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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Sep 9 05:34:11 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Sep 9 05:29:45 2015. Old timey republicans like us actually BELIEVE in government doing some useful stuff and actually believe it's useful and worthwhile. :) |
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Posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Wed Sep 9 11:03:05 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Sep 9 01:08:10 2015. Well you and others seem to get it. We need light rail badly in LA, and I wouldn't mind extension of the subway system either. Man, those freeways are hell to drive on. |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Wed Sep 9 16:16:23 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Sep 8 22:19:58 2015. Considering that if you're in that strip mall where the loop used to be, it's faster to get to Manhattan via LIRR the long way around with a connection in the middle, I'd say the subway is pretty darn slow. LIRR would shave quite a bit of time off of the trip, especially for people going towards midtown. |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Wed Sep 9 16:16:25 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Sep 8 22:40:34 2015. If you're going to sit in traffic on some stupid bus, you may as well drive your own car. MN and the subway are both more comfortable than some stupid bus. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Sep 9 16:40:58 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by ElectricTraction on Wed Sep 9 16:16:25 2015. The bus is still cheaper (ordinarily) and counts as public transit, easing congestion (as long as the bus is relatively full) and frees you up to do some reading or web-surfing that you couldn't ordinarily do legally while driving.I know. . .there's audiobooks. Here we go again with the breakdown in communication though. What exactly are we talking about? Right now, where there are long stretches without any kind of rail service, a bus or buses will often be faster between certain points, especially if it is a "crosstown" sort of service (like north-to-south in Eastern Queens). If public transit was more funded, however, and plenty more people were doing a particular trip, then rail service would probably be built as, yes, it is superior to bus service. But then it comes down to personal opinion after a while, like if I want to go between two points connected by a bus, I may take three trains instead because I feel like a smooth ride, even if I'm fairly sure the bus will arrive first. Or even if I have a car available (my own), I will sometimes go on a bus ride because I like the idea of sitting back, letting someone else handle the vehicle, and either looking out the window to notice things I wouldn't notice while driving, or reading or daydreaming or whatever. The way I think of it is that 30 minutes driving is 30 minutes lost focusing on the road, while 2 hours on the bus is 2 hours I was relaxing and enjoying myself. It's all about what you do during your commute. Obviously if you like blasting music in your car more than reading and looking out the window, you won't want the bus, but that doesn't make the bus intrinsically bad. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Sep 9 16:52:40 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by ElectricTraction on Wed Sep 9 16:16:23 2015. And the fact that more people probably still take the subway speaks to the economics of the area. What are the ridership stats for Mott Av vs LIRR Far Rock station anyway? |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Wed Sep 9 20:16:28 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by ElectricTraction on Tue Sep 8 16:12:28 2015. Oh please! It makes plenty of sense. And the A isn't THAT slow. It runs express in Brooklyn from Euclid to Hoyt-Schermerhorn (except when the C doesn't run). A potential M or R extension from Queens Blvd to the RBB would also provide a more direct (and possibly faster) option to Long Island City and east Midtown. LIRR doesn't even want to increase service to its existing Long Island City stations. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Sep 10 01:11:15 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by ElectricTraction on Wed Sep 9 16:16:25 2015. But if driving is faster than the bus, and the bus is faster than the train, then how is the train better than driving? The whole point of taking CT Limo instead of driving is to avoid paying for parking at the airport, so no, sitting in traffic on the bus doesn't mean you might as well drive. CT Limo is still public transportation and therefore "better than driving" in terms of this discussion. And a reclining cloth seat on a coach bus is far more comfortable than a rigid upright plastic seat on a subway IMO. I really don't understand the rationale behind your objection. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Sep 10 01:31:21 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Sep 10 01:11:15 2015. But if driving is faster than the bus, and the bus is faster than the trainWhat bus is faster than the train? |
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Posted by ntrainride on Thu Sep 10 09:16:18 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Mon Sep 7 21:34:40 2015. ...hell, at the very least, it opens up a new routing for express bus service. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Thu Sep 10 09:39:56 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Tue Sep 8 05:53:50 2015. sure it would. a train every fifteen minutes is pretty damn good passenger rail service. the rockaways are just too far a trip to Manhattan, over the most challenging infrastructure (the Jamaica bay trestle for one thing) to expect rapid transit-like service frequencies. it was designed as a commuter railroad. and i'd bet anything that when it was all lirr, pre ww2, passenger count was higher than at any time it's been a "subway line". if you want subway type train services to the rest of the city...don't live there! |
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Posted by ntrainride on Thu Sep 10 09:53:48 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by Union Tpke on Tue Sep 8 16:27:55 2015. you're dreaming. maintaining that trestle has to be a very large expense for the t.a. it's seriously unrealistic to think that the rockaways penninsular, with its low population density and lack of any significant employment centers should get train service equivalent to basically every other subway line that travels along fully developed high density city streets. face it, the rockaways are almost "hard-wired" to exist as a quasi-resort/in-city suburb. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Thu Sep 10 10:30:37 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Sep 9 16:52:40 2015. see, that's very pertinent. what does the city do in this type of situation? spend hundreds of millions of dollars to maintain low income neighborhoods, or seek to eventually attract newer residents with better financial resources at their disposal, increasing the flow of tax and other monies to the city's coffers? and before anyone on here bitches about "keeping the neighborhood as it is", blah blah: my response is, basically, stfu. the Brooklyn experience is telling. country lanes turn into period suburbs turn into German neighborhoods turn into Irish neighborhoods turn into Italian neighborhoods turn into black, Puerto Rican and dominican neighborhoods turn into hipster dufas neighborhoods turn into generic middle and upper class areas. whether you like it or not, this is whats been happening in our town. nobody owns the streets. at best, we borrow them, like library books. ultimately, these streets will fall out of favor and an equivalent cycle will start again. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Sep 10 10:50:06 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by ntrainride on Thu Sep 10 10:30:37 2015. Yes I agree, the city is coming back up and as a result the neighborhoods are changing, and Rockaway has certainly seen a bit of that (it's like the hipster resort). But that's like saying you could replace the G with the LIRR and everything would be fine. Even most new residents wouldn't want to pay LIRR fares. That's why I moved the hell away from Port Washington. PW is $8.50 OFF PEAK, ONE WAY right now. That means $17.00 to go to the city if I'm not touching a peak train. It was more expensive for me to stay on Long Island than move to my hipster dufas neighborhood. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Sep 10 10:56:29 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by ntrainride on Thu Sep 10 09:16:18 2015. That too. Definitely gives parts of Queens and Brooklyn that are left out by the subway (and possibly still left out after extensions) an express bus route better than the existing ones |
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Posted by ntrainride on Thu Sep 10 10:57:44 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Mon Sep 7 23:47:10 2015. if anything, rockaway residents should pay double fares, like they use to. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Sep 10 10:57:50 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Sep 10 01:31:21 2015. Look at the travel time for the route we are talking about (New Haven-JFK Airport). It's 3.5 hours going MN->7->LIRR vs 3 hours on CT Limo going from New Haven to the terminal with no transfer |
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Posted by ntrainride on Thu Sep 10 11:12:13 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Sep 10 10:50:06 2015. lol. for now, anyway... |
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Posted by ntrainride on Thu Sep 10 11:21:55 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Sep 10 10:50:06 2015. but yeah, it is amazing how the area around and along Broadway down fro the Williamsburg bridge looks now from when it did in the early 70's, when I use to hitch hike in from central Islip on the weekends to see my novia dominicana on south 4th street. all this italian-irish boy can say is cono! mira loque pasa en el vecino! :) |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Sep 10 13:06:20 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Sep 10 10:56:29 2015. Hmm. . .not sure.Perhaps you can give a sample new express bus route so I understand more of what you mean? |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Sep 10 13:10:50 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by ntrainride on Thu Sep 10 10:57:44 2015. For what, just for using the A train? So if they use the bus system to the A train at Rockaway Blvd they get rewarded with a cheaper fare?The Rockaways are removed, yes, but then there should be extra fares for other things, like the SIR should have its fare doubled, and perhaps there should be no free bus-subway transfers to certain buses that have "out there" destinations, like City Island. Keep in mind that under the current fare system, you can get from Manhattan to Hicksville with one train and one bus for one fare. On the other hand, it takes two fares to get from Gerritsen Beach to Sea Gate, and many other much-closer destinations. Why should the Rockaways, to the exception of other places, pay more? |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Sep 10 13:47:48 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Sep 10 10:50:06 2015. It was more expensive for me to stay on Long Island than move to my hipster dufas neighborhood.That's why those of who stay on Long Island live (rent free) with our parents to maintain our living standards. Of course, we tend not to be hipsters... |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Sep 10 14:00:45 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Sep 10 10:50:06 2015. It's interesting that Port Washington doesn't have one-seat bus service to the NYC subway while so many similar and further LI areas do, like Glen Cove, which also has LIRR access. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Sep 10 14:02:51 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by ntrainride on Thu Sep 10 09:39:56 2015. The el structure in Rockaway was specifically constructed rapid transit style with the intention of the city eventually taking it over for rapid transit use. Even back in the 1930s/1940s, the LIRR was looking to get rid of the Rockaway Line and turn it over to the city. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Thu Sep 10 14:46:42 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Sep 10 10:50:06 2015. but yeah, it is amazing how the area around and along Broadway down fro the Williamsburg bridge looks now from when it did in the early 70's, when I use to hitch hike in from central Islip on the weekends to see my novia dominicana on south 4th street. all this italian-irish boy can say is cono! mira loque pasa en el vecino! :) |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Sep 10 15:46:51 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Sep 10 13:47:48 2015. Lucky you, I was living at moms, but not rent free. The moment I graduated from college that woman slapped me with $500/month and then within the year jacked it up to $650 (and you can't come home totally shit faced drunk to moms house). And I was in Manorhaven with no car, so if I wanted to go to the city, I had to take the N23 to the LIRR, and if it was outside of N23 hours, hello $9 cab ride. That was my situation when I drove for Greyhound and it was BAD. I hate these hipsters, but I'm way happier with my bed-stuy apartment. My share of the rent plus $116.00/month. Glory glory hallelujah! |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Sep 10 15:53:46 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Sep 10 15:46:51 2015. LION always paid room and board to the parents of him. Him also rented a surplus car from dad. Best deal in town, but that was 40 years ago and so I was not paying 500/mo, but did pay LIRR to commute to NYC.ROAR |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Sep 10 16:09:31 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Sep 10 14:00:45 2015. It's because along the PW line, the majority of residents are better off financially and don't need a bus connection to the subway for a cheaper commute option. I've done N23->N20/N21->7 before and it saved me money, but geez was it miserable. Also, some of the bus routes along the north shore are carry overs from the New York and North Shore Traction Co (Flushing to at least Roslyn Clock Tower, I'd have to consult my book on the subject). |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Thu Sep 10 16:11:32 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Sep 9 16:40:58 2015. We're talking about that stupid private bus from CT to JFK. I fully support publicly-run busses run by the MTA. |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Thu Sep 10 16:11:33 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Sep 10 01:11:15 2015. CT Limo is privately run. It is not public transportation like the NYCTA and MN are.I don't use private transportation unless it's something like a shuttle within a museum or amusement park or a hotel or rental car shuttle or something. I do use public transit, like MBTA, NYCTA, TriMET, etc. To get to JFK, if I was going to get stuck in a traffic jam, I would get stuck in a traffic jam in the comfort of my personal automobile. Given that I don't like getting stuck in traffic jams, I choose to whiz by them at 90mph on Metro North with 10,000HP when going anywhere near NYC. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Sep 10 16:17:13 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Sep 10 13:06:20 2015. Starrett City, Canarsie, and South Ozone Park could all have bus routes that would enter the highway which is above Linden Blvd and the Bay Ridge into the Gowanus Expressway and continue via the HOV lane into the Battery Tunnel. The benefit would soley be for downtown access. Hell, even Downtown-Rockaway express bus service would benefit. Not that I'm a fan of expanding the express bus network (I'd rather see as much of it replaced with rail service, but it does have its place as a piece of the transportation puzzle). Of course, if Ocean Parkway center lanes were elevated, that would be an even faster route as the buses could exit the Cross Brooklyn Expressway onto Ocean Parkway and run that into the Prospect Expressway. Honestly, the expressway is more for access from NJ/SI to south Brooklyn/Queens/LI to get that traffic off the BQE and LIE |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Thu Sep 10 16:22:23 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by ntrainride on Thu Sep 10 10:30:37 2015. Well, then you also have to look at whether some of those areas should even continue to exist given how low they are to the water, and how much climate change is going to raise sea levels and strengthen storms. I'm not sure which parts of the Rockaways are low, but there are some areas, especially on the southern shore of LI, that should probably be completely bulldozed and turned into a natural barrier. But the water is pretty, so people will keep going back to places that should never have been built on in the first place, and shouldn't be repaired when they are storm damaged/destroyed.But your points about gentrification are true nonetheless. |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Thu Sep 10 16:23:14 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Sep 10 10:50:06 2015. Somebody's got to pay to run the trains. Highways should cost more than they do, i.e. tolls, but it's already quite expensive to drive around. |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Thu Sep 10 16:27:37 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Sep 10 16:17:13 2015. Busses have a place in the city where it's not feasible to put a subway in. The bus system should shrink based on the subway system growing though. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Sep 10 17:12:12 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by ElectricTraction on Thu Sep 10 16:23:14 2015. Folks in Rockaway sure won't. They won't even take the existing express buses |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Sep 10 17:14:53 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Sep 10 15:53:46 2015. Don't get me wrong, it made me a better, more responsible and mature person financially, far more so than the rest of my friends who were given their room, given their car, etc. Taught me the value of work and what I'm spending my money on. I was simply making a point. Only part that sucks is that I still owe an insane amount of money for back rent and other items, and the woman can be harder than a loan shark at times. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Sep 10 17:15:54 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by ElectricTraction on Thu Sep 10 16:27:37 2015. 100% agreed! It's the same for why I keep championing an expanded NJT rail network, to reduce demand on the buses into the PABT. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Sep 10 17:18:02 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by ElectricTraction on Thu Sep 10 16:11:33 2015. It's still public transportation since you're riding with the general public who also paid their fare to board the vehicle. Just because it's privately run doesn't make any difference (Isn't most of Tokyo's mass transit system privately run?). The point is that it is better than a car because, like a train, it consolidates people into a smaller space. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Sep 10 17:19:04 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by ElectricTraction on Thu Sep 10 16:11:32 2015. So do you only partially support NICE Bus since it's privately operated but publicly funded? |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Thu Sep 10 17:55:21 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by ntrainride on Thu Sep 10 09:53:48 2015. Wrong. Funding for maintaining that trestle will be coming from the MTA, regardless of whether it's the subway or the LIRR running over it. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Thu Sep 10 18:11:30 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by ntrainride on Thu Sep 10 09:39:56 2015. Wrong. The A runs significantly more than once every 15 minutes during rush hour. Non-rush is a different story, but even then, LIRR would most likely run service much less frequently, like once every 30-120 minutes (just ask residents of St. Albans and Laurelton about that). |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Sep 10 18:24:19 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Sep 10 17:14:53 2015. Good for her! : ) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Sep 10 21:26:55 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by ntrainride on Thu Sep 10 10:57:44 2015. May as well have kept the system part of the LIRR. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Fri Sep 11 11:52:19 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Thu Sep 10 18:11:30 2015. in the rockaways, there's not enough people living near the individual stations to expect train headways of the same frequencies as a subway line that runs through fully developed as areas with a higher population density. rockaway beach boulevard ain't Fulton Street. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Fri Sep 11 13:54:02 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by ntrainride on Fri Sep 11 11:52:19 2015. Nobody's saying that. The Rockaways have technically "half a subway service" because the other half of the A trains go to Lefferts Blvd. But that's still more rush hour service than what the LIRR provides on most of its branches and I don't believe the LIRR would be willing to provide anything more frequent. Do you think they would? They already provide only "bare-bones" service to Long Island City and they stopped serving Middle Village, Richmond Hill and Maspeth. They want to reduce service between Brooklyn and Jamaica to a shuttle upon ESA's opening. And last, but not least...they haven't showed any interest in serving the Rockaways again! |
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Posted by ntrainride on Fri Sep 11 14:00:22 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Sep 10 13:10:50 2015. i don't know about all that. just think that the unique nature of the rockaways has to be considered. even that Hicksville trip you mention is a totally land based journey. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Fri Sep 11 14:15:52 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Fri Sep 11 13:54:02 2015. first of all, i thought we're skylocking ideas here, not doing actual city planning. "in an ideal world", it would have been better for the rails to have remained a lirr branch. by this time, having never been used as a rapid transit line but instead remained as a sort-of sirt line, the commuter train nature of the service provided, the distance from manhattan, need for housing and the natural aspects of the penninsular would have made the place very attractive to developers in the post war era. perhaps a very rough equivalent to the p.w. line between flushing and little neck. I think... |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Sep 11 16:06:47 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Sep 10 13:10:50 2015. The whole idea of MTA/NYCT is to make as much of the intra city transportation system as seamless as possible so bus to subway transfers definitely should be kept as well as the subway level fare on SIR! |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Fri Sep 11 16:16:56 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Sep 10 17:19:04 2015. That doesn't look any different from having private operators operate commuter trains, like is Boston and Chicago and other places, so it's still public transit. |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Fri Sep 11 16:17:32 2015, in response to Re: Someone remind me, what is the point of light rail again?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Sep 10 17:18:02 2015. Don't care. I don't buy tickets on private busses. I use public transit. |
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