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Posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 29 11:00:49 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by zac on Tue Dec 29 10:41:42 2015. I have thought of turning back half the F's in the AM rush back at 2nd Avenue rather than run to Brooklyn. But then, there is probably no room with all the regular F's and M's coming up from Brooklyn at the same time competing for space northbound on the 6th Avenue local.The IND was never set up to short turn much in Manhattan or downtown Brooklyn. |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Tue Dec 29 11:06:28 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Dec 28 18:53:51 2015. The 179s plot train won't arrive until like a year after Dec 2016 though. And we all know how long it takes for plot trains to test before the other cars arrive. So if the line is completed in Dec 2016 it could possibly sit idle for two and a half years before they have enough cars!The condition of the stations would deteriorate do to lack of use, graffiti artists tagging up the stations, etc. If they decide to keep the line closed until there's enough cars they should least out the stations to film studios and such, since filming studios can't use Fulton/Broad on the J anymore. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 29 11:06:39 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Tue Dec 29 10:57:34 2015. Assuming all Q's go to SAS, and all N go to Astoria, how many trainsets would a W between Astoria and Canal Street Local take ? |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Dec 29 11:12:41 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 29 11:06:39 2015. Doesn't matter what the other lines do. Set a frequency for the W, and you can easily figure out the number of sets round trip. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Dec 29 11:15:48 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Tue Dec 29 11:06:28 2015. What a major embarrassment to have only a portion of a practically century-old project complete and not have the cars to run on it. The SAS would probably go down as the most worked on and documented transit project in history never to be used! |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 29 11:19:13 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Dec 29 11:12:41 2015. 34 minutes running time, 12 minute intervals, would mean about 7 train sets.If sending the Q to SAS rather than Astoria saves 2 sets, they need another 5 sets. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 29 11:20:27 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Dec 29 11:15:48 2015. Look at it this way: they waited 60 years, they can wait another 2. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Dec 29 12:44:22 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by AlM on Tue Dec 29 09:32:27 2015. Demands Change, and how do you know what the demands will be. Certainly they will be as you say IF you send only one train us Second Avenue, since that frequency cannot compete with the Lexington Avenue Line. So if the idea was to relive congestion on the Lex, there must be at least equal service on the Second. Ergo the (Q) and the (N) will have to go there.Even if they do not, the (N) can run local in Queens, and there switch to the 63rd Street tunnel, leaving only the (R) to Astoria via the 60th Street tunnel. This will also put 3/4 or the service across the bridge if that is what you want, but I think not. You say many people do not want downtown Manhattan, but I do not know about that. The overall consideration is not speed or convenience for individual travelers, but for balanced service on the railroad. 1/2 this way and 1/2 that way makes the whole railroad run faster. That ride across the bridge is not all that fast: I used to ride it every day. And the proof of my story is that I passed up the (F) train at Bergen two blocks south of my home for the QB train at DeKalb maybe six or more blocks from my home because of the more frequent service. And Bridge or tunnel, it is faster than the Rutgers Tunnel. BTW 34th Street was my destination so (F) or (QB) et al had more frequency. I can foresee a situation where people living on Second Avenue my still take the Lexington over the Second if the frequency is not there. ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Dec 29 12:54:15 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 29 08:14:26 2015. A long journey on the BMT? It will be an EXPRESS train, not a Local, and you can cross platform at 14th St fro the Lower Broadway Lion.Besides, how many people want midtown instead of downtown. Door to door express service, that is what that is! ROAR |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 29 12:57:37 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Dec 29 12:44:22 2015. You are not going to divert everyone and their uncle off the Lex onto the SAS don't matter how often it runs, and that is what you will have to do to justify sending all those to 96th. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Dec 29 12:58:17 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 29 11:19:13 2015. LION runs 10 train sets on the railroad of him. 4 on the express lines and 6 on the local between 242 and SF which at a 20 minute round trip is very sufficient.ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Dec 29 13:00:08 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Dec 29 11:15:48 2015. Didn't we buy the R-11s to run on that line? Where are they?ROAR |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 29 13:02:17 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Dec 29 12:54:15 2015. All it will get are the 59th Street transfers off the Lex.There is not much difference between the BMT express and local as far as 34th, and it is a schlep that far. Headed to Wall Street ? Sweat out a transfer to a local at 14th. Maybe it will come in 10 or 20 or 30 minutes, maybe it won't. Then there are more jobs to commute to in Midtown east than Midtown west. Might as well take the Lex to begin with, not waste time shlepping to the west side, and have an express to Brooklyn Bridge. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Dec 29 13:06:12 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Dec 29 12:44:22 2015. at least equal service on the Second. Ergo the (Q) and the (N) will have to go there.Still not even close to equal service. I can foresee a situation where people living on Second Avenue my still take the Lexington over the Second if the frequency is not there. I can too, but I think you'll get enough people from York / 1st Aves who don't feel like walking all the way up to Lexington while 2nd is doable to justify the line. And even crosstown bus riders would probably happily get off at 2nd rather than Lexington if they can. Having direct Broadway access, and a cross-platform transfer for 6th Ave access (neither of which Lexington gives) is also attractive and will bring in its own clientele I think. This will be the first time one seat gets you from the UES to short distances from Columbus Circle, Times Square, Penn Station, the heart of 34th St, and more. But I would say even if SAS frequencies somehow exceeded Lexington, you still would only attract so many people, because few people north residing/working north of 96th are going to use SAS anyway. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 29 13:07:42 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Dec 29 13:00:08 2015. All 1 of them is left, now at 207th STreet |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Dec 29 13:35:03 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Dec 29 12:44:22 2015. The overall consideration is not speed or convenience for individual travelers, but for balanced service on the railroad.The major consideration is to have enough trains to get people where they are going. At this moment, lots of people use the 60th street tunnel, and about two thirds of them use it to get to Astoria. If you don't give them enough trains to all get to work there will be great misery and you will get fired from your job as chief NYCT route planner. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 29 13:38:49 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by AlM on Tue Dec 29 13:35:03 2015. Agree, but the R train is a disaster operationally at all times of the day and night and nobody get fired. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Tue Dec 29 14:22:48 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Dec 29 10:52:19 2015. The R-11's were supposed to run on 2nd Ave, had it been built after WWII. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 29 14:27:45 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Elkeeper on Tue Dec 29 14:22:48 2015. That claim doesn’t make sense. The R-11 was only ten cars. Had they decided to build a whole fleet of identical cars, they would have had a new contract, and thus a new R-number.And why is it that the failure to build the SAS, at the time, the reason for the failure to order a whole set of cars identical to the R-11? Why wouldn’t the SAS run cars more like the R-10 or something? If they decided not to order any more R-11 like cars? Why would that be any different if the SAS were built? Why would they SAS be filled with R-16s instead? |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 29 14:32:22 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 29 14:27:45 2015. Has SAS been built in the 1950's, there clearly would have been a far huger order for R16's. Thank God, that was nipped in the bud. |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Tue Dec 29 15:27:46 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 29 13:07:42 2015. it would be really packed if that was the only train! |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Dec 29 15:31:34 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by The silence on Mon Dec 28 21:24:47 2015. That’s been my whole point whenever I commented on such a move. The same situation could occur whenever the Ms are routed to 57/6 for weekend GOs. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Dec 29 15:42:23 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 29 13:02:17 2015. The prospect of being able to get a seat on a relatively empty train on the SAS rather than squeezing on a crowded train from the Bronx and standing. would probably be an attraction even if the trip may be a minute or 2 longer. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Dec 29 15:47:30 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Dec 29 07:52:28 2015. Your proposal ignores the fact that during a service disruption trains may have to use other than their normal routes. One of the points I make on this topic from time to time is the shortsightedness of the mTA planners in not connecting the local tracks to 63 St since the infrastructure for such a connection is already in place. That would allow for the possibility of turning trains at 57 St should the need arise. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Tue Dec 29 15:52:17 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Dec 29 07:52:28 2015. From a previous message:"BAD IDEA... You are diverting express trains to local tracks and vice versa, thus delaying the entire railroad.." I believe that there is some confusion about what I've proposed. Again my proposal for the new Second Avenue line was simple! As I said weeks or a few months ago, and repeated recently - I'd have the N & Q trains travel EXPRESS between 96th Street/Second Avenue, and their respective routes in Brooklyn to Coney Island. I said that I would revive the W-train as the full-time LOCAL from Astoria to Whitehall Street, with additional rush hour service from Canal Street/City Hall layup area, and the 9th Avenue station in Brooklyn. During the midnight hours, I'd have the W-train extended to Coney Island by the Sea Beach line - as the midnight hour LOCAL service - that connects to the R-midnight hour shuttle. Meaning that the Q and W would become the full-time 24/7/365 routes on the Broadaway line, with the Q-train as the full-time express, and W-train as the full-time local train. To me this removed complexity, and the switching between local and express tracks - hence speedier service. This time and as before there were questions about the numbers of subway cars needed for each proposed route, and how to shuffle trains among those routes. There were also questions & concerns that the MTA might just add service to the N-train route in order to have the same or similar frequent service Astoria needs. Wallyhorse had made suggestions that N-trains could be short-turned at 57th Street during the stream of N & Q trains to 96th Street. I objected to that idea because I felt it added un-needed complexity to what should be a simple set of operations - express trains stay express, and local trains remain local. (Granted under this scheme there would be merging/switching operations for the R and W trains, at the 11th Avenue Cut, Canal Street, Whitehall Street or 36th Street/9th Avenue - but that can not be helped, and is necessary.) I grant that I'm not good at making train schedules or figuring out the car requirements for various train services. I thought however the proposal that I made was clear, simple and not complex. I do not understand where the confusion came from. I also realize that the MTA will do what ever it is they are gonna do. Mike |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Dec 29 16:08:44 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by randyo on Tue Dec 29 15:42:23 2015. Agreed. The SAS will be wildly popular. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Dec 29 16:28:52 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 29 14:32:22 2015. Regardless of what the contract number might have been, any large car order would have had what was then state of the art for the respective electrical manufacturers. Even if a large order of cars identical to the R-11 were made, they might very well have suffered from the same problems as the R-16s It’s interesting that the R-17s through 22s on the IRT which had the same electrical components as the R-16d didn’t seem to suffer from the same problems unless they were and it just wasn’t publicized as much. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Dec 29 16:42:44 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by italianstallion on Tue Dec 29 16:08:44 2015. Not only that, but I suspect that much of the ridership will come from the 2 Av bus route. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Dec 29 16:45:32 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Michael549 on Tue Dec 29 15:52:17 2015. Why would you extend the W to CI via the Sea beach when by your own service plan.you have the N running there? |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Dec 29 16:47:16 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by randyo on Tue Dec 29 16:42:44 2015. That bus carries an absolute maximum of 1,000 people per hour (50 passengers every 3 minutes). Not enough to make for major subway ridership. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Dec 29 17:33:01 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by randyo on Tue Dec 29 15:42:23 2015. The prospect of being able to get a seat on a relatively empty train on the SAS rather than squeezing on a crowded train from the Bronx and standing.That scenario would violate the MTA's policy of reducing service to guarantee uniform passenger load levels throughout the system. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 29 17:39:48 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Dec 29 17:33:01 2015. To get to that, I think we need to run SAS no more often than every half hour. |
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Posted by Shiznit1987 on Tue Dec 29 18:15:44 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Dec 29 07:52:28 2015. Agreed. It's really very simple:N/Q: Coney Island to 96st/2nd ave via Bridge/Bdway express all times except nights. R: current route/service W: Astoria to 9th ave, Bklyn all times |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 29 18:24:09 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Shiznit1987 on Tue Dec 29 18:15:44 2015. Back to reality: no equipment, that's the issue, and that requires about 20 more train sets with 9th Avenue thrown in as well as N to over-serve 96th while W has to be pumped up to compensate for Astoria. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Tue Dec 29 19:17:15 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by randyo on Tue Dec 29 16:45:32 2015. From a previous message:"Why would you extend the W to CI via the Sea beach when by your own service plan.you have the N running there?" Because the N-train would STOP running during the midnight hours! Just like the full-length R-train stops running midnight hours (except for its midnight-hour Brooklyn shuttle segment). During the midnight hours, I'd have the W-train extended to Coney Island by the Sea Beach line - as the midnight hour LOCAL service - that connects to the R-midnight hour shuttle. Basically, I'd have the Q & W as the full-time trains, when the N & R trains only run until midnight, with the W-train as the midnight hour all local train. For the past few decades, whatever route served Astoria was the usual midnight hour service - that would remain in effect. If I did not state that in the summary, that idea was present when I first presented the idea a while ago. Mike |
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Posted by qveensboro_plaza on Tue Dec 29 20:09:14 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 29 13:02:17 2015. I think 2nd Avenue riders for Wall Street will take the Q express to Canal Street, then go upstairs for the J/Z to the financial district, which would be faster, as well as more direct, than changing to the R at 14th Street. |
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Posted by VictorM on Tue Dec 29 20:56:28 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 29 11:19:13 2015. Those four 10 car R179 sets were to provide the extra equipment but who knows when they will arrive. |
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Posted by VictorM on Tue Dec 29 21:08:17 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 29 13:02:17 2015. For Wall St simply take the Q to Canal St and change there for a Broad St bound J or Z. They stop at Broad and Wall which could hardly be more convenient. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Tue Dec 29 22:30:34 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Tue Dec 29 10:57:34 2015. If one train set were used, it could stay on one track (no need to relay), most likely on the upper level in the morning and the lower level in the evening so as to be a cross-platform transfer in the rush direction. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Dec 29 22:41:39 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by VictorM on Tue Dec 29 21:08:17 2015. Yes, it makes sense but it would require reeducation for the finance crowd. |
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Posted by R30A on Tue Dec 29 22:47:04 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 29 18:24:09 2015. W would have to be 15 TPH or so split roughly evenly between Whitehall and 9th ave. We don't have enough trains for the base SAS service as it is! |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Dec 30 04:02:36 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Michael549 on Tue Dec 29 19:17:15 2015. For years the mTA has been trying to provide the most consistent 24 hour service patterns possible and you want to louse it up by adding a service that doesn’t even fit into the established line naming patterns? the N belongs as the Sea Beach 24/7 period!!! If any service were to be part time it should be the W. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Dec 30 11:06:13 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 29 13:38:49 2015. LION would change that. Where does the (R) fall down but on Queens Blvd. LION would send the (R) to Astoria, and would stuff as many consists on that line as it can manage. Flood the Bway LCL with (R) Trains. Maybe short turn every 4th train at Whitehall. Short turn other 4th trains at 9th Avenue LL. So only 1/2 of them get to go all the way to 95th Street.White hall cannot turn more trains than this since it would jam the line with waiting trains. Send alternate short turns to 9th. KEEP THE LINE FLUID yes, cut the number or train sets needed with the short terns. LINE needs an Astoria Extension to the Con Ed plant. Yes the peeps will bitch, so buy them a small female dog and let them doodle with it. The extension will be a single non-revenue track in the middle of the road casting minuscule shadow on the ground and running so quietly, they will not even know that a train is passing. Obviously the trains will run slowly, and there will be layup for 8 to 12 trains at the Con Ed Yard. An elevated yard with Con Ed still using the ground level and mayhap selling the air rights above the yard for development. Sure their plant is an eyesore, but by the time the structure rises above the ground, the yard, and the parking levels you are left with primo space for high class development. (AD it isa short walk to the subway at Ditmas.! Lay up and do light maintenance at 9th/36 and you have the PERFECT BROADWAY LOCAL. You can even discontinue BMT service on the Queensboro, what the heck is *that* needed for anyway! It is NOT. All of those stations can be served by the (E) and the (F)! Give it increased (M) service and let it go at that! ROAR |
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Posted by Michael549 on Wed Dec 30 12:37:33 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by randyo on Wed Dec 30 04:02:36 2015. From a previous message:"The N belongs as the Sea Beach 24/7 period!!! If any service were to be part time it should be the W." I believe that each of us is capable of making a proposal, and testing the waters - the considered opinions of fellow transit fans. I also believe that little or maybe a small amount of what ever is said here actually influences the day to day or policy making aspects of the MTA. The floor is always open to various discussions, and there have been some lively discussions. As I understand you would prefer that the N-train operate at all hours, especially on the Sea Beach portion. Me, I prefer that the N-train return to the Broadway line as an express. I'm sure that others have different ideas. If I may, it sounds like you might would maybe prefer the following scheme. Randyo Proposal #1: Q-Train - 96th Street to Coney Island via Broadway Express & Brighton line local (24/7/365). N-Train - Astoria to Coney Island rush hours Broadway Express & usual Fourth Avenue express & Sea Beach local (usual midnight hour all local Queens/Manhattan/Brooklyn). R-Train - Forest Hills to 95th Street/Bay Ridge via 6am to midnight hours Queens Blvd / Broadway / Fourth Avenue Local (with midnight hours Brooklyn shuttle, the basic current operation) W-Train - Astoria to Whitehall Street - RUSH HOURS - via Broadway local. Of course the claim that there few subway cars available to realize any of these ideas remains a concern. Mike |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Dec 30 15:58:39 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Michael549 on Wed Dec 30 12:37:33 2015. Actually, what you call “Randyo Proposal #1” is probably exactly what the MTA is going to do with the only possible difference being that they might want to run the W all day either till just after the PM rush or till about 1100PM the hours the Q currently runs there now. Once the peak period car requirements are me, what happens during the off peak is inconsequential. Another possibility might be to have selected W trains turning at Qns Plaza at least in the AM which would be able to pick up the load transferring from the #7 and also save a couple of trainsets. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Dec 30 16:20:41 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Dec 30 11:06:13 2015. Not politically doable. Direct Bway service to Qns Blvd has been a staple since 1956 when it first started and the time span of the service has increased over the years. It is just as important as the 6 and 8 Av corridors. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Dec 30 17:51:12 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Michael549 on Wed Dec 30 12:37:33 2015. (Q) 96th Street / Second Ave via BWAY EXP (Bridge) Brighton Local 24/7(N) 96th Street / Second Ave via BWAY EXP (Bridge) Sea Beach 16/7 (R) Astoria BWAY LCL (Tunnel) 4th Avenue Local to 95th St 24/7 (W) 71st Street Queens/Bway LCL via Tunnel to 9th Ave LL 16/5 ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Dec 30 17:51:16 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Michael549 on Wed Dec 30 12:37:33 2015. (Q) 96th Street / Second Ave via BWAY EXP (Bridge) Brighton Local 24/7(N) 96th Street / Second Ave via BWAY EXP (Bridge) Sea Beach 16/7 (R) Astoria BWAY LCL (Tunnel) 4th Avenue Local to 95th St 24/7 (W) 71st Street Queens/Bway LCL via Tunnel to 9th Ave LL 16/5 ROAR |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Dec 30 18:08:15 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by Andrew Saucci on Tue Dec 29 22:30:34 2015. Easiest thing to do without slashing service elsewhere is to run a 96th-57th Street 300' OPTO Shuttle every 10 minutes. Blame it on the R179 late delivery. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Dec 30 18:09:45 2015, in response to Re: W to Astoria/N and Q to 96th Street?, posted by qveensboro_plaza on Tue Dec 29 20:09:14 2015. J/Z is at least reliable.For the R, pack a sandwich, a thermos, and wear comfortable shoes. |
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