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Uh oh.. Northbound A Train Was Travelling on Southbound Tracks--- There Was No Fog on the Tracks |
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Posted by heypaul on Sun Aug 24 21:12:24 2014 The Daily News has this story. On August 11, a southbound A was turned at Canal Street, only it was never crossed onto northbound tracks. Dispatchers were unable to contact the motorwoman. Fortunately Frank was the B division train master that day and he and his crew were able to clear the southbound express tracks all the way up to 207th Street.Here's a Stack of Forms to Fill Out |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Aug 24 21:30:20 2014, in response to Uh oh.. Northbound A Train Was Travelling on Southbound Tracks--- There Was No Fog on the Tracks, posted by heypaul on Sun Aug 24 21:12:24 2014. Yeah, looks like the C/R also eats it for not pulling the cord. :(Some really good questions abound here though, such as what were the signals displaying and what about that radio? Then there's the issue of not knowing your territory and knowing where your points of no return are and where your relays get done anywhere on the route. :( |
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Posted by heypaul on Sun Aug 24 23:03:58 2014, in response to Re: Uh oh.. Northbound A Train Was Travelling on Southbound Tracks--- There Was No Fog on the Tracks, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Aug 24 21:30:20 2014. Can you imagine the conversation if fat Caz Dolowitz was in the tower when this happened.Mr. Dolowitz, there's a train heading northbound on the southbound tracks. Caz: That dumb bastard. I'm going to nail this guy's pecker to the wall. Please watch your language Mr. Dolowitz, it's a woman train operator. |
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Re: Uh oh.. Northbound A Train Was Travelling on Southbound Tracks--- There Was No Fog on the Tracks |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Aug 24 23:26:23 2014, in response to Re: Uh oh.. Northbound A Train Was Travelling on Southbound Tracks--- There Was No Fog on the Tracks, posted by heypaul on Sun Aug 24 23:03:58 2014. 
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Posted by jabrams on Sun Aug 24 23:39:21 2014, in response to Re: Uh oh.. Northbound A Train Was Travelling on Southbound Tracks--- There Was No Fog on the Tracks, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Aug 24 21:30:20 2014. How did the train ever leave Canal Street? Since the signal was red behind the train, shouldn't the trip arm trip the train as it went reverse past the signal(s). Wouldn't there also be a tower signal facing N/B on the southbound track incase they had to wrong rail a train into the S/B track from the spur track? |
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Posted by FtGreeneG on Sun Aug 24 23:45:51 2014, in response to Uh oh.. Northbound A Train Was Travelling on Southbound Tracks--- There Was No Fog on the Tracks, posted by heypaul on Sun Aug 24 21:12:24 2014. Quite sure WTC dispatch wanted the motorwoman to discharge the train keep going southbound to the middle track bet Canal and Chambers and change ends and bring it northbound from there. During GO wheres A & D's were terminating at 59 had to lay an A up on that middle track once. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 25 00:38:09 2014, in response to Re: Uh oh.. Northbound A Train Was Travelling on Southbound Tracks--- There Was No Fog on the Tracks, posted by jabrams on Sun Aug 24 23:39:21 2014. GOOD question! :)OK ... it's been over 40 years since I worked there now, but as best as I remember, the track circuit that you're ON has the tripper "behind" you retained (or down). This is why you have to bridge the insulated joint between the block you're in (moving forward of course) onto the advance track circuit in order to key by and drive down the stop in order to proceed. Therefore, the track circuit your train is occupying will have the tripper behind you down as well for each track circuit that you DO occupy. Could be wrong, but that's what I remember. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Aug 25 00:59:45 2014, in response to Uh oh.. Northbound A Train Was Travelling on Southbound Tracks--- There Was No Fog on the Tracks, posted by heypaul on Sun Aug 24 21:12:24 2014. Whatever happened to "route familiarization" training? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 25 01:02:00 2014, in response to Re: Uh oh.. Northbound A Train Was Travelling on Southbound Tracks--- There Was No Fog on the Tracks, posted by randyo on Mon Aug 25 00:59:45 2014. "Know your lineup" signs. :( |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Aug 25 01:13:40 2014, in response to Re: Uh oh.. Northbound A Train Was Travelling on Southbound Tracks--- There Was No Fog on the Tracks, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 25 01:02:00 2014. When we were MOTORMEN (not train operators) we had to memorize our lineups and if we took a wrong route, the Chief Trainmaster would be waiting for us at Jay St! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 25 01:16:21 2014, in response to Re: Uh oh.. Northbound A Train Was Travelling on Southbound Tracks--- There Was No Fog on the Tracks, posted by randyo on Mon Aug 25 01:13:40 2014. Hell ... we had to memorize every route that we never ran on too because you KNEW we'd end up on them somehow. :)Just out of curiosity, was I right about the retaining of the trips behind when going backwards? I'm pretty sure I was ... if you were going against the flow, they wouldn't hit you up unless the traffic circuits were reversed like on middle track runs, right? |
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Posted by FtGreeneG on Mon Aug 25 01:24:16 2014, in response to Re: Uh oh.. Northbound A Train Was Travelling on Southbound Tracks--- There Was No Fog on the Tracks, posted by randyo on Mon Aug 25 01:13:40 2014. Went through schoolcar not too long ago. Towards the end they do go over route familarization but they don't really go over too many rare case scenarios ie if you are told to discharge and turn at canal what's the move. Just learn em along the way seems to me. That's why I ask for specifics when I'm to do a move I'm not familar with. The dispatch sometimes assumes you know it so I rather ask and risk sounding stupid than make a wrong move. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 25 01:34:17 2014, in response to Re: Uh oh.. Northbound A Train Was Travelling on Southbound Tracks--- There Was No Fog on the Tracks, posted by FtGreeneG on Mon Aug 25 01:24:16 2014. Back in my time, you'd get a motor instructor that would ride with you and point out the tricks along the way. And yeah, it would include things like that. :( |
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Posted by FtGreeneG on Mon Aug 25 01:48:37 2014, in response to Re: Uh oh.. Northbound A Train Was Travelling on Southbound Tracks--- There Was No Fog on the Tracks, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 25 01:34:17 2014. I would say in my experience if you ask they are pretty good explaining and/or sending a TSS if one not already present especially T/O on probation. But with new T/O's it is a large system with a lot of info to learned so I'm sure there might be some things that might get forgotten in terms of rarely done moves. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 25 01:55:45 2014, in response to Re: Uh oh.. Northbound A Train Was Travelling on Southbound Tracks--- There Was No Fog on the Tracks, posted by FtGreeneG on Mon Aug 25 01:48:37 2014. The system has actually shrunken slightly since my time, but the duties of motor instructors changed when they became TSS' so I can understand they don't have the time they did for road training like they used to. You were expected to know your routes and lineups, you actually had to post on your own time and you got tested on how well you knew things.As to the oddballs, most MMI's of the time would ask you when you passed various locations if you knew what to do if you had to relay there and if you knew, that was the end of it. If you didn't, they'd tell you. 72 on CPW, Canal, 42 on 8th, the interlockings at 34 on 6, North of 167 on the Concourse, center tracks at 2nd Ave were all fair game for "What do you do?" Then again, they weren't out there with radar guns back in my day and weren't busy removing zebras and shorting out signals for efficiency tests either. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 25 01:58:07 2014, in response to Uh oh.. Northbound A Train Was Travelling on Southbound Tracks--- There Was No Fog on the Tracks, posted by heypaul on Sun Aug 24 21:12:24 2014. Sexist article for posting her gender. Was gender necessary??? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 25 01:59:35 2014, in response to Re: Uh oh.. Northbound A Train Was Travelling on Southbound Tracks--- There Was No Fog on the Tracks, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 25 01:55:45 2014. transit does everything to lower self-esteem.they won't even tell Vacation Relief people until Friday if they have off Labor Day so they can't make plans. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 25 02:03:01 2014, in response to Re: Uh oh.. Northbound A Train Was Travelling on Southbound Tracks--- There Was No Fog on the Tracks, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 25 01:59:35 2014. Yeah, I was there just as the Empty-yay started changing things. When I came on, everybody pretty much knew how ficked everything was and so for the most part, we all worked together to just keep the railroad from collapsing on us. Management too.Then Ronan's empire brought in the douches and just kept hiring more of them. :( A couple of years after I left, buddies I'd run into were already telling what a horror show it was turning into. With some of the pencil necks of management in the past decade and change, I can only imagine how stupid things got. :( |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 25 02:04:03 2014, in response to Re: Uh oh.. Northbound A Train Was Travelling on Southbound Tracks--- There Was No Fog on the Tracks, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 25 01:58:07 2014. Daily News is trying to appeal to a conservative audience. I remember when it was a "union man's newspaper." "Women drivers" probably sells. :( |
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Posted by FtGreeneG on Mon Aug 25 02:08:50 2014, in response to Re: Uh oh.. Northbound A Train Was Travelling on Southbound Tracks--- There Was No Fog on the Tracks, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 25 01:55:45 2014. Wow had to post on your own time as in not paid? Now posting in a part of schoolcar schedule. Yeah from what I hear from the old timers presently get away with a lot less now(especially in A div) then bf. More and more signals have event recorders, system safety w/radar guns, new conductors trained to pull the cord a lot faster...etc |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 25 02:20:38 2014, in response to Uh oh.. Northbound A Train Was Travelling on Southbound Tracks--- There Was No Fog on the Tracks, posted by heypaul on Sun Aug 24 21:12:24 2014. 24 years ago.Train Operator I know is talking to someone at Myrtle-Wyckoff on the M/L lines. He's standing by the escalators that never ever work properly. They just don't. He hears a train dump. Something told him to excuses himself from the conversation and go back upstairs. Sees a train in station on Manhattan-bound track and a T/O walking to the n/b(Middle Village bound) end. He says, "Hey what happened? What are you doing?". The T/O, who turned out to be a rookie, says, "I'm bringing this train to East New York Yard". New T/O thought Wyckoff was Myrtle-Broadway. This T/O was actually going to charge the train up and take off around that sharp curve against traffic. Luckily someone stopped him. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 25 02:23:54 2014, in response to Re: Uh oh.. Northbound A Train Was Travelling on Southbound Tracks--- There Was No Fog on the Tracks, posted by FtGreeneG on Mon Aug 25 02:08:50 2014. Yep ... they'd pay you for some, but you were expected to know the system before you sat in that seat in coolcar. What's funny about it is that if you came in as a "buff" they'd do their best to make you leave. Buffs weren't loved. Thought they knew it all and everybody else would really screw with you.About as bad as it was back then was having to lean over when you booked on and let your dispatcher have a whiff of your breath. Lulz. If you ever saw the original Pelham 1-2-3 though, Kaz was *REAL* ... so you didn't mess up because you just didn't want to hear it when you dumped and they were there right at the key door waiting on your ass. Heh. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 25 02:28:57 2014, in response to Re: Uh oh.. Northbound A Train Was Travelling on Southbound Tracks--- There Was No Fog on the Tracks, posted by FtGreeneG on Mon Aug 25 02:08:50 2014. By the way ... since things have changed SO radically since my day, back in my time dispatchers would bitch you out. If you really screwed up, you'd be called down to the Trainmaster's Office (TMO in my handle) and you'd REALLY be having a bad day if you got called up there. |
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Posted by FtGreeneG on Mon Aug 25 02:29:38 2014, in response to Re: Uh oh.. Northbound A Train Was Travelling on Southbound Tracks--- There Was No Fog on the Tracks, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 25 02:20:38 2014. Wow hope he brought that T/O's lunch bc he might have saved him from some serious trouble. |
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Posted by FtGreeneG on Mon Aug 25 02:31:22 2014, in response to Re: Uh oh.. Northbound A Train Was Travelling on Southbound Tracks--- There Was No Fog on the Tracks, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 25 02:23:54 2014. I can definetly believe that..lol |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 25 02:33:09 2014, in response to Re: Uh oh.. Northbound A Train Was Travelling on Southbound Tracks--- There Was No Fog on the Tracks, posted by FtGreeneG on Mon Aug 25 02:31:22 2014. And you were HAPPY that it was just the dispatch chewing you out, because it could get a WHOLE lot worse if they had to pass it upstairs. :) |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Aug 25 09:25:28 2014, in response to Re: Uh oh.. Northbound A Train Was Travelling on Southbound Tracks--- There Was No Fog on the Tracks, posted by jabrams on Sun Aug 24 23:39:21 2014. Normally, even though the signal behind the train is red, the stop arm is "retained" until the train is off the circuit. A train running against traffic would key the automatic signals it was approaching in the wrong direction. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Aug 25 09:38:03 2014, in response to Re: Uh oh.. Northbound A Train Was Travelling on Southbound Tracks--- There Was No Fog on the Tracks, posted by randyo on Mon Aug 25 00:59:45 2014. As usual, the entire story sounds wrong and probably is. First of all, you cannot cross a train from A3 (south) to A4 (north) at Canal St. The train would have gone into 5 track at Chambers St and the operator would have changed ends. The switch at the north end of the track should have been thrown before the leaving home signal was cleared. That used to be controlled by a manned tower at Canal St. I don't know where its controlled from or if the T/O punches (pushes a button) to get the line-up. Obviously the train operator did not know the area or she would have realized that she was leaving A5 on the southbound track against traffic. At the very least, she should have realized it when she entered Canal St. on the southbound track she just left on. Of course the home signal at the south end of Canal St. should have stopped her so there is more to the story but I will make a few calls today. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Aug 25 10:08:09 2014, in response to Re: Uh oh.. Northbound A Train Was Travelling on Southbound Tracks--- There Was No Fog on the Tracks, posted by Train Dude on Mon Aug 25 09:38:03 2014. One correction to the above:A5 at Chambers St. IIRC is now controlled, along with the Canal St. Interlockings, by the tower at WTC. Hence it's far more than the train crew who are now sweating under the bright lights ! |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Aug 25 11:36:18 2014, in response to Re: Uh oh.. Northbound A Train Was Travelling on Southbound Tracks--- There Was No Fog on the Tracks, posted by Train Dude on Mon Aug 25 09:38:03 2014. I don't know about that. The article makes it sound like the train departed northbound from A3 at Canal Street.The proper series of steps would have been to empty the train of passengers, pull into a spur track just south of Canal [A5 track north of Chambers], and then maneuver through a switch to the northbound express track, authorities said.No such crossover would be encountered until north of 23rd Street. I guess there aren't any reverse direction marker signals in that area. |
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Posted by Dan on Mon Aug 25 11:46:42 2014, in response to Re: Uh oh.. Northbound A Train Was Travelling on Southbound Tracks--- There Was No Fog on the Tracks, posted by Train Dude on Mon Aug 25 09:25:28 2014. Simple question from a 'civilian'. Would the train have been stopped by the signalling system before it did any serious damage. |
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Posted by The silence on Mon Aug 25 12:04:01 2014, in response to Re: Uh oh.. Northbound A Train Was Travelling on Southbound Tracks--- There Was No Fog on the Tracks, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 25 01:58:07 2014. Well, she F'ed up royally, so she needs to face the music. Equal action, equal response. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Aug 25 12:20:45 2014, in response to Re: Uh oh.. Northbound A Train Was Travelling on Southbound Tracks--- There Was No Fog on the Tracks, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 25 01:16:21 2014. Correct, and if there was traffic control, they would only come up if there was a train ahead. |
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Posted by Fine, Howard, and Fine on Mon Aug 25 12:26:39 2014, in response to Uh oh.. Northbound A Train Was Travelling on Southbound Tracks--- There Was No Fog on the Tracks, posted by heypaul on Sun Aug 24 21:12:24 2014. Not knowing the details... is that stretch of track fully signaled for bidirectional traffic? If so was there already another train in the traffic lock zone between interlockings, or did the errant operator's entry lock them out from entering? |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Aug 25 12:29:33 2014, in response to Uh oh.. Northbound A Train Was Travelling on Southbound Tracks--- There Was No Fog on the Tracks, posted by heypaul on Sun Aug 24 21:12:24 2014. TRAINS OF LION CANNOT RUN AGAINST THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC.Just Can't. Can't be done. End of story. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Aug 25 12:40:55 2014, in response to Re: Uh oh.. Northbound A Train Was Travelling on Southbound Tracks--- There Was No Fog on the Tracks, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 25 01:55:45 2014. When I was a M/M the training was done on the TA's time not my own. Our class got a light train to take over the road with each M/M taking turns operating it and the rest observing the interlocking locations and what signals took us where. Then each one of us was assigned to a run on each of the lines where we were supposed to have a "seasoned" M/M guide us through the route. That method did, however have a few holes in it since in certain circumstances, we would get breaking in on 2 lines making one trip on each. For example, on the concourse, we made one trip on the CC (rush hour) and one trip on the D which meant that were never broke in on the concourse middle track in either direction. In Queens, we got one trip on a rush hour E to Bkln (mine was actually one ot the Lefferts trips) and a non rush on the F which meant no operation on the express tracks N/O Ctl. As I mentioned, we were supposed to have a seasoned M/M to break us in but when I was a M/M for only a week, I ended up having a student on the AA/B and on the return trip to 168, my train got turned back south at Pacific, so I don't know what ever became of my student since he didn't get the full N/B break in trip. Also my 14 St Line break in trip was from Myrtle north on a short Line and the S/B return was an Atlantic layup so I technically never really broke in on the 14 St Line since the second portion of that day's break in was Met to Bridge/Jay and no Myrtle/Broad trio either. The old timer merely told me which ball to take at Bway.Myrtle fro Bway/Bkln. The QJ was another story, the rush hour trip was a KK Jamaica to 57/6 and the second trip was a QJ local Jamaica - Stl again with no qualification on the express track. Fortunately, being a buff was a help in those instances and I never encountered any anti buff hostility from the brass, in fact I actually got the utmost of respect from my instructors. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Mon Aug 25 12:42:50 2014, in response to Re: Uh oh.. Northbound A Train Was Travelling on Southbound Tracks--- There Was No Fog on the Tracks, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Aug 25 11:36:18 2014. Here's the part that I do not understand, and I'm just a lay-person who has watched the tracks and switches from the "rail-fan window" for years.Would not one notice a track switch between the uptown and downtown express tracks BEFORE entering the Canal Street station? Especially the train operator? Or expect see such a track switch upon leaving the station platforms? Would not the train operator look ahead for such a switch? I suspect that one would be driving the train slowly for a such a switch move? The other question relates to "knowing where you are". In traveling through the wrong direction out of the Canal Street station through the Spring Street local station, would not one notice that there's one track to your (my) left (downtown local), and two tracks to your (my) right the uptown express and local tracks! I'm just asking. Mike |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Aug 25 12:46:16 2014, in response to Re: Uh oh.. Northbound A Train Was Travelling on Southbound Tracks--- There Was No Fog on the Tracks, posted by FtGreeneG on Mon Aug 25 02:31:22 2014. I can definetly believe that.Well you shouldn't. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Aug 25 12:51:51 2014, in response to Re: Uh oh.. Northbound A Train Was Travelling on Southbound Tracks--- There Was No Fog on the Tracks, posted by Michael549 on Mon Aug 25 12:42:50 2014. Sadly, especially since T/Os can now be appointed from open competitive exams instead of promotions from within, the quality of T/Os has gone down dramatically. |
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Posted by FarRock on Mon Aug 25 13:12:27 2014, in response to Uh oh.. Northbound A Train Was Travelling on Southbound Tracks--- There Was No Fog on the Tracks, posted by heypaul on Sun Aug 24 21:12:24 2014. Lol at "Desk Duty" You mean platform job at Grand Central. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Mon Aug 25 13:21:06 2014, in response to Re: Uh oh.. Northbound A Train Was Travelling on Southbound Tracks--- There Was No Fog on the Tracks, posted by randyo on Mon Aug 25 12:51:51 2014. Where's another question:I thought that there would be a double set of single lights if one is approaching a switch point even if both sets of lights are green! (Homeballs??) If there's no switch, the present signal lights would be one set, not two on the main trackage. (Unless I'm totally wrong!) Just how does driving the train not notice the lack of such signal lights? Just asking? Mike |
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Posted by FtGreeneG on Mon Aug 25 13:35:59 2014, in response to Re: Uh oh.. Northbound A Train Was Travelling on Southbound Tracks--- There Was No Fog on the Tracks, posted by Michael549 on Mon Aug 25 13:21:06 2014. Your talking about automatic signals (one mast signals) most tracks are signaled for biditectionsl traffic. However eventually going against normal traffic direction you will run into a marker signal usually protecting important interlockings. Those signals are not to be crossed any cost. |
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Is There a Special Flashing of Headlights When a Motorman Sees a Train ApproachIng Re: Uh oh.. North |
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Posted by heypaul on Mon Aug 25 13:36:29 2014, in response to Uh oh.. Northbound A Train Was Travelling on Southbound Tracks--- There Was No Fog on the Tracks, posted by heypaul on Sun Aug 24 21:12:24 2014. Is there a special flashing ing of headlights or activation of lower red marker lights that a motorman can use to warn the train operator of a train that is approaching in the wrong direction? Or would the motorman be better advised to retire quickly from his operating position? |
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Re: Uh oh.. Northbound A Train Was Travelling on Southbound Tracks--- There Was No Fog on the Tracks |
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Posted by FtGreeneG on Mon Aug 25 13:52:59 2014, in response to Re: Uh oh.. Northbound A Train Was Travelling on Southbound Tracks--- There Was No Fog on the Tracks, posted by randyo on Mon Aug 25 12:40:55 2014. Pretty much how it's done now. |
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Re: Uh oh.. Northbound A Train Was Travelling on Southbound Tracks--- There Was No Fog on the Tracks |
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Posted by FtGreeneG on Mon Aug 25 13:57:54 2014, in response to Re: Uh oh.. Northbound A Train Was Travelling on Southbound Tracks--- There Was No Fog on the Tracks, posted by randyo on Mon Aug 25 12:40:55 2014. Don't get qualified on the L now until T/O becomes CBTC qualfied. Senior guys got that line locked up...lol |
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Re: Uh oh.. Northbound A Train Was Travelling on Southbound Tracks--- There Was No Fog on the Tracks |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Aug 25 14:12:22 2014, in response to Re: Uh oh.. Northbound A Train Was Travelling on Southbound Tracks--- There Was No Fog on the Tracks, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Aug 25 11:36:18 2014. Not that it makes a difference in this case - even north of 23rd st there is no cross over. The train would have to pull into the 30th St spur and then cross over. The interesting part of this incident is that if the story is accurate, then the T/O pulled into 5 track and then the tower operator gave the T/O the home signal to leave without normaling the switch on A3. This sent the train back north on A3 which is the southbound express. Since the train had the line-up back into canal, the home signals at the crossover south of canal had to allow reverse traffic. Why? Also, there was supposed to be a supervisor in that tower whom I suspect is not a happy camper today. |
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Re: Uh oh.. Northbound A Train Was Travelling on Southbound Tracks--- There Was No Fog on the Tracks |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Aug 25 14:14:22 2014, in response to Re: Uh oh.. Northbound A Train Was Travelling on Southbound Tracks--- There Was No Fog on the Tracks, posted by randyo on Mon Aug 25 12:40:55 2014. Of course they've dumbed the job down somewhat. Now at key interlockings there are signs telling you what signal aspects you should expect for different routes |
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Re: Uh oh.. Northbound A Train Was Travelling on Southbound Tracks--- There Was No Fog on the Tracks |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Aug 25 14:18:07 2014, in response to Re: Uh oh.. Northbound A Train Was Travelling on Southbound Tracks--- There Was No Fog on the Tracks, posted by FtGreeneG on Mon Aug 25 02:08:50 2014. I'd be highly skeptical of the claim of people being required to post on their own time. There are some conscientious employees who do ride on their own time but I doubt that it was ever required after the merger into one rail system |
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Re: Uh oh.. Northbound A Train Was Travelling on Southbound Tracks--- There Was No Fog on the Tracks |
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Mon Aug 25 14:40:07 2014, in response to Re: Uh oh.. Northbound A Train Was Travelling on Southbound Tracks--- There Was No Fog on the Tracks, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Aug 24 21:30:20 2014. If the dispatcher simply said to the motor(wo)man "proceed uptown", is there an implied procedure to discharge, relay, re-enter Canal and proceed uptown, or was the command "proceed uptown" interpreted as "change ends, proceed uptown" with the implication that control center will route the train properly"? (I know nobody on the board knows this for sure, but it's something that needs to be investigated.) Canal St might have the infrastructure to do a reverse move like that but suppose this was done at a station that didn't have leading or trailing switches?--Mark |
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Re: Uh oh.. Northbound A Train Was Travelling on Southbound Tracks--- There Was No Fog on the Tracks |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 25 16:38:46 2014, in response to Re: Uh oh.. Northbound A Train Was Travelling on Southbound Tracks--- There Was No Fog on the Tracks, posted by Dan on Mon Aug 25 11:46:42 2014. Amazingly, no. This is the reason why running in the wrong direction is such a serious matter. Had that other train be hidden around a curve, there could likely have been a head-on. :( |
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