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Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout

Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Nov 25 13:05:13 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 25 12:07:35 2015.

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LOL

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Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout

Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Nov 25 13:05:40 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Nov 25 12:03:22 2015.

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You've said a lot of things you shouldn't say on a train forum. So why stop now?

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Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout

Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Nov 25 13:18:05 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Nov 25 12:27:19 2015.

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Ignorance of what? That there was another blackout in 2013?
Yes. Or that people would know which blackout you are talking about.

I wasn't ignorant of that at all. Of course i remember it. I lived through that one as well.
Your post made it seem like you were ignorant of it, or at least ignorant of the fact that not everyone agrees that that one was "the big northeast blackout".

I just made thhe post about the first blackout because it was the 50th anniversary but neglected to use the word "first". I never said anything about it being the only blackout. So there was no reason for any ribbing.
Yes, your error, if that's the real explanation, would also be grounds for ribbing.

And the language he used was not a "light ribbing" but accusatory which was why I responded in the harsh manner I did.
Wrong. The language he used was very much in fact "light ribbing." Harsh language would be completely different. Accusatory language can be part of the light ribbing. Your "harsh language" response was uncalled for*. You completely misunderstood the situation.

*I wouldn't call your uncalled for response "harsh language"", but if you want to call it that, then that's your call.

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Re: Dorothy Kilgallen

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Nov 25 13:28:15 2015, in response to Re: Dorothy Kilgallen, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Nov 25 11:55:38 2015.

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Didn't know that either. You read it somewhere I presume.

Yes; the link I posted farther up the thread with the actual quote from the Assistant Medical Examiner, who did not use the word "likely."

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Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout

Posted by Mitch45 on Wed Nov 25 14:17:40 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Nov 18 17:19:57 2015.

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My wife's grandmother lived in Forest Hills in the 1950's and her exchange was LI - for Liggett. My grandparents lived in Boro Park in the '60s and '70s and their exchange was GE - for Gedney.

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Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout

Posted by Dyre Dan on Wed Nov 25 15:07:36 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 23 22:35:36 2015.

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A logical person accepts what he sees evidence for. Fifty years ago, western scientists said that acupuncture was complete nonsense, because there was simply no method anyone could imagine by which it might work. Eventually, enough people put that preconception aside and looked objectively at whether it did work or not, regardless of how, and today no one doubts that it does work.

I have had enough experiences of things that I saw in dreams or daydreams/visions coming true in specific detail that I do not doubt the reality of the phenomenon. How such a thing can be, I don't know. It doesn't fit the accepted scientific paradigm, but it happens nevertheless. Maybe something to do with quantum entanglement (something else that no one would have believed could exist a century or so ago), maybe not.

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Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout

Posted by AlM on Wed Nov 25 15:23:42 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Dyre Dan on Wed Nov 25 15:07:36 2015.

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It may also be coincidence. You dream so many things and some come true.




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Re: Dorothy Kilgallen - Atlantic Av/Avenue elevator

Posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Wed Nov 25 16:51:04 2015, in response to Re: Dorothy Kilgallen - Atlantic Av/Avenue elevator, posted by northshore on Tue Nov 24 21:47:30 2015.

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Your jokes are about as funny as your face but thanks anyway for the laugh.

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Re: Dorothy Kilgallen - Atlantic Av/Avenue elevator

Posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Wed Nov 25 16:51:55 2015, in response to Re: Dorothy Kilgallen - Atlantic Av/Avenue elevator, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Nov 25 11:58:51 2015.

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Thanks BB. I hope they caught here killer and cut his balls off.

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Re: Dorothy Kilgallen - Atlantic Av/Avenue elevator

Posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Wed Nov 25 16:51:55 2015, in response to Re: Dorothy Kilgallen - Atlantic Av/Avenue elevator, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Nov 25 11:58:51 2015.

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Thanks BB. I hope they caught here killer and cut his balls off.

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Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 25 18:19:26 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Dyre Dan on Wed Nov 25 15:07:36 2015.

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Acupuncture is a placebo. It works just like any other placebo. So speak for yourself when you say "no one doubts."

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Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 25 18:20:12 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by AlM on Wed Nov 25 15:23:42 2015.

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Excellent post. Coincidences actually happen. It's just that humans like to find patterns in things where there are no patterns.

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Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout

Posted by AlM on Wed Nov 25 18:46:45 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 25 18:20:12 2015.

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My favorite coincidence is this one.

There is a married couple living upstairs; my wife and are are good friends with them. My father died on her birthday. My mother died on his birthday.

Obviously, this couple is not safe to be around, right? That's a 1/365 times 1/365 probability.




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Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout

Posted by AlM on Wed Nov 25 18:50:02 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 25 18:19:26 2015.

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Reputable researchers, who published in a peer-reviewed journal, disagree with you.

The researchers, who published their results in Archives of Internal Medicine, found that acupuncture outperformed sham treatments and standard care when used by people suffering from osteoarthritis, migraines and chronic back, neck and shoulder pain.



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Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout

Posted by R30A on Wed Nov 25 18:53:38 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by AlM on Wed Nov 25 18:46:45 2015.

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You both better watch out on their children's birthdays!

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Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 25 18:59:53 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by AlM on Wed Nov 25 18:50:02 2015.

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I can't open the link. The description is unconvincing, though. After all, I never doubted that placebos work.

https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/can-we-finally-just-say-that-acupuncture-is-nothing-more-than-an-elaborate-placebo/

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Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout

Posted by AlM on Wed Nov 25 19:10:28 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 25 18:59:53 2015.

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My article refers to the same study of 18,000 cases.

Your article is so much harder to read. All those numbers! :)



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Re: Dorothy Kilgallen - Atlantic Av/Avenue elevator

Posted by northshore on Wed Nov 25 19:33:18 2015, in response to Re: Dorothy Kilgallen - Atlantic Av/Avenue elevator, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Wed Nov 25 16:51:55 2015.

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The murderer could have been a woman.

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Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout

Posted by Dyre Dan on Fri Nov 27 09:49:33 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 25 18:19:26 2015.

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Acupuncture works on animals, it is certainly not a placebo. Surgical procedures have been carried out using acupuncture as the only anesthetic. It is also used for other purposes by some veterinarians (see https://www.ivas.org/about-ivas/what-is-veterinary-acupuncture/). Placebo effects don't work on animals.

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Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 27 09:55:50 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Dyre Dan on Fri Nov 27 09:49:33 2015.

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How do you know if acupuncture works on non-human animals? Did you ask them?

Not only is that link from an unreliable source, it doesn't actually show any of its claims. Are there any examples of successful trials of non-human animal acupuncture? That link shows none.

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Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 27 09:56:44 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Dyre Dan on Fri Nov 27 09:49:33 2015.

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Also, thanks for the response. I wanted to bump my post but decided to wait until after Thanksgiving.

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Re: Dorothy Kilgallen

Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Nov 27 16:25:38 2015, in response to Re: Dorothy Kilgallen, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 25 12:06:28 2015.

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Figures.

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Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout

Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Nov 27 16:36:31 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by AlM on Wed Nov 25 18:46:45 2015.

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I have a coincidence also.

I wondered for 20 years what happened to a friend from high school. Finally I was able to locate him. I will spare you those details. After speaking with him for a while I learned that the person he used to have an adjacent cubicle from him was my next door neighbor! It gets better.

It also turned out that someone I worked with for about ten years (though not in the same office) used to be his next door neighbor! So i could have asked my next door neighbor and he could have asked his neighbor and we would have found each other. I wonder what those odds are.

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Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout

Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Nov 27 16:37:11 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by AlM on Wed Nov 25 15:23:42 2015.

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Everything can't be attributed to coincidences.

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Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout

Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Nov 27 16:38:34 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 25 18:59:53 2015.

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You just won't believe anything you don't want to believe no matter what the evidence. As I said, closed mind.

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Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout

Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Nov 27 16:41:27 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 24 23:38:31 2015.

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I don't live here and read every single post like you do because you don't have a life.

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Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout

Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Nov 27 16:47:31 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Nov 25 13:18:05 2015.

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I said today is the fiftieth anniversary of the big northeast blackout which was a perfectly true statement, regardless of any other blackouts. I didn't mention others because there was no need to. Your assumption that I didn't know about the others was erroneous and totally ridiculous.

If someone posted today is the centennial of the BMT, would you assume he never heard of the IRT or IND? Of course not. This is the same thing.

And if someone states a fact as I did, and someone else incorrectly states the fact was incorrect like R 30 did, that is not light ribbing. He is calling me a liar or misrepresenting the truth either through ignorance or on purpose.

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Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout

Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Nov 27 16:53:01 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Nov 24 13:44:02 2015.

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Saying No it happened 12 years ago, is disputing the fact that one happened fifty years ago.

That is exactly what happened and I am not making up any shit.

If he stated there also was one 12 years ago, he would merely been adding info and there would have been nothing wrong with that. But by using the word "No", makes his statement incorrect, while mine was fully correct.

And he knows it because he hasn't participated in this discussion to correct anything.



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Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 27 17:47:08 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Nov 27 16:37:11 2015.

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Why the hell not?

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Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 27 17:47:48 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Nov 27 16:36:31 2015.

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So what? Did God do all of this for some reason?

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Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 27 17:49:49 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Nov 27 16:38:34 2015.

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No, I don't believe anything for which there is no evidence but for fantasy. I'm not a gullible fool.

If I told you unicorns exist, would you believe me? If not, then you have a closed mind.

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Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 27 17:52:11 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Nov 27 16:53:01 2015.

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He's not participating in this thread because he must realize that engaging with a gullible idiot like you is a huge waste of time. That makes him smarter than me and Terrapin Station.

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Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout

Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Nov 27 21:11:49 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 27 17:52:11 2015.

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Is that all you and Terrapin can do is to call people who don't share your opinions idiots?That is the sign of an idiot.

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Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout

Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Nov 27 21:38:15 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 27 17:47:48 2015.

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Do you need an explanation for everything?

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Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 27 21:53:02 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Nov 27 21:11:49 2015.

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These aren't opinions, there are facts.

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Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 27 21:53:53 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Nov 27 21:38:15 2015.

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No, there is no explanation. It's just a coincidence. You are the one who thinks there's a pattern.

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Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout

Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Nov 28 14:22:23 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 27 21:53:53 2015.

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I agree it was a coincidence. You are obviously trying to get me to say something that woud continue an argument because you obviously have nothing better to do.

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Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Nov 28 14:47:44 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Nov 28 14:22:23 2015.

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You were the one who brought back the argument after it had been dormant for days.

And if you believe it's just a coincidence and that's there's no phenomenon, why would you post it as an example of unexplained phenomena?

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Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout

Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Nov 28 18:04:57 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Nov 27 16:41:27 2015.

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LOL! You have no idea of anything about my life. That's what makes it so funny, considering how much more successful I am than you! Anyhow, what does "reading every post" have to do with "opening your eyes and looking at the forum index" to see who he is?????? Why are you so dense????

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Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout

Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Nov 28 18:07:42 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Nov 27 16:47:31 2015.

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No, it was not perfectly true, since there were other blackouts.

No, I didn't make that assumption.

No, that is an invalid comparison as the different subway companies are clearly different.

No, he was lightly ribbing you, as we have repeatedly told you. It's s thing people do on the Internet. You'd know that if you were rational and if you weren't stuck in the Stone Age.

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Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout

Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Nov 28 18:30:22 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Nov 28 18:07:42 2015.

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It was 50 years since the big northeast blackout which is what it was called at the time so the statement is perfectly true.

Similarly if someone said last year today is 100 years since The Great War (or the World War) that would still be a true statement today even though there was another world war 27 years later.

I didn't say you didn't make that assumption regarding BMT. I said you wouldn't make that assumption. At least quote me correctly.

Correcting someone, accusing him of being incorrect is not light ribbing by any definition.

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Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout

Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Nov 28 19:15:38 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 27 21:53:02 2015.

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Truth.

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Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout

Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Nov 28 19:18:43 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Nov 27 16:53:01 2015.

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Wrong. I've already explained all this to you.

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Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout

Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Nov 28 21:42:15 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Nov 28 18:30:22 2015.

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Wrong wrong wrong and wrong. You didn't even understand what I just wrote. Come on the Billy Holiday Express tomorrow on the A and we'll talk.

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Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout

Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Nov 29 10:23:41 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Nov 28 14:47:44 2015.

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I brought it back after days because I don't spend my entire life here.

Also I posted it as a coincidence after someone else posted another coincidence. If you want to call it "unexplained phenomena" that is your choice. I didn't say that.

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Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout

Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Nov 29 10:26:46 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 27 17:47:08 2015.

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Okay let's say it is just a coincidence that a high percentage of smokers die from lung cancer and there is no connection between the two. Would you agree with that? Of course not. There comes a point where it can't be coincidence anymore.

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Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout

Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Nov 29 10:30:15 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 27 17:49:49 2015.

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And what would you consider evidence? Would the thousands of reports of alien abductions be "evidence" to you or are every single one of those people crazy or the thousands of people who believe in UFOs because they witnessed them and they are still unexplained?

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Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout

Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Nov 29 10:32:36 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Nov 28 18:04:57 2015.

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Thanks for giving me my laugh for the day saying you are more successful than I am.

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Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout

Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Nov 29 10:34:06 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Nov 28 21:42:15 2015.

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I understood exactly what you said. Are you going to start talking in circles again.

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Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout

Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Nov 29 10:35:29 2015, in response to Re: Today is fifty years since the big northeast blackout, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 27 21:53:02 2015.

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They are only facts when you can cite a source. I don't see sources for all of your and Terrapin's posts.

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