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Posted by Jon Bell on Fri May 1 23:12:33 2015 Scanning more old postcards:    |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 2 00:09:00 2015, in response to POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by Jon Bell on Fri May 1 23:12:33 2015. Shoulda built a connection for those NYW&B trains into Penn when they could. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat May 2 00:25:42 2015, in response to POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by Jon Bell on Fri May 1 23:12:33 2015. The Brooklyn Bridge was multi-modal before the concept had a name. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat May 2 00:27:27 2015, in response to POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by Jon Bell on Fri May 1 23:12:33 2015. Interesting real estate pimping by the NYW&B. I like how the upper Bronx was then suburban. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 2 00:28:37 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by italianstallion on Sat May 2 00:27:27 2015. It as outright rural back then! Once you got north of Tremont, it was pretty much farmland which is why there are so many large parks even these days. Even Riverdale was largely rural until the 1950's. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat May 2 00:56:33 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 2 00:28:37 2015. Yep, I've read about Riverdale's rustic past, but the rest of the Bronx always seemed like a forest of 6-story apt. houses to me! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 2 01:32:15 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by italianstallion on Sat May 2 00:56:33 2015. Nope. West Farms really was, if you go out where the two families are in the east Bronx, you'll note that most of them were built in the 1950's and 1960's. When I was VERY young, we bought eggs and chickens out just past the el on E 233rd from a farmer.Right after the war, things built up bigtime, but there were still remains of rural. On Johnson Avenue right across from where I grew up in that picture I posted of where I lived the other day, there was a farm house at the top of that hill where I used to sled as a kid. It was still there the last time I was there around 1972 or so. Gone now too. :( |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 2 01:34:32 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 2 01:32:15 2015. This might amuse you as well since I went to St Gabriel's ... up at Mount St Vincent? That was a farm too. The nuns used to grow apples, had chickens and farmed somewhat before all those buildings went up. Mt St Vincent shrunk a LOT as the Diocese sold off land for apartment buildings to pay the bills in the late 1950's. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 2 01:38:54 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 2 01:34:32 2015. And just for giggles, looked into the old "Riverdale Country School." It's still there, and an aerial kinda gives you an idea of what it looked like even these days as the bricks encroached into the "country" that used to be a WHOLE lot bigger than it is now ...
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Posted by The silence on Sat May 2 01:40:29 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 2 00:09:00 2015. and spend the money they were trying to save by not going to Grand Central..? |
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Posted by chud1 on Sat May 2 04:50:23 2015, in response to POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by Jon Bell on Fri May 1 23:12:33 2015. 5 drooling stars out of 5 drooling stars for these pictures.chud1. :)..... |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat May 2 08:18:34 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by italianstallion on Sat May 2 00:56:33 2015. The great conductor Toscanini lived in Riverdale after he took the NBC Symphony gig. |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Sat May 2 08:45:39 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat May 2 08:18:34 2015. did he work the #1 line? |
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Posted by HART BUS on Sat May 2 09:31:39 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by chud1 on Sat May 2 04:50:23 2015. In the words of Artie Johnson on Laugh-In "Veeerry Interesting".Keep them coming ! |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 2 10:43:12 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by The silence on Sat May 2 01:40:29 2015. Eh?Ending in the Bronx was a problem, was it not? |
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Posted by K. Trout on Sat May 2 11:59:15 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by italianstallion on Sat May 2 00:56:33 2015. I've seen a photo (which I'm failing to find right now) of one of the Harlem River local stations circa 1915. It was basically a small station house in the middle of a field, adjacent to 6 tracks with catenary overhead. There was basically nothing else there. |
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Posted by chud1 on Sat May 2 12:54:17 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by HART BUS on Sat May 2 09:31:39 2015. IAWTP!chud1. :)..... |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat May 2 14:04:33 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 2 00:09:00 2015. They didn't want to pay to go to Penn. However, the NYW&B did try to purchase the 2nd Ave el from the IRT because the structure could handle heavier cars. The IRT, in the midst of Dual Contract talks with the City, refused the offer. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat May 2 14:21:53 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by Elkeeper on Sat May 2 14:04:33 2015. That would have been interesting. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat May 2 15:11:51 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by Nilet on Sat May 2 14:21:53 2015. I believe those NYW&B Stillwell MU's probably could have used the 2nd Ave el, had it been sold to them and not third tracked. |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Sat May 2 18:15:44 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by K. Trout on Sat May 2 11:59:15 2015. I SURE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT PHOTO. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat May 2 19:32:25 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 2 01:32:15 2015. I moved to Riverdale in 1975, so I just missed the farm. :-( |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat May 2 19:36:01 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 2 01:34:32 2015. The church near Mt. St. Vincent is St. Margaret of Cortona. St. Gabriel's is on Johnson Ave. near your old Apartment house. The diocese announced a few months ago that it is closing St. Gabriel's. Seems strange to me since the population density is much higher there than near St. Margaret's, but I suspect a lot of that population is Jewish, whereas there are still a lot of Irish near St. Margaret's. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat May 2 19:39:15 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 2 01:38:54 2015. Hard to tell from this view but RCS has put up a lot of new buildings there in the last 20 years. Both my kids went there.That forest in the background is Fieldston. The campus on the left side of the forest is Horace Mann. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat May 2 19:40:17 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat May 2 08:18:34 2015. I know. There a controversy about 30 years ago when SAR Academy tore down his house in the middle of the night with no notice to the community. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat May 2 19:41:36 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by K. Trout on Sat May 2 11:59:15 2015. Someone posted a photo here a few months ago of the Spuyten Duyvil station that looked like that. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 2 19:48:51 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by Elkeeper on Sat May 2 14:04:33 2015. What's the difference? They were owned by the NYNH&H; I don't see how they could have necessarily paid extra to move its own trains there, especially when part of the Pennsylvania Group. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat May 2 20:14:57 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 2 19:48:51 2015. Perhaps, they wanted to try out the 2nd Ave route- if they got it. if it worked out for the NYW&B lines, perhaps some NH trains could have been moved to 2nd Ave. Dunno- never came to be. |
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Posted by The silence on Sat May 2 22:22:36 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 2 10:43:12 2015. No, it was the solution to the problem of "not wanting to pay the NYCRR for trackage rights into GCT." |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 2 22:28:48 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by The silence on Sat May 2 22:22:36 2015. They already had them via the New Haven RR. Only had to be the NHRR in a de jure sense.Today's status quo is better, really? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 2 23:49:31 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by italianstallion on Sat May 2 19:32:25 2015. The farm had turned into a big lawn back in the 1940's, but the farm house and about 20 acres of lawn remained until somewhere after 1972. It was the best sledding hill ever! And the family that owned the house at the top was pretty cool too. They'd pour hot water on any holes in the snow to freeze up to cover the bare spots for the kids.I see that the hill got taken away as well when they put in those townhouses. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 2 23:51:23 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by italianstallion on Sat May 2 19:36:01 2015. Sorry to hear that. Yep, I did my 8 years at St Gabe's, most of it as an altared boy as well. There was a seminary up there as well across from there on Riverdale Ave but I ended up going to Graymoor up near Peekskill for my induction. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 2 23:51:57 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 2 23:51:23 2015. Just to clarify, roughly across from Mt St Vincents ... |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 2 23:53:04 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by italianstallion on Sat May 2 19:39:15 2015. Yep. But that whole stretch was once a couple of farms. Aside from Fieldston and a few prewar buildings, there wasn't much at all north of the monument on 239th. All of that exploded in the mid to late 1950's and 1960's. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat May 2 23:59:10 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by italianstallion on Sat May 2 19:36:01 2015. Oh. Meant to add, still remember the address for St Gabes, it was 3303 Netherland. And yeah, the neighborhood before all those towers went up was pretty much split between Irish and Italian, just about everyone who lived there up until the 1950's or so worked for one of the railroads or the IRT along with some of the warehouses that used to be down in Marble Hill before they built Kennedy High.It just got too expensive for most of them to stay. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 3 00:02:20 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by italianstallion on Sat May 2 19:41:36 2015. Before Riverdale really built up, next stop north of Spuyten Duyvil was Mount St Vincent. If you lived up on the hill, there were stairs to climb from the station up to Kappock Street. Kept you fit. :) |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun May 3 00:57:47 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 3 00:02:20 2015. Now there's a path to a bridge over the tracks at S. Duyvil. Mt St. Vincent station closed long ago. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 3 01:04:48 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by italianstallion on Sun May 3 00:57:47 2015. Yep. I saw that they replaced it with a Riverdale one. There was another stop right around Yonkers a LONG time ago, but can't remember if it was called "Crestwood" or "Fleetwood." Some local Bronx trains terminated there though whichever one it was.Spuyten Duyvil isn't where it used to be, and the stop under the IRT Broadway bridge used to be EAST of Broadway. They reconfigured a lot in that area after NYC went away. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun May 3 01:18:51 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 3 01:04:48 2015. Crestwood is in Eastchester near Yonkers (thus not actually in Crestwood, which is in Yonkers). Both it and Fleetwood still exist. Fleetwood is in Mount Vernon and thus also near Yonkers. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun May 3 01:20:24 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 3 00:02:20 2015. That isn't true. Riverdale always existed. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 3 01:22:16 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun May 3 01:18:51 2015. Thanks! Yeah, the stop in question was a local stop and a terminal for Bronx only locals when the Central actually had local Bronx service on the Hudson line. There was a station with one of those two names right on the river. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 3 01:24:06 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun May 3 01:20:24 2015. As best as I remember, the "Riverdale" stop wasn't actually a station, it was a whistle stop for employees somewhere around 262 or thereabouts. There was just an opening, no actual platform back in the 50's. There really wasn't much there above 239th aside from private houses and lots of trees. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun May 3 01:24:59 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 3 01:22:16 2015. Fleetwood is closer to the Bronx. Crestwood is after Bronxville and Tuckahoe. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun May 3 01:25:51 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 3 01:24:06 2015. I never heard of that. It appears on old maps together with Mt. St. Vincent. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 3 01:29:49 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun May 3 01:25:51 2015. Most of the folks that lived on the hill took what was the #10 and #10A bus (became the 100) down to either 231 IRT, or down to 225 for the Central there. Yes, Riverdale was on the map but it was largely disused because the "stop" there was just a small platform and was a whistle stop because way back when, it was just a path down the hill, nothing really formal and about the only folks that used it were railroad employees.When I was growing up there and the Central was still in business, had a number of friends whose dads worked for the railroad, so got to do a large amount of cab rides with them on weekends. It's a real station now that Riverdale got built up, but it wasn't always. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 3 01:31:22 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun May 3 01:24:59 2015. Yeah, maybe I've got my woods wrong but there was a station north of Mt St Vincent, before Yonkers and I could swear it was one of those two. At GCT, Bronx locals would either go to Yonkers in the PM's or get turned back there. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 3 01:32:38 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun May 3 01:24:59 2015. And yeah, definitely wouldn't be Crestwood then (IIRC, that was also used as a terminal for some trains) but this was definitely on the Hudson. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun May 3 03:57:56 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun May 3 01:18:51 2015. Not to mention that Fleetwood and Crestwood are not, and never have been, on the Hudson Line. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 3 04:03:09 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by AlM on Sun May 3 03:57:56 2015. Yeah, it was SOMETHING wood. Cut me some slack, it's been a long LONG time. But there was a station that ended in "wood" and I coulda sworn it was one or the other. Solutions appreciated.Kept thinking "Fleetwood" because I associated with whatever the name was with the Cadillac model of similar name. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun May 3 04:04:51 2015, in response to Re: POSTCARDS: Brooklyn Bridge and NYW&B, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun May 3 04:03:09 2015. Glenwood?That one's still very much in service... |
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