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Re: Cuomo's shutdown affecting Democratic Party |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Mar 25 01:12:48 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by The silence on Tue Mar 24 18:42:16 2015. Cuomo was NOT, at least in the views of many:As had been noted elsewhere, in the views of many he was more concerned with how it would look to suburban voters come 2018 when he is up for re-election as Governor (keeping the NYC Subways open while shutting everything else down) as well as not wanting something going wrong to be used against him in a 2020 or '24 Presidential bid, failing to realize that in the process of doing so, he violated Rule #1 of politics and made it in all likelihood much more difficult for the Democrats to regain control of the House and Senate in 2016. People on Wall Street have much longer memories than people think and something like what Cuomo did is something the so-called "self-centered wealthy" will use to fund Republican candidates in races well outside New York since for now it's the only way THEY can get back at Cuomo. Given the Koch Brothers and their heavily funding Republican candidates (reportedly to the tune of $1 BILLION of their own money this election cycle), it's the last thing the DNC needs and it could bite Cuomo in 2018 if the DNC and their backers withdraw funding from Cuomo for a re-election bid for Governor and instead give it to a candidate to run against him. |
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Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Mar 25 01:17:41 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by Joe V on Tue Mar 24 14:44:43 2015. Wrong:High-level execs on Wall Street have VERY long memories and with money and power they would use it to get back at Cuomo in ways most people fail to grasp. Funding candidates in other states to make sure the Republicans keep the House and Senate in 2016 is the one way they can do that currently, then funding their own candidate to go against Cuomo in 2018. Had Sandy been a bust in 2012 (even if it was the right thing to shut down the subways then), this would have likely happened in 2014 and we very possibly would have had a different Governor of New York when the Blizzard of 2015 hit (Sandy occurred too close to the elections in 2012 to have any significant impact). |
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Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Mar 25 01:19:00 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Mar 24 13:28:19 2015. I had answered it elsewhere. If you had read the whole thread you would have seen it. |
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Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight |
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Posted by R30A on Wed Mar 25 07:37:54 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Mar 25 01:17:41 2015. No he is not wrong. Unlike you Wall street is fully aware that Cuomo does not care whatsoever about whether or not the GOP keeps the house or senate. There is no point in trying to get back at somebody by doing something you know that they don't care one bit about. It costs a lot of money for nothing. |
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Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight |
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Posted by j trainloco on Wed Mar 25 08:10:03 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by 3-9 on Tue Jan 27 22:10:27 2015. You all realize that the trains still ran all night on 20 minute headways, right? |
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Attn: Wallyhorse -- Re: How to PO Wall Street and others -- Shut down the subway |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Mar 25 08:13:48 2015, in response to Re: How to PO Wall Street and others -- Shut down the subway, posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Mar 23 05:35:19 2015. It looks like for one Wall Street DOESN'T have to sue.This is where I stopped reading. So I was right and you were wrong. Are you going to honor the terms of my bet? |
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Re: Cuomo's shutdown affecting Democratic Party |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Mar 25 08:20:43 2015, in response to Re: Cuomo's shutdown affecting Democratic Party, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Mar 25 01:12:48 2015. Did I ever tell you that you were wrong? |
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Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Mar 25 08:32:08 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Mar 25 01:05:27 2015. No. |
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Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Mar 25 08:43:32 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Mar 25 01:17:41 2015. No, YOU'RE wrong. |
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Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Mar 25 08:44:31 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Mar 25 01:19:00 2015. No you had not answered it elsewhere. That's why I bumped the thread. If you weren't so busy making stupid posts, maybe you'd understand that. |
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Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight |
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Posted by R2Chinatown on Wed Mar 25 15:26:04 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Mar 25 01:05:27 2015. If you were the elected governor of the 2nd most populated state in the nation would you allow some political hack to scold you over a decision of policy that was made in good faith? If you would then you wouldn't be much of a leader. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 25 16:24:31 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by The silence on Tue Mar 24 18:42:16 2015. Cuomo was trying to protect people and the system from what was supposed to be a historic blizzardYeah right. |
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Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Mar 25 16:32:41 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by R2Chinatown on Wed Mar 25 15:26:04 2015. In this case, it's looking at the bigger national picture.Unfortunately, as hated as Wall Street is (especially outside New York), some of the "self-centered wealthy" if they feel they were PO'ed don't care about what is done in good faith. They will take it out on Cuomo, and since they can't do it through the courts nor through him directly until 2018, the way they can do it is to fund Republican candidates in House and Senate races outside New York (and especially in areas with expected tight races) who they otherwise would never fund to make sure the Republicans keep control of both branches of the national legislature after 2016. Given the Koch Brothers are known to be pledging up to $1 BILLION of their own money to fund Republican candidates, this is why PO'ing Wall Street like Cuomo did with the shutdown in my opinion likely stoked the ire of the Dems, knowing the Dems already have an uphill battle to regain control of the House and Senate in 2016. This to me is why the MTA said they would explore keeping the subways open (at least the underground portions) in bad weather. Add to this how this was likely looked at by people in other countries (especially Japan, which did not shut their systems down even when the earthquake/tsunami hit in 2011 and the Super Typhoon hit late last fall) that often are now clients of Wall Street firms and this is why even if it seemed like the right thing to do, it instead PO'ed Wall Street, which would have been the case whether it was six inches, 36" or 60+". Unfortunately, we are at the point where keeping Wall Street happy likely comes first. |
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Re: Cuomo's shutdown affecting Democratic Party |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Mar 25 16:48:34 2015, in response to Re: Cuomo's shutdown affecting Democratic Party, posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Mar 25 08:20:43 2015. Except I have seen how many of these act, and yes, something like what Cuomo did is a grudge they will hold until they can use it against him, even if not directly.Having power means a lot to many of these types, and what Cuomo did likely in their minds undermined that power as employees did not show up, likely costing them millions and possibly (even if not immediately) in some cases clients, especially those overseas who in some cases think people have to be at their desks no matter what. Given the cutthroat society we live in, especially in NYC, that's how many people unfortunately think. |
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Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Mar 25 16:56:19 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 25 16:24:31 2015. Exactly!This in the eyes of many was not PO'ing suburban voters by keeping the city system open not realizing that instead, he PO'ed Wall Street and that could have serious blowback in national races in 2016. |
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Re: Politics playing into shutdown |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Mar 25 17:04:14 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by R30A on Wed Mar 25 07:37:54 2015. Cuomo may not care, but the Democratic Party cares very much and even if Cuomo dislikes his own party, he could have been warned of unintended consequences for him if he ever does it again, EVEN IF it's the right thing to do (like in a Sandy situation, even if in the case of Sandy it WAS the right thing to do). Wouldn't shock me in fact if this happens again Obama is asked to intervene by the DNC and block Cuomo from shutting the underground portions of subways down because of their being vital to getting people who have to be at work there.If the GOP retains control of the House and Senate in 2016 and it appears it was mainly because of Wall Street funding Republican candidates that won what turned out to be key races they might not have otherwise, the DNC likely turns on Cuomo and heavily funds a candidate of their own to get him out of office in 2018 and uses the shutdown against him. |
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Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Mar 25 17:06:01 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Mar 25 08:43:32 2015. And how are you so sure about that? |
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Re: Attn: Wallyhorse -- Re: How to PO Wall Street and others -- Shut down the subway |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Mar 25 17:13:26 2015, in response to Attn: Wallyhorse -- Re: How to PO Wall Street and others -- Shut down the subway, posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Mar 25 08:13:48 2015. I had already said elsewhere (two months ago) they didn't have to (if you read the entire thread you would have seen that). |
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Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Mar 25 18:05:52 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Mar 25 16:56:19 2015. Of course. No one else needed to get to work that day, only "Wall Street". |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Mar 26 00:31:43 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by Joe V on Wed Mar 25 18:05:52 2015. Of course others needed to get to work that day, BUT execs of Wall Street firms have the power to actually do something if they feel is necessary to get back at Cuomo legally, and that is indirectly hurting him by funding candidates in races outside New York to make sure the GOP retains control of the House and Senate. |
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Re: Attn: Wallyhorse -- Re: How to PO Wall Street and others -- Shut down the subway |
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Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Thu Mar 26 00:48:46 2015, in response to Re: Attn: Wallyhorse -- Re: How to PO Wall Street and others -- Shut down the subway, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Mar 25 17:13:26 2015. Wrong. I asked you to accept a bet based on your asinine prediction. You conveniently didn't reply because you knew you were wrong. Now that time has proven you wrong, you should man up and honor the terms of the bet, and admit that you were wrong and I was right. |
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Re: Attn: Wallyhorse -- Re: How to PO Wall Street and others -- Shut down the subway |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Mar 26 02:39:47 2015, in response to Re: Attn: Wallyhorse -- Re: How to PO Wall Street and others -- Shut down the subway, posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Thu Mar 26 00:48:46 2015. And since I wrote the original posts, I noted the next day how Wall Street could get back at Cuomo without suing.I actually HAD let this die but YOU brought it back up. |
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Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Thu Mar 26 09:06:06 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by The silence on Tue Mar 24 18:42:16 2015. I think that they were just trying to keep as many people as possible out of Manhattan to help speed the clean up after what was supposed to be a catastrophic event. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Mar 26 10:50:31 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by R2ChinaTown on Thu Mar 26 09:06:06 2015. I think that they were just trying to keep as many people as possible out of Manhattan to help speed the clean up after what was supposed to be a catastrophic event.I think they were trying to avoid a repeat of this |
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Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Mar 26 11:29:40 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Mar 26 10:50:31 2015. That was the first thought, but as said many times, there were NUMEROUS extenuating circumstances that created the issues that caused the problems in 2010, the largest being the timing of when it hit and when it was forecast to become the storm it was. Much of that was changed AFTER that storm to avoid a repeat of that happening, and in fact, NYC had ANOTHER severe storm a couple of months after that and got through that one just fine. |
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Re: Attn: Wallyhorse -- Re: How to PO Wall Street and others -- Shut down the subway |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Mar 26 12:47:28 2015, in response to Re: Attn: Wallyhorse -- Re: How to PO Wall Street and others -- Shut down the subway, posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Mar 26 02:39:47 2015. Doesn't matter. You wrote at the time that you thought they'd sue, and that the MTA would lose, and I, at the time, said you were wrong and proposed a bet. You ignored it. |
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Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Mar 26 13:00:15 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Mar 26 11:29:40 2015. but as said many times, there were NUMEROUS extenuating circumstances that created the issues that caused the problems in 2010But as told to YOU many times, you were and STILL ARE WRONG about that. Your supposed extenuating circumstances are not true. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Mar 26 13:12:47 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Mar 25 17:06:01 2015. I'm not. It's just my informed, logical opinion. It also happens to be an informed, logical opinion that many other people here share with me. |
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