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Upgrade the remaining R-32s. |
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Posted by #3 West End Jeff on Sun Oct 18 01:00:54 2015 Now that the R-32s will remain in service until at least 2019, I suggest that they should be upgraded. They should have the robin's egg blue interior restored, but with modern specifications. The seats should be like those in the R-142s, R-143s, R-160s. They should have the modern electronic signs in the interiors and strip maps. The flip dot sign at the ends of the cars on the exterior should be replaced with the same type used on the R-142s, R-143s & R-160s. Then the running gear should be the same as in the R-142s, R-143s & R-160s. Then the cars should be arranged in 4 or 5 car sets instead of married pairs.#3 West End Jeff |
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Posted by pragmatist on Sun Oct 18 06:02:52 2015, in response to Upgrade the remaining R-32s., posted by #3 West End Jeff on Sun Oct 18 01:00:54 2015. Since the newer trains run AC traction systems, vs DC on the older, that is almost building a new car reusing the shell. I really like the R-32, but that is highly unlikely. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Oct 18 08:57:40 2015, in response to Re: Upgrade the remaining R-32s., posted by pragmatist on Sun Oct 18 06:02:52 2015. They sould be returned to their pre GOH splendor! |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Oct 18 09:37:36 2015, in response to Upgrade the remaining R-32s., posted by #3 West End Jeff on Sun Oct 18 01:00:54 2015. Not all will survive the R179 onslaught, only some. I would save them all however to send the R46 or R68 to SIR to replace that St Louis R44 junk over there. I noticed yesterday more structural body wear as they are capping over the rim around the top corners of the side doors.R32's need an interior paint job. 1988 was a long time ago. I do not think replacing that almost useless flip dot end signs 222 times with an LED would break the bank. I don't see what use there is in forming 4 car sets, not with their mediocre MDBF, as it would make matters worse. There bouncy ride can be corrected with new springs, which would not break the bank either. Beyond that, there is no point in doing anything else. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Oct 18 09:38:19 2015, in response to Re: Upgrade the remaining R-32s., posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Oct 18 08:57:40 2015. Does that mean ripping out the AC units ? |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sun Oct 18 10:26:33 2015, in response to Re: Upgrade the remaining R-32s., posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Oct 18 08:57:40 2015. Definitely for the museum pair (3352/3). The others, leave be for the little time they have remaining. |
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Posted by BMRR on Sun Oct 18 10:41:06 2015, in response to Re: Upgrade the remaining R-32s., posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Oct 18 08:57:40 2015. 3rd that! |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Oct 18 12:24:25 2015, in response to Re: Upgrade the remaining R-32s., posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Oct 18 08:57:40 2015. ...starting with removing that hideous front end bonnet digital destination route sign & return to the older style roll signs and the markers that were along side.Which, of course would have to made from scratch to include new routes & destinations. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Oct 18 12:56:22 2015, in response to Re: Upgrade the remaining R-32s., posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Oct 18 12:24:25 2015. A colorized, LED letter would work just fine. There is no way to get into the helmet any more for anything more complicated with that AC unit. |
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Posted by Jace on Sun Oct 18 14:39:35 2015, in response to Upgrade the remaining R-32s., posted by #3 West End Jeff on Sun Oct 18 01:00:54 2015. A whole raft of electronic signs would likely require a new auxiliary power supply as the existing system doesn't have sufficient capacity. Interiors are easy enough to fix but going to R160 type trucks would mean replacing the carbody bolster and most likely all of the end underframe. You'd be better off starting from scratch - the shells aren't worth that much.That said, the shells are in good shape so they may end up outlasting some of the R46s. They do need a mini-overhaul with upgrades to the doors, air conditioning, propulsion and auxiliary systems. The cars haven't maintained as needed to reliably run for another 5+ years. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Sun Oct 18 16:53:12 2015, in response to Upgrade the remaining R-32s., posted by #3 West End Jeff on Sun Oct 18 01:00:54 2015. This actually reminded me of something. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Oct 18 17:08:45 2015, in response to Re: Upgrade the remaining R-32s., posted by Joe V on Sun Oct 18 12:56:22 2015. Agreed! Anything would be an improvement. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Oct 18 19:36:57 2015, in response to Re: Upgrade the remaining R-32s., posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Oct 18 08:57:40 2015. I guess we should return the rust to the corners of the doors. That was one of the problems with the R 32s and why those little patches were added to every door frame. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Oct 18 19:40:55 2015, in response to Upgrade the remaining R-32s., posted by #3 West End Jeff on Sun Oct 18 01:00:54 2015. All the car classes were overhauled with the intention of there not being any further major overhauls. The G level Overhauls (or GOH if you prefer) did not happen over night. They took years of preparation. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Oct 18 19:46:28 2015, in response to Re: Upgrade the remaining R-32s., posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Oct 18 08:57:40 2015. I guess we should return the rust to the corners of the doors. That was one of the problems with the R 32s and why those little patches were added to every door frame. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Oct 18 20:47:38 2015, in response to Re: Upgrade the remaining R-32s., posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Oct 18 19:36:57 2015. I guess we shouldn't listen to you since you were fired. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Oct 18 20:47:45 2015, in response to Re: Upgrade the remaining R-32s., posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Oct 18 19:46:28 2015. I guess we shouldn't listen to you since you were fired. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Oct 18 20:48:10 2015, in response to Re: Upgrade the remaining R-32s., posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Oct 18 19:40:55 2015. If you're so smart then why'd you get fired? |
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Posted by displaced angeleno on Sun Oct 18 22:32:56 2015, in response to Re: Upgrade the remaining R-32s., posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Oct 18 20:48:10 2015. If the square root of a positive number can be either positive or negative, how do blueberries taste so good? |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sun Oct 18 22:44:18 2015, in response to Re: Upgrade the remaining R-32s., posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Oct 18 19:36:57 2015. You mean those patches at the bottom of the door frame? They were there for as long as I remember (i.e., since they were nearly new). |
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Posted by MTA T on Sun Oct 18 23:03:32 2015, in response to Re: Upgrade the remaining R-32s., posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Oct 18 20:48:10 2015. Because he ulu'd it |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Oct 18 23:05:17 2015, in response to Re: Upgrade the remaining R-32s., posted by MTA T on Sun Oct 18 23:03:32 2015. No, that's not why. LOL. |
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Posted by WillD on Mon Oct 19 02:24:17 2015, in response to Upgrade the remaining R-32s., posted by #3 West End Jeff on Sun Oct 18 01:00:54 2015. You *really* don't want to do that. Let them die with dignity. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Mon Oct 19 08:03:18 2015, in response to Re: Upgrade the remaining R-32s., posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Oct 18 20:48:10 2015. Brian, maybe it's not a good idea for you, in particular, to harp on the subject of his getting fired. People in glass houses, and all that.But if you know the actual reason, I'd be interested in what it was. The link you posted before didn't actually deal with the subject. |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Mon Oct 19 08:40:40 2015, in response to Re: Upgrade the remaining R-32s., posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Oct 18 19:36:57 2015. I guess we should return the rust to the corners of the doors. That was one of the problems with the R 32s and why those little patches were added to every door frame.I heard those braces weren't because of rust, but because of the the added weight due to the retrofitted A/C units. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by MTA T on Mon Oct 19 20:24:26 2015, in response to Re: Upgrade the remaining R-32s., posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Oct 18 23:05:17 2015. Word I agree. |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Tue Oct 20 08:12:12 2015, in response to Re: Upgrade the remaining R-32s., posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Oct 18 20:48:10 2015. Wasn't from a mail room |
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Posted by mcorivervsaf on Tue Oct 20 08:53:39 2015, in response to Re: Upgrade the remaining R-32s., posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Oct 18 20:48:10 2015. If you're so smart then why'd you get fired?Hypocrite. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Oct 20 13:05:09 2015, in response to Re: Upgrade the remaining R-32s., posted by Dyre Dan on Mon Oct 19 08:03:18 2015. Brian, maybe it's not a good idea for you, in particular, to harp on the subject of his getting fired. People in glass houses, and all that.I have no idea what you are talking about. Care you elaborate? But if you know the actual reason, I'd be interested in what it was.How could I know the actual reason if that's the question I'm asking? I don't think you understand what the issue is here. The issue is that BrooklynBus posts all kind of BS and many people here and on many other websites tell him, rightly so, that he is wrong. But he refuses to listen. Then he gets fired from a job where his entire job was writing about the topics that he talks about here. So if he's so smart and so correct about all those topics, then why did he get fired from his job that dealt 100% with those topics? The question is 100% relevant to this forum and appropriate for discussion. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Oct 20 13:05:39 2015, in response to Re: Upgrade the remaining R-32s., posted by BLE-NIMX on Tue Oct 20 08:12:12 2015. That doesn't even make any sense. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Oct 20 13:06:20 2015, in response to Re: Upgrade the remaining R-32s., posted by mcorivervsaf on Tue Oct 20 08:53:39 2015. First of all, not hypocritical at all.Second of all, LOL! |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Oct 20 16:16:21 2015, in response to Re: Upgrade the remaining R-32s., posted by Newkirk Images on Mon Oct 19 08:40:40 2015. In engineering terms, maybe it was a gusset? Makes sense , Bill Nekirk, ,if added weight was the issue. |
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Posted by mcorivervsaf on Tue Oct 20 16:28:33 2015, in response to Re: Upgrade the remaining R-32s., posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Oct 20 13:06:20 2015. Stop dodging the subject matter, and answer the question.If you can't answer that, then you're a hypocrite and a liar, as well. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Oct 20 18:22:23 2015, in response to Re: Upgrade the remaining R-32s., posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Oct 20 13:05:09 2015. >> I have no idea what you are talking about. Care you elaborate?Simply that attacking someone over his being fired was likely to bring responses like this one. Hence my referencing the proverb "People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones." >> How could I know the actual reason if that's the question I'm asking? How do you know that he was fired, and didn't quit? |
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Posted by #3 West End Jeff on Tue Oct 20 18:31:38 2015, in response to Re: Upgrade the remaining R-32s., posted by Joe V on Sun Oct 18 09:37:36 2015. Some upgrades to the R-32s would not be a bad idea.#3 West End Jeff |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Oct 20 23:26:16 2015, in response to Re: Upgrade the remaining R-32s., posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Oct 20 18:22:23 2015. Simply that attacking someone over his being firedHuh? Where/when did I do that? was likely to bring responses like this one. Hence my referencing the proverb "People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones."I have nothing against that response, other than it is incorrect. And how exactly does the glass houses and throwing stones apply to me, here? How do you know that he was fired, and didn't quit?Because he said so himself. Am I one to lie? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Oct 20 23:27:21 2015, in response to , posted by mcorivervsaf on Tue Oct 20 16:28:33 2015. Re: Upgrade the remaining R-32s. (1370208) |
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Posted by Outside the Box on Wed Oct 21 10:58:56 2015, in response to Re: Upgrade the remaining R-32s., posted by #3 West End Jeff on Tue Oct 20 18:31:38 2015. R32 could get a mini-makeover like the R36 WF. It would improve reliability.Remember the NYCTA experiments with hydraulic brakes and flywheels? The MTA could also use it as an opportunity to try out: Wheelsets with axle differentials, independent wheels, radial steering axles, linear eddy current brakes, magnetic track brakes. Modifing the ends of the married pairs to create enclosed vestibules. One of the car end doors would be kept open (but closable), while the other is closed and unlocked as an odor/smoke/fire door. Install experimental automatic people catchers to catch suicidal and wayward persons. Install local door controls to limit cooled air loss during the summer and heated air loss in winter. V2V communications as an alternate or backup to CBTC. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Oct 21 14:48:04 2015, in response to Re: Upgrade the remaining R-32s., posted by Outside the Box on Wed Oct 21 10:58:56 2015. Eddy current brakes were used on the GE equipped Multis and the Bluebird had track brakes which were briefly considered for the NTTs and for some reason rejected. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Wed Oct 21 17:25:13 2015, in response to Re: Upgrade the remaining R-32s., posted by Outside the Box on Wed Oct 21 10:58:56 2015. That's one thing I don't quite understand. Why hasn't the subway adopted enclosed vestibules for the car ends that are permanently or semi-permanently linked together? Railroads have been doing it for lord knows how many decades. At the very least, it'll deal with the danger of moving between cars. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Oct 21 18:12:23 2015, in response to Re: Upgrade the remaining R-32s., posted by randyo on Wed Oct 21 14:48:04 2015. Track brakes can be brutal on rail heads. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Oct 22 15:21:02 2015, in response to Re: Upgrade the remaining R-32s., posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Oct 21 18:12:23 2015. CTA doesn’t seem to mind. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Oct 22 15:47:56 2015, in response to Re: Upgrade the remaining R-32s., posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Oct 21 18:12:23 2015. Track brakes can be brutal on rail heads.Track brakes are emergency brakes. Their benefit is half the stopping distance over the anemic emergency braking NYCT currently uses. Were they installed on all equipment after their introduction on the Bluebirds, most subsequent rear end collisions would have been prevented. So too, would many deaths caused by trains running over people on the tracks. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Oct 22 18:29:54 2015, in response to Re: Upgrade the remaining R-32s., posted by randyo on Thu Oct 22 15:21:02 2015. Well yeah ... for most of the year, it takes the ice off the rails. :) |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Oct 22 20:06:57 2015, in response to Re: Upgrade the remaining R-32s., posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Oct 22 15:47:56 2015. IAWTP! |
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Posted by gOld_12th on Thu Oct 22 21:25:51 2015, in response to Re: Upgrade the remaining R-32s., posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Oct 20 13:05:39 2015. Mail boy |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Thu Oct 22 21:43:00 2015, in response to Re: Upgrade the remaining R-32s., posted by Outside the Box on Wed Oct 21 10:58:56 2015. I hope the R32's run for many years to come. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Oct 22 23:41:41 2015, in response to Re: Upgrade the remaining R-32s., posted by gOld_12th on Thu Oct 22 21:25:51 2015. Call girl |
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