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More Government Hypocrisy |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Oct 27 18:49:51 2014 Sheepsheadbites Blog |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Mon Oct 27 18:59:05 2014, in response to More Government Hypocrisy, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Oct 27 18:49:51 2014. I don't see any government hypocrisy in your opinion piece. There are also many errors in your opinion piece. Maybe I will get around to listing them. |
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Posted by Allan on Mon Oct 27 19:02:13 2014, in response to Re: More Government Hypocrisy, posted by terRAPIN station on Mon Oct 27 18:59:05 2014. Someone here actually reads his articles??? |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Mon Oct 27 19:05:22 2014, in response to Re: More Government Hypocrisy, posted by Allan on Mon Oct 27 19:02:13 2014. I know, I shouldn't have. But there is an entertainment value, followed by the "smacking-my-damn-head" value. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Oct 27 19:05:25 2014, in response to Re: More Government Hypocrisy, posted by Allan on Mon Oct 27 19:02:13 2014. I do. They are thorough and informative. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Oct 27 19:11:12 2014, in response to More Government Hypocrisy, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Oct 27 18:49:51 2014. Government and hypocrisy are synonyms. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Oct 27 20:02:53 2014, in response to Re: More Government Hypocrisy, posted by italianstallion on Mon Oct 27 19:05:25 2014. Surely you kid. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Oct 27 20:06:52 2014, in response to Re: More Government Hypocrisy, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Oct 27 20:02:53 2014. I don't always agree with him, but he actually cares about improving the system. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Oct 28 07:21:30 2014, in response to Re: More Government Hypocrisy, posted by italianstallion on Mon Oct 27 20:06:52 2014. So what? A lot of people care about improving the system. But just because they do doesn't mean they know what they are talking about! Many of these people are misguided and just plain wrong. Their ideas are completely unworkable, possibly even making things WORSE, and have no basis in reality. So why would you read them except for the pure entertainment value? |
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Posted by GojiMet86 on Tue Oct 28 07:38:16 2014, in response to Re: More Government Hypocrisy, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Oct 28 07:21:30 2014. Because he's not actually wrong in many cases. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Oct 28 08:13:47 2014, in response to Re: More Government Hypocrisy, posted by GojiMet86 on Tue Oct 28 07:38:16 2014. I disagree. I think he actually is quite wrong in almost all cases. Take his most recent opinion piece for example. Please tell me what you think he got correct. And then we'll examine it together. |
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Posted by WillD on Tue Oct 28 08:41:20 2014, in response to Re: More Government Hypocrisy, posted by GojiMet86 on Tue Oct 28 07:38:16 2014. He's wrong when he argues roads must be wholly dedicated to drivers, to the detriment of all other users. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Oct 28 08:42:57 2014, in response to Re: More Government Hypocrisy, posted by WillD on Tue Oct 28 08:41:20 2014. Not even wholly, he says they should be primarily for drivers as drivers should not see any increase in delay due to the creation of bus lanes. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Oct 28 09:15:55 2014, in response to Re: More Government Hypocrisy, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Oct 28 07:21:30 2014. Because he has actually made major improvements to the system unlike anything you have ever done. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Oct 28 09:23:54 2014, in response to Re: More Government Hypocrisy, posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Oct 28 08:42:57 2014. I never even said that. Shows you how well you can read. Since a bus carries much more passengers than a car, if more people benefit from a bus lane than are hurt, they certainly should be created.My entire problem with the bus lanes (outside of Manhattan) is that no data has been presented that actually shows the numbers of people whose trips are decreased vs those whose trips are lengthened because of the exclusive lanes and extra walking. That is due to the farther spaced bus stops. Also, they have ignored the increase in travel time for non-bus users because of the lanes. All the MTA has focused on is that bus running time from end to end that has decreased. That does not paint the entire picture which is what I want to see. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Oct 28 09:49:58 2014, in response to Re: More Government Hypocrisy, posted by GojiMet86 on Tue Oct 28 07:38:16 2014. Actually he is wrong on many counts in his analysis. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Oct 28 09:51:49 2014, in response to Re: More Government Hypocrisy, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Oct 28 09:23:54 2014. Correct. While they may decrease many peoples rides who take the bus. It would cause much delays for many more people. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Oct 28 15:51:41 2014, in response to Re: More Government Hypocrisy, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Oct 28 09:23:54 2014. extra walkingIt's interesting that you mention that since in recent years, there has been a push by transit advocates* to push stops that are much further apart, similar to practices in other European countries. As a former bus rider, the reason I hated the bus was because we did end up stopping at every other block to pick up another rider, and I suspect it's why a lot of people are willing to ride the train, but they'll bypass the bus. *Not people like Straphangers, but by bloggers like Alon Levy and Yonah Freemark. |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Tue Oct 28 18:07:26 2014, in response to Re: More Government Hypocrisy, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Oct 28 09:51:49 2014. What he's saying is that it only decreases the ride for riders going from end to end, which is not the majority of passengers on bus routes and usually only consists of the Bus Operator.A recent non-SBS example is the N6x. Stops were removed to the point where the ridership was essentially bypassed and turnover was eliminated. Riders going between Hempstead and the (F) train (like 1% of ridership) had their ride sped up, everyone else was screwed. The N6x was empty, the N6 Local was jammed and flag central, ridership plummeted and has yet to be recouped even as some stops were reinstated. Its like, sure, the ride for those going between Emmons Ave and the (J) train on the B44 SBS is going to have their trip sped up by 15% or whatever, but who is actually traveling the full distance? Most are just trying to get to and from the nearest subway station where there may be no savings because of dwell times/etc. It may be 1 min savings between stops that accumulate to a 15 mins quicker ride from terminal to terminal. So basically, it only helps the B/O get to their layover point quicker. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Oct 29 10:12:39 2014, in response to Re: More Government Hypocrisy, posted by N6 Limited on Tue Oct 28 18:07:26 2014. Exactly.The only way to determine if more bus passengers are helped than hurt is to consider total travel time for passengers which is more important than total travel time for the bus which is only important to the MTA. My friend recently took the M15 from South Ferry one evening to 79 St and loved it because the trip only took 33 minutes and she saved the transfer from the train to the bus. She said she would never ride the SBS during the day, however. Those are the people it helps. People taking 5 mile or more bus trips. However the typical average local bus trip is only 2.3 miles. Those people complain about the irregular service on SBS. The long waits combined with the extra walking may save them only a minute or two or could take them five minutes longer. Then you also have to consider that those using the street other than buses have increased travel times due to lower roadway capacity. That has also been ignored. On the S79, it was shown that auto travel times increased by 10 percent not only on Hylan Blvd where the parking lanes previously open to car travel durin the rush hours in the peak direction, are now exclusive bus lanes. Further, travel time also increased by 10% also on the parallel Father Capadonno Blvd. But DOT dismissed both increases as insignificant. However. When bus passengers saved 10% travel time (amounting to about 2 minutes) on the M34 SBS, they called that significant. The problem is that few question the MTA and DOT and believe all their claims that SBS is a panacea that will save the City and the local bus system when the truth is that when all is said and done and the SBS program is completed, only about 10% of local buses will have SBS and all the local bus problems we have today such as inadequate bus routing in some areas and inconvenient transfers, poor reliability will still remain. Last week another friend in Brooklyn took a two bus trip of one mile and a quarter during the afternoon. (the B68 and the B82). The trip took him about an hour and 25 minutes because he had to wait nearly 30 minutes for each bus because of bus bunching. How wil SBS help him? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Oct 29 10:38:23 2014, in response to Re: More Government Hypocrisy, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Oct 28 15:51:41 2014. Pushing bus stops further apart from every two blocks to every three blocks in certain instances makes sense, when the stops are moderately used. The trade off is quicker bus trips but extra walking. However, it does not make sense when there is a lot of turn over and many are already getting on and off at each stop, because, the increased dwell time counteracts the quicker travel time so that little if any time is actually saved. Limited service makes more sense in those instances than increasing bus stop spacing.The other time it makes no sense is when the stops are all lightly used and the bus skips most of them anyway, so no time is actually saved. All that is accomplished is that passengers have to walk a block further to the bus stop. That is exactly what happened to my bus stop 11 years ago when it was eliminated. Instead of getting the bus on my corner, I now have to walk an extra block. That is not much of a problem. The problem is that walking that extra block, I now miss the bus I would have gotten about 30% of the time adding at least 10 minutes to my trip. And the MTA saves nothing since prior to elimination it only had 54 users in an entire day.(it was near the beginning of the route so no one got off there.) That meant that with about 150 bus trips per day, one out of every three buses even stopped three riders stopped there if the riders were evenly spaced throughout the 24 hour period. Most likely half of them were rush hour riders, meaning more like only one out of four or five buses stopped there and they saved about 30 seconds by not stopping, but all 54 users now had 10 minute longer bus trips a third of the time and some of them now have to walk more than one quarter mile to access the bus. As far as European cities with quarter mile spacing, in many cases there are no subways, so the bus really acts as a subway. Here some have a choice between bus or train, so those who do not like the close spacing use the train instead, while those who prefer less walking and do not mind the slower speed use the bus. Many bus users are elderly, infirm, or have a problem walking and must use buses. To not consider them and force more bus riders to rely on access a ride instead would not be wise. You will find it is more the young and healthy riders who complain about the close bus stop spacing. |
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Posted by Jsun21 on Wed Oct 29 11:46:32 2014, in response to Re: More Government Hypocrisy, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Oct 28 15:51:41 2014. Agreed, on the Q111 by Baisley there are THREE stops between Guy Brewer/Linden and Bedell street. Once city block distance, but three stops and every bell gets rung creating a huge time sink during rush hour. There are a few examples of this. |
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Posted by GojiMet86 on Wed Oct 29 12:25:35 2014, in response to Re: More Government Hypocrisy, posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Oct 28 08:13:47 2014. For one, him criticizing the blogger who claims that the Brighton line is underutilized, or criticizing the TA for not studying the rail alternatives and instead focusing on BRT.Tell me what you think is wrong, because frankly you seem to be more interested in furthering your vendetta against him than making actual criticism. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Oct 29 21:57:58 2014, in response to Re: More Government Hypocrisy, posted by GojiMet86 on Wed Oct 29 12:25:35 2014. For one, him criticizing the blogger who claims that the Brighton line is underutilizedSeriously? How is BrooklynBus "correct" about that? First of all, the blogger cited an official looking table purported to be from the MTA. Short of the blogger lying and posting a fake document, how can the blogger be "wrong"? He is citing the MTA's data, and NYCT knows how to measure volume and capacity and find the peak load location. Again, how can the blogger be "wrong"? And what did BrooklynBus do? He just came in and made a statement that the peak load point is one of two other stations and not the one that the MTA claims. Does he offer any proff? He even claims the capacity utilization may be 20% higher than what the MTA claims! That's a pretty big claim! Does BrooklynBus offer any proff? Any proff at all? No! Know why? Because he's intellectually lazy and almost always wrong. He could post photos. He could do counts. Does he? No. How did he come to his assertion? He's just one man. How could he possibly know the capacity utilization better than NYCT???? I'll add more later. |
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Posted by rkba on Wed Oct 29 22:05:08 2014, in response to Re: More Government Hypocrisy, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Oct 29 21:57:58 2014. Wah wah wah.Friday night, how we love your calm. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Oct 30 08:20:14 2014, in response to Re: More Government Hypocrisy, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Oct 28 09:15:55 2014. Because he has actually made major improvements to the systemThat's awfully subjective, don't you think? Wouldn't many people disagree that what you did were "improvements"??? unlike anything you have ever done.WHOA, slow down there Smarty Jones. What do you know about me that justifies you making such a ridiculous claim? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Oct 30 10:35:17 2014, in response to Re: More Government Hypocrisy, posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Oct 30 08:20:14 2014. The thing is only one written complaint (regarding the discontinued portion of the B1 I was responsible for) was received by the MTA as a result of the group of bus route changes I was responsible for went into affect. All the other complaints such as the B11 being too long and reducing reliabiliy, and the B74 being rerouted from Mermaid to Surf Avenue were the result of MTA modifications to my plan. The B11 had to be shortened. Also, hundreds of people protested the B74 rerouting and it had to be returned to its former route. No one demonstrated against any of my improvements.Thousands of people are helped each day because they now can make trips with one bus that previously required three buses. And all of my 1978 changes remain in effect today. That's how I know they were improvements. Also, I also once saved the MTA $4 million singlehandedly by realizing a contractor was overpaid by that amount. They weren't too happy about having to refund that money. I once told you that and asked you how much you saved your mailroom where you worked. You never responded. |
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Posted by GojiMet86 on Fri Oct 31 00:21:21 2014, in response to Re: More Government Hypocrisy, posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Oct 30 08:20:14 2014. Show us people who do. |
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Posted by The Logic on Fri Oct 31 00:27:13 2014, in response to Re: More Government Hypocrisy, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Oct 30 10:35:17 2014. Respect for Mr. Allan Rosen! |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Fri Oct 31 01:01:34 2014, in response to Re: More Government Hypocrisy, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Oct 28 15:51:41 2014. I agree, that's why I don't like the Q44 south of the 7 train. It stops like every other block/stop, hardly limited. And when it's between stops its sitting at red traffic signals. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Fri Oct 31 02:11:30 2014, in response to Re: More Government Hypocrisy, posted by GojiMet86 on Fri Oct 31 00:21:21 2014. Edwards! |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Oct 31 21:18:12 2014, in response to Re: More Government Hypocrisy, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Oct 29 21:57:58 2014. "NYCT knows how to measure volume and capacity"? Really.Go and read te discussion on Sheepsheadbites. Andrew picked up something that I missed. NYCT miscalculated the 65%. The actual number shoud have been 74%. Yet you are so sure I am always wrong. |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Oct 31 21:34:36 2014, in response to Re: More Government Hypocrisy, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Oct 31 21:18:12 2014. If it is at 74% of a guideline load leaving its peak load point, than the Brighton is not underserved at all. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Nov 1 10:17:40 2014, in response to Re: More Government Hypocrisy, posted by R30A on Fri Oct 31 21:34:36 2014. But this guy believes we need upzoning to make the trains even more crowded. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Nov 5 14:09:42 2014, in response to Re: More Government Hypocrisy, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Oct 31 21:18:12 2014. Go and read te discussion on Sheepsheadbites. Andrew picked up something that I missed. NYCT miscalculated the 65%. The actual number shoud have been 74%.No, you are incorrect. I've read the discussion. NYCT miscalculated nothing. They made no mistake. 'Andrew' explained all of that quite clearly. Yet you are so sure I am always wrong.You're wrong again, as usual. I'm sure that you are wrong about a lot of stuff, a lot of the time. But I've never said you are always wrong. In this instance, though, you are once again wrong. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Nov 5 14:10:28 2014, in response to Re: More Government Hypocrisy, posted by GojiMet86 on Wed Oct 29 12:25:35 2014. bump: Re: More Government Hypocrisy (1321515) |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Nov 11 08:59:30 2014, in response to Re: More Government Hypocrisy, posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Nov 5 14:09:42 2014. Bump: Re: More Government Hypocrisy (1322334) |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Nov 12 08:22:49 2014, in response to Attn: BrooklynBus ** Re: More Government Hypocrisy, posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Nov 11 08:59:30 2014. bump |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Nov 12 08:34:51 2014, in response to Re: More Government Hypocrisy, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Oct 29 21:57:58 2014. bump |
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Posted by MTA T on Wed Nov 12 18:38:49 2014, in response to Re: Attn: BrooklynBus ** Re: More Government Hypocrisy, posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Nov 12 08:22:49 2014. FuckingDo you really need to bring back shit honestly no one cares about anymore? |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Nov 13 09:15:14 2014, in response to Re: Attn: BrooklynBus ** Re: More Government Hypocrisy, posted by MTA T on Wed Nov 12 18:38:49 2014. FuckingI'll tell you what. I don't don't like what's fucking going on around here. |
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Posted by MTA T on Fri Nov 14 01:26:55 2014, in response to Re: Attn: BrooklynBus ** Re: More Government Hypocrisy, posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Nov 13 09:15:14 2014. Awwww maaaaaan |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Fri Nov 14 07:32:28 2014, in response to Re: Attn: BrooklynBus ** Re: More Government Hypocrisy, posted by MTA T on Fri Nov 14 01:26:55 2014. Grape |
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Posted by fdtutf on Fri Nov 14 10:55:25 2014, in response to Re: Attn: BrooklynBus ** Re: More Government Hypocrisy, posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Nov 13 09:15:14 2014. I'll tell you what. I don't don't like what's fucking going on around here.If you don't don't like it, does that mean you do like it? |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Fri Nov 14 11:03:15 2014, in response to Re: Attn: BrooklynBus ** Re: More Government Hypocrisy, posted by TerrApin Station on Fri Nov 14 07:32:28 2014. Brian vs. Brian... lol. |
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Posted by MTA T on Fri Nov 14 11:26:04 2014, in response to Re: Attn: BrooklynBus ** Re: More Government Hypocrisy, posted by Gold_12th on Fri Nov 14 11:03:15 2014. "Brian" is a cursed name in this hobby lmao |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Fri Nov 14 15:35:38 2014, in response to Re: Attn: BrooklynBus ** Re: More Government Hypocrisy, posted by fdtutf on Fri Nov 14 10:55:25 2014. There's a perfect example. Unbelievable. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Mon Nov 17 08:14:06 2014, in response to Attn: BrooklynBus ** Re: More Government Hypocrisy, posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Nov 11 08:59:30 2014. bump |
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Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Sun Jul 26 20:32:13 2015, in response to Attn: BrooklynBus ** Re: More Government Hypocrisy, posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Nov 11 08:59:30 2014. bumpRe: More Government Hypocrisy (1323113) |
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