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DeBlasio to propose light rail line |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Feb 3 18:33:18 2016 East River waterfront. Doesn't he know about the G train? |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Feb 3 18:42:53 2016, in response to DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by AlM on Wed Feb 3 18:33:18 2016. What does the G train have to do with it ? It is nowhere near for most of the route. Sounds like an equivalent of HBLRT. Worth considering. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Feb 3 18:48:58 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by Joe V on Wed Feb 3 18:42:53 2016. What, for $100 million per mile? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Feb 3 18:49:34 2016, in response to DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by AlM on Wed Feb 3 18:33:18 2016. The G doesn't run by the waterfront.That said, anything de Blasio "proposes" ought to be summarily ignored. |
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Re: DeBlasio to propose *streetcar* line |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Feb 3 18:50:46 2016, in response to DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by AlM on Wed Feb 3 18:33:18 2016. Remember that "streetcar" and "light rail" are distinct forms in the parlance of the FTA these days. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Feb 3 18:54:35 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Feb 3 18:49:34 2016. Your last sentence says it all |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Feb 3 18:55:22 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by Joe V on Wed Feb 3 18:42:53 2016. I wonder if such a project could extend to LGA, since as it's already planned for Astoria? |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Feb 3 18:57:35 2016, in response to DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by AlM on Wed Feb 3 18:33:18 2016. And the East River Ferry? |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Feb 3 19:11:31 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by Joe V on Wed Feb 3 18:42:53 2016. What does the G train have to do with it ?It's being presented as a method of getting from Brooklyn to Queens. We already have one underutilized method. “There is a desperate need for north-south transportation between Brooklyn and Queens,” said Mitchell L. Moss, director of the Rudin Center for Transportation Policy at New York University. “This is going to do more to encourage more housing than any other transit improvement currently underway.” |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Feb 3 19:28:29 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by AlM on Wed Feb 3 19:11:31 2016. Balance the ratable and general economic impact against the initial $100M/mile outlay. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Feb 3 19:39:28 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by Joe V on Wed Feb 3 19:28:29 2016. There's a far better return on investment extending the F and E farther east into Queens. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Feb 3 20:07:35 2016, in response to DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by AlM on Wed Feb 3 18:33:18 2016. "The streetcars are expected to travel about 12 miles per hour.Top-speed or average? The NYC speed limit is 25. The streetcars should at least be able to hit that speed between stops. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 3 20:11:52 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by italianstallion on Wed Feb 3 20:07:35 2016. That might be the plan. If they hold up traffic, and everybody starts honking, they'll demand an el. :) |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Feb 3 20:17:41 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Feb 3 18:54:35 2016. That's fallacious reasoning. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Feb 3 20:38:49 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 3 20:11:52 2016. Speaking of holding up traffic: the Pulaski Bridge. IDK where the regular traffic is supposed to go, + the B32 & B62 buses, although this would kill the B32. They took away a lane for bikes, now 2 more for "Light Rail".Streetcars sound like an ancient concept. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 3 20:40:26 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Feb 3 20:38:49 2016. I suppose the side streets. That oughta get interesting. NYC is really an anti-vehicle town and given the crowding, I can understand it. Now all they need to do is build more transit to the areas that have none and it might work. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Feb 3 20:51:41 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Feb 3 20:38:49 2016. No reason the light rail can't share lanes with cars, if only on the bridge. |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Wed Feb 3 21:09:36 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by AlM on Wed Feb 3 19:39:28 2016. exactly! Thank you! |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Feb 3 23:10:49 2016, in response to DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by AlM on Wed Feb 3 18:33:18 2016. The de Blasio streetcars would travel about 12 miles per hour, with a trip between Greenpoint and Dumbo in Brooklyn lasting around 27 minutes, less than current routes on buses and subways.The average riding time for Citibike from Greenpoint to Dumbo is 26.8 minutes with a standard deviation of 4.75 minutes. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Feb 3 23:12:48 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by AlM on Wed Feb 3 19:39:28 2016. It is so depressing that because the oligarchs have sequestered most of the money we have to debate which useful projects tofund instead of all of them. ALL non rail served areas should get extensions. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Feb 3 23:25:46 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by AlM on Wed Feb 3 19:39:28 2016. With the exception of Hallets Cove in Astoria and Red Hook in Brooklyn, the entire area is already within 1/2 mile of an existing subway station. |
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Re: DeBlasio to propose Brooklyn-Queens streetcar line |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Feb 3 23:48:41 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by AlM on Wed Feb 3 19:39:28 2016. The E to Queens Village? |
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Posted by Kevin from Midwood on Wed Feb 3 23:53:44 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Feb 3 23:10:49 2016. What's the average time spent showering and changing clothes after arriving at one's destination by bicycle during the summer? |
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Posted by WillD on Thu Feb 4 03:12:27 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by Kevin from Midwood on Wed Feb 3 23:53:44 2016. I'm not sure why this is such a recurring theme around here whenever bicycling is mentioned. I've never thought it was a big deal. In the middle of August you might sweat on a bike, but you'd sweat standing at a bus stop or walking to or from your destination anyway. It's not like you're going to ride a Citibike as though you're in the Tour de France, and if you're biking then there's almost always a breeze to keep you at least slightly cool. |
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Re: DeBlasio to propose incredibly-expensive streetcar line |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Feb 4 03:42:58 2016, in response to DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by AlM on Wed Feb 3 18:33:18 2016. Groan. Only because $156 million per mile (that's 56 percent higher than the average per-mile cost of HBLR) is less than $400 million per mile (which used to get you a four-track main line in the past). This would make the project the most expensive streetcar in the nation in terms of capital cost. (Portland Streetcar and similar projects work out to about $10 million per mile.) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Feb 4 03:47:47 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Feb 3 23:10:49 2016. Average speed of 9.8 mph proposed for this trolley between those two points. Worth $156 million per mile? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Feb 4 03:49:55 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose incredibly-expensive streetcar line, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Feb 4 03:42:58 2016. New York City ain't rural Pennsylvania, or Central Mootown ... construction requires working around a LOT of other infrastructure and other high costs. New York City ain't Portland either. Laying track through nowhere is cheap. Building around an already existing place is expensive. The price, given the mileage is chickenfeed. Try digging a subway, or building a steam locomotive bridge over the Hudson and cost it up. |
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Re: DeBlasio to propose incredibly-expensive streetcar line |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Thu Feb 4 04:06:09 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose incredibly-expensive streetcar line, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Feb 4 03:49:55 2016. Good post. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Feb 4 04:17:10 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose incredibly-expensive streetcar line, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Thu Feb 4 04:06:09 2016. Don't mind me, I'm just getting tired of the incredibly stupid "conservative mindset" which believes somehow that cities are just like the sticks, only taller. :-\ |
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Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line |
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Posted by zac on Thu Feb 4 06:33:44 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by WillD on Thu Feb 4 03:12:27 2016. As a cyclist and citi-cyclist, I can tell you that there is a big difference between standing around on a hot steamy day, and riding a bike on a hot steamy day, and an even bigger difference when it isn't hot and steamy. You WILL get sweaty. That breeze does nothing to keep you cool as the work you expend to create that breeze far exceeds the breeze's ability to cool you.The effort to ride a citibike is even greater than a regular bike. I'd rather be riding my carbon fiber road bike up a mountain than riding a citibike on a level street. And fugheddaboud riding a citibike uphill. Every rise and fall of the street feels like Mt Everest. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Feb 4 07:04:32 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Feb 3 23:25:46 2016. So what ? The subway lines are all east/west/Manhattan focused. They can't get you north/south along the waterfront. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Feb 4 07:05:44 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Feb 3 20:38:49 2016. Only in NY. They are sprouting up all over the country. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Feb 4 07:07:15 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Feb 3 23:10:49 2016. Nobody is going to commute on a bike every day in all sorts of weather for that distance. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Feb 4 08:27:26 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by Joe V on Thu Feb 4 07:04:32 2016. They can't get you north/south along the waterfront.They can't get you north/south along the Manhattan waterfront either. You go in from the waterfront a few blocks, hop on the subway, and when you get out you head back to the waterfront. There can't possibly be transit from every location to every location. The East River eastern shore strikes me as a very low priority place to put new transit. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Feb 4 08:35:43 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by AlM on Thu Feb 4 08:27:26 2016. Yes, but Manhattan is not that big. Not having a North south Waterfront line is no biggie. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Feb 4 09:51:50 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Feb 3 18:54:35 2016. Hear Here! |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Feb 4 10:21:26 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Feb 4 08:35:43 2016. Huh?Typical distance from G to waterfront is roughly the same as typical distance from Lexington Ave line to waterfront. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Feb 4 11:43:24 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose incredibly-expensive streetcar line, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Feb 4 03:49:55 2016. New York City ain't (insert place other than NYC here)Yes; it's zillions of times more corrupt. When even LA can make "light rail" for far cheaper than the new "streetcar" version, you know things are irredeemably bad. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Feb 4 11:52:44 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Feb 3 20:17:41 2016. BUMP |
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Posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Thu Feb 4 12:08:41 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Feb 3 20:38:49 2016. Yea, but looking at videos of the streetcar's that ran in and around Brooklyn did a great job and that's all that counts. Karl |
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Re: DeBlasio to propose incredibly-expensive streetcar line |
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Posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Thu Feb 4 12:17:01 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose incredibly-expensive streetcar line, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Feb 4 03:49:55 2016. It could be cheaper, by looking at those artists paintings it dosed't appear to have overhead power wires maybe battery power which would cut down the construction cost significantly. Karl |
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Posted by ntrainride on Thu Feb 4 12:20:46 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by AlM on Wed Feb 3 19:11:31 2016. i'm curious, has ridership gone up on the crosstown line, considering all the new interest in many of the neighborhoods it passes through? |
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Re: DeBlasio to propose Brooklyn-Queens streetcar line |
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Posted by ntrainride on Thu Feb 4 12:26:04 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose Brooklyn-Queens streetcar line, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Feb 3 23:48:41 2016. hell...f to hook creek blvd. or to lynbrook station. think regionally.. |
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Re: DeBlasio to propose incredibly-expensive streetcar line |
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Posted by ntrainride on Thu Feb 4 12:32:33 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose incredibly-expensive streetcar line, posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Thu Feb 4 12:17:01 2016. convert the b61 to an electric trolleybus. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Feb 4 12:34:30 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose incredibly-expensive streetcar line, posted by ntrainride on Thu Feb 4 12:32:33 2016. They'll probably charge about $100 million per mile just to do that, these days. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Feb 4 12:35:07 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose incredibly-expensive streetcar line, posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Thu Feb 4 12:17:01 2016. No; the costs stated are not being reduced. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Feb 4 12:38:47 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose Brooklyn-Queens streetcar line, posted by ntrainride on Thu Feb 4 12:26:04 2016. FRA says "no". |
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Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Feb 4 12:39:35 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Feb 3 20:38:49 2016. Streetcars sound like an ancient conceptBuses are just as old. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Feb 4 12:42:06 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Feb 3 20:17:41 2016. The man appears to have his head in the sand when it comes to realty many issues. |
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Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Feb 4 12:43:49 2016, in response to Re: DeBlasio to propose light rail line, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Feb 4 12:42:06 2016. Realty? |
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