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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Apr 9 22:41:35 2015, in response to 7 local vs. express, posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Thu Apr 9 19:44:52 2015. If they're going to do that, they should do it at Willets and announce it so people can transfer to the locals. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Thu Apr 9 22:46:44 2015, in response to 7 local vs. express, posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Thu Apr 9 19:44:52 2015. This does seem ridiculous. If it happens often, she should consider changing for the local at Junction Blvd. or Willets Point. (I presume a couple of locals will have been passed by then.) |
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Posted by gbs on Thu Apr 9 23:12:41 2015, in response to 7 local vs. express, posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Thu Apr 9 19:44:52 2015. It's happened to me so many times! The worst is when both an express and local are being held (with holding lights) at Willets Point, and no one will tell the passengers which train will arrive at Main Street first. (They won't even say which one will leave Willets Point first, although that doesn't guarantee a first arrival at Main St!). Apparently they don't want us switching trains for the first one scheduled to arrive at Main, because that may delay service!Meanwhile they spend millions on sophisticated message and announcement systems, while ignoring the needs of Flushing-bound riders. A simple old-tech announcement would do wonders to improve the service. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Apr 10 02:15:18 2015, in response to 7 local vs. express, posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Thu Apr 9 19:44:52 2015. Wow...The same thing happened to me the last TWO times I traveled to Flushing aboard the 7 Express. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Apr 10 07:58:55 2015, in response to 7 local vs. express, posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Thu Apr 9 19:44:52 2015. MTA should be challenged to kill #7 Express service, run skip-stop all on the local track, as their dispatchers too stupid to run express service. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Apr 10 08:55:47 2015, in response to 7 local vs. express, posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Thu Apr 9 19:44:52 2015. Here's one unsatisfactory explanation.There was a delay on the local. The crews on the locals are at the end of their shifts. Delaying them would mean extra overtime pay for the crews. The express crews came on for the evening rush hours and had around 4 more hours on their shifts. Delaying them, combined with the slop built into their work schedules would mean they would finish their shifts on time. So, give priority to the locals and get their crews to clock out on time. Save money and keep the bean counters happy. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Apr 10 09:06:15 2015, in response to Re: 7 local vs. express, posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Apr 10 08:55:47 2015. We cannot continue to spend hundreds of million of dollars on CBTC and R188's on the line if the result is still shitty service. If they had a disabled train or switch problems at Main Street, then relay the express at Willets Pts, and tell everyone to take the local. The miserable customer service is not excusable.I am glad Andrew has underfunded their capital program by 50%. I would turn off the capital spigot and lobby the the Congress Critters to cut FTA capital funds altogether until the TA gets off their duffs and straightens out what is wrong with the #7, the R, the hour long waits for the Q54, and whatever else there is. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Apr 10 11:08:22 2015, in response to Re: 7 local vs. express, posted by gbs on Thu Apr 9 23:12:41 2015. "It's happened to me so many times! The worst is when both an express and local are being held (with holding lights) at Willets Point, and no one will tell the passengers which train will arrive at Main Street first. (They won't even say which one will leave Willets Point first, although that doesn't guarantee a first arrival at Main St!). Apparently they don't want us switching trains for the first one scheduled to arrive at Main, because that may delay service!"They do not know which one will leave first, and they do not know if one will be held en route. They cannot know, because the tracks at Main are blocked with trains, and they do not know which one will be able to leave first. If the one on the south platform leaves first then it will block all tracks until it is clear. If the one on the north platform leaves first then a local or an express can enter the station depending upon which track is clear, assuming that they always want to bring the express in on the middle track. Does the dispatcher know which one will leave first? Well d'uh of course he knows which one is *supposed* to leave first, but maybe there is a problem with that train, and so he waits a bit to see if it will be cleared up before sending someone else out first. Suppose a train is stuck on the middle track, they can let locals in and out, but the express will have to wait until the middle platform is cleared, on until the dispatcher despairs of it being cleared and brings express trains in on say the south track. So you wait a little while while things sort themselves out. How is this the end of the world. ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Apr 10 11:09:43 2015, in response to Re: 7 local vs. express, posted by Joe V on Fri Apr 10 07:58:55 2015. ElToro Poopoo |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Apr 10 11:12:58 2015, in response to Re: 7 local vs. express, posted by Joe V on Fri Apr 10 09:06:15 2015. Why should this be a Federal Issue. That is the most stoopit, arogant nonsense I have ever herd!Shit Happens, LIVE WITH IT. You will be home shortly, what the heck is the difference. Automation will eventually improve things but there will be many issues to hurdle before you constantly get a train that arrives as you thought it should. Pay your dime, ride the train, and think about a nice dinner with your family! ROAR |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Apr 10 11:21:17 2015, in response to Re: 7 local vs. express, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Apr 10 11:12:58 2015. It is an issue to make good of your capital budget, or do without."Shit happens" is not acceptable. The TA is running an HO train set and not for the customers. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Apr 10 11:21:56 2015, in response to Re: 7 local vs. express, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Apr 10 11:09:43 2015. It's called "accountability". |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Apr 10 11:25:18 2015, in response to Re: 7 local vs. express, posted by Joe V on Fri Apr 10 11:21:17 2015. Running trains on time is NOT part of the capital budget.Look towards the operations department for your issues. : ) ROAR |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Apr 10 11:27:18 2015, in response to Re: 7 local vs. express, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Apr 10 11:25:18 2015. You have a capital budget to make operations better. It's called ROI.If they blow it with stupidity, cut it off. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Apr 10 11:36:41 2015, in response to Re: 7 local vs. express, posted by Joe V on Fri Apr 10 11:27:18 2015. Capital Budget is not part of the operations budget. YOU CANNOT use one for the other. The Capital budget came from a different source, it came with the intention of doing this or that or buying this equipment. IT CANNOT BE used for anything else as that would betray the intention of the agency that provided the funding. It is theft plain and simple.ROAR |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Apr 10 11:49:08 2015, in response to Re: 7 local vs. express, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Apr 10 11:36:41 2015. You miss the point entirely. I did not say use capital for operations.The ONLY way to get the arrogant TA's attention is to hit them where it hurts the most. And that means cut off their capital budget until they get the operational and customer service act together. |
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Posted by VictorM on Fri Apr 10 12:38:26 2015, in response to Re: 7 local vs. express, posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Apr 10 08:55:47 2015. Do they still terminate some PM rush hour locals at Willets Point and send them back to Manhattan or to the yard using that 4th track between the eastbound local and middle tracks, as they did years ago? That would reduce some of the load at Main St. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Fri Apr 10 13:14:15 2015, in response to 7 local vs. express, posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Thu Apr 9 19:44:52 2015. Were there any announcements by the train operators or conductors about what was happening at the station?Just wondering. Mike |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Apr 10 15:13:23 2015, in response to 7 local vs. express, posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Thu Apr 9 19:44:52 2015. Here's the action at Main St between 7 and 8 pm on a weekday. Its in csv form. The first field is the direction (0-north; 1-south). The second field is the route id, the third field is the destination sign and the fourth field is the arrival time.0,"7X","FLUSHING - MAIN ST","19:00:30" 1,"7","TIMES SQ - 42 ST","19:02:30" 0,"7","FLUSHING - MAIN ST","19:03:00" 0,"7X","FLUSHING - MAIN ST","19:05:30" 1,"7","TIMES SQ - 42 ST","19:06:00" 0,"7","FLUSHING - MAIN ST","19:09:00" 1,"7","TIMES SQ - 42 ST","19:10:00" 0,"7X","FLUSHING - MAIN ST","19:11:30" 1,"7","TIMES SQ - 42 ST","19:14:00" 0,"7","FLUSHING - MAIN ST","19:15:00" 0,"7X","FLUSHING - MAIN ST","19:17:30" 1,"7","TIMES SQ - 42 ST","19:18:00" 1,"7","TIMES SQ - 42 ST","19:22:00" 0,"7X","FLUSHING - MAIN ST","19:23:30" 1,"7","TIMES SQ - 42 ST","19:26:00" 0,"7","FLUSHING - MAIN ST","19:27:00" 0,"7X","FLUSHING - MAIN ST","19:29:30" 1,"7","TIMES SQ - 42 ST","19:30:00" 0,"7","FLUSHING - MAIN ST","19:33:00" 1,"7","TIMES SQ - 42 ST","19:34:00" 0,"7X","FLUSHING - MAIN ST","19:35:30" 1,"7","TIMES SQ - 42 ST","19:38:00" 0,"7","FLUSHING - MAIN ST","19:39:00" 1,"7","TIMES SQ - 42 ST","19:42:00" 0,"7X","FLUSHING - MAIN ST","19:43:30" 1,"7","TIMES SQ - 42 ST","19:46:00" 0,"7X","FLUSHING - MAIN ST","19:48:30" 1,"7","TIMES SQ - 42 ST","19:50:00" 0,"7","FLUSHING - MAIN ST","19:51:30" 1,"7","TIMES SQ - 42 ST","19:55:00" 0,"7X","FLUSHING - MAIN ST","19:57:00" 1,"7","TIMES SQ - 42 ST","20:00:00" |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Apr 10 18:03:28 2015, in response to Re: 7 local vs. express, posted by Joe V on Fri Apr 10 11:49:08 2015. Counterproductive.They are politicians, and they live and die by a different criteria, and it does not have anything to do with consumer satisfaction. They are out to satisfy the bean counters, who in turn must live within the budgets set by the politicians, and getting more productivity out of employees becomes a union issue. The strap hanger is at the bottom of the ladder and as we all know, shit flows down. ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Apr 10 18:07:52 2015, in response to Re: 7 local vs. express, posted by Michael549 on Fri Apr 10 13:14:15 2015. Probly knot. How would they know what was happening?ROAR |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Apr 11 00:43:11 2015, in response to Re: 7 local vs. express, posted by Joe V on Fri Apr 10 11:21:17 2015. Frank must be really playing with his trains. |
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Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Sun Apr 12 10:22:06 2015, in response to 7 local vs. express, posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Thu Apr 9 19:44:52 2015. Why bother having an express if it must always be held for multiple locals?Because even if he express isn't any faster than the local, fewer station stops makes it SEEM faster, and for those riders forced to stand, fewer station stops means less people pushing to get on and off. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Apr 14 11:08:17 2024, in response to Re: 7 local vs. express, posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Apr 10 15:13:23 2015. Can you please write to me at Brooklynbus@verizon.net. Someone involved in the lawsuit would like to speak to you about congestion pricing if you care to help. |
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