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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Mon Dec 15 15:24:23 2014, in response to Pennsy, posted by Dave on Mon Dec 15 11:21:06 2014. Interesting, but from too many years ago!!!! I wish they were still around. The Pennsylvania Railroad is gone away. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Mon Dec 15 15:37:59 2014, in response to Pennsy, posted by Dave on Mon Dec 15 11:21:06 2014. Very nice, thanks for finding these!Isn't it odd that the first pic has a locomotive with a round number plate and not a keystone? I thought only the LIRR had round plates, but the locomotive number is off. |
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Posted by Dave on Mon Dec 15 16:05:06 2014, in response to Re: Pennsy, posted by 3-9 on Mon Dec 15 15:37:59 2014. For the most part, after the 1930's freight engines used round number plates and passenger engines used keystone number plates. |
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Posted by BMRR on Mon Dec 15 16:07:29 2014, in response to Pennsy, posted by Dave on Mon Dec 15 11:21:06 2014. Great pictures Dave, Thanks for posting for all to enjoy! |
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Posted by Dave on Mon Dec 15 17:03:11 2014, in response to Re: Pennsy, posted by BMRR on Mon Dec 15 16:07:29 2014. Glad you liked them! |
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Posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Mon Dec 15 17:44:20 2014, in response to Pennsy, posted by Dave on Mon Dec 15 11:21:06 2014. Funny how the Aerotrain ended up more as some kind of platform/prototype for bus designs,rather than anything in the rail business. The coach designs for it were adapted when Greyhound came a coming looking for a modern design replacement for the Silversides coaches, etc, and became the famous Senicruisers/Highway Traveler models (aka PD-4501/PD-4104 model designation for the rest of the bus industry) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 15 18:26:13 2014, in response to Pennsy, posted by Dave on Mon Dec 15 11:21:06 2014. Nice.I'd say that the pic labeled "Oceanport" is at Monmouth Park? Was just comparing them with others at Monmouth Park from the same era. |
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Posted by Dave on Mon Dec 15 22:05:25 2014, in response to Re: Pennsy, posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Mon Dec 15 17:44:20 2014. I thought the Aerotrain was designed using existing bus bodies? |
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Posted by Dave on Mon Dec 15 22:05:49 2014, in response to Re: Pennsy, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 15 18:26:13 2014. Could be, I don't know NJ that well. |
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Posted by milantram on Tue Dec 16 18:44:56 2014, in response to Pennsy, posted by Dave on Mon Dec 15 11:21:06 2014. Great stuff! |
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Posted by Dave on Tue Dec 16 19:16:13 2014, in response to Re: Pennsy, posted by milantram on Tue Dec 16 18:44:56 2014. That it is. |
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Posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Tue Dec 16 19:55:50 2014, in response to Re: Pennsy, posted by Dave on Mon Dec 15 22:05:25 2014. I think thats one of those chicken/egg sort of things.... |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Tue Dec 16 21:02:50 2014, in response to Pennsy, posted by Dave on Mon Dec 15 11:21:06 2014. Aerotrain? Was that a turbo? looks like something from the Jetsons! |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Dec 16 21:35:43 2014, in response to Re: Pennsy, posted by Elkeeper on Tue Dec 16 21:02:50 2014. Definitely not a "turbo". Prime mover was a 12-567C. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Dec 16 23:29:49 2014, in response to Pennsy, posted by Dave on Mon Dec 15 11:21:06 2014. Really nice pix |
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Posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Tue Dec 16 23:37:43 2014, in response to Re: Pennsy, posted by Elkeeper on Tue Dec 16 21:02:50 2014. An Aerotrain lives! |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Dec 16 23:43:17 2014, in response to Re: Pennsy, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Dec 16 21:35:43 2014. coach work by GM Truck & Coach. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Dec 17 00:04:15 2014, in response to Re: Pennsy, posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Tue Dec 16 23:37:43 2014. very interesting vids. especially the French Aerotrain. As to the GM version... when you think of how very well thought out the "Train of Tomorrow was, the Aerotrain is embarassing. Taking a bunch of 'hound bodies and putting them on poor suspension was just crazy. I was told by a Rock Island suit that when the Aerotrain was put on the Peoria Rocket, the riders drove to a nearby town to ride convention cars on a Santa Fe train because the Aerotrain was so uncomfortable. |
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Posted by Dave on Wed Dec 17 07:25:44 2014, in response to Re: Pennsy, posted by Train Dude on Tue Dec 16 23:29:49 2014. Thanks. |
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Posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Wed Dec 17 11:53:34 2014, in response to Re: Pennsy, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Dec 17 00:04:15 2014. The funny thing is that the same basic suspension was fine on buses, and still serves the bus industry well. Perhaps on welded rail it would have been better. (Actually Trailways went away from air suspension for its Eagle series of buses - and supposedly THAT system was better.)I still find it kind of doubtful that GM literally took the frame of say, a PD-4104, and threw it on a railroad chassis. There had to have been a LOT of modifications to them. The windows on a 4104 were much bigger - or seem to have been, for example. Should be noted that GMC Truck/Coach made a VERY durable, comfortable product. There are still a lot of 4501s....4104s and 4106s on the road today as people's motor homes. All of them structurally sound. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Dec 17 13:02:58 2014, in response to Re: Pennsy, posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Wed Dec 17 11:53:34 2014. I have no direct info on the exact design evolution, but I suggest that single axles at each end work differently for individal buses and cars in a train. As to CWR, while it gives a better ride, jointed but Well Maintained rail did very well on decently managed RRs. There was a story that the Aerotrain cars bounced so badly that couplers disengaged. This may well have been a Rock Island issue, but I would point out that all of the Train X, Talgo (1950s version), Aerotrain, failed. |
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