feeler Car Heaven, posted by Joe V on Thu Apr 7 11:41:37 2016.

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How may 7000 sets are running and where ?

My best guess is there are at least 150 on the property of which something around 120 are in revenue service, 7108 and 7109 was in the train I road aboard on on 03 27 2016. From the chatter I have heard they are deployed on all lines with occasional appearances on the Silver.

John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore.

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Re: WMATA: 1027 is on its way to Feeler Car Heaven

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Apr 7 22:57:43 2016, in response to Re: WMATA: 1027 is on its way to Feeler Car Heaven, posted by Sand Box John on Thu Apr 7 13:59:40 2016.

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According to Dr. Gridlock:

By the end of March, Metro had received 112 cars. Of those, 96 had been accepted for service, and 12 trains were operating. Metro officials say they were working with Kawasaki to improve the production, so the cars enter service more quickly.

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Re: WMATA: 1027 is on its way to Feeler Car Heaven

Posted by Sand Box John on Thu Apr 7 23:45:47 2016, in response to Re: WMATA: 1027 is on its way to Feeler Car Heaven, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Apr 7 22:57:43 2016.

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By the end of March, Metro had received 112 cars. Of those, 96 had been accepted for service, and 12 trains were operating. Metro officials say they were working with Kawasaki to improve the production, so the cars enter service more quickly.

If 96 out of 112 cars have been accepted for service, what explains the presents of car 7108 and 7109 in the train I road aboard?



John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore.

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Re: WMATA: 1027 is on its way to Feeler Car Heaven

Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Apr 7 23:50:05 2016, in response to Re: WMATA: 1027 is on its way to Feeler Car Heaven, posted by Sand Box John on Thu Apr 7 23:45:47 2016.

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Acceptance of cars does not go in numerical order?

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Re: WMATA: 1027 is on its way to Feeler Car Heaven

Posted by Sand Box John on Fri Apr 8 07:29:46 2016, in response to Re: WMATA: 1027 is on its way to Feeler Car Heaven, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Apr 7 23:50:05 2016.

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Acceptance of cars does not go in numerical order?

In the past, to my knowledge, it always has.

John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore.

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Re: WMATA: 1027 is on its way to Feeler Car Heaven

Posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Fri Apr 8 08:22:31 2016, in response to Re: WMATA: 1027 is on its way to Feeler Car Heaven, posted by Sand Box John on Fri Apr 8 07:29:46 2016.

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Unless there was an issue with a part of the order.

I.e.: an accident with manufacturing or delivery, and thus the cars had to be re-shipped to the OEM for repairs.

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Re: WMATA: 1027 is on its way to Feeler Car Heaven

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Apr 8 10:48:24 2016, in response to Re: WMATA: 1027 is on its way to Feeler Car Heaven, posted by Sand Box John on Thu Apr 7 23:45:47 2016.

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Cars not being accepted in numerical order for whatever reason.

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Re: WMATA: 1027 is on its way to Feeler Car Heaven

Posted by randyo on Fri Apr 8 17:18:47 2016, in response to Re: WMATA: 1027 is on its way to Feeler Car Heaven, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Apr 8 10:48:24 2016.

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I can’t speak for other systems, but on the NYCTS, many car orders were delivered out of sequence. In the case of the NYCTS, it was probably due to most of the car contracts’ electrical equipment being split between WH and GE and which manufacturer's
equipment was shipped to the car builder first. For example, the 6400 series GE R-16s were delivered before the 6300 WH R-16s, and the 7525 - 7749 GE R-22s arrived on the property ahead of the 7300 - 7514 WH R-22s. The WH R-26s arrived before the GEs.

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