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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Apr 16 07:17:40 2014, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue subway station pic, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 14 15:40:05 2014. I exited once at 18th/7th just to be able to say that I did it- actually 14th would've been better on the particular occasion. |
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Re: When Myrtle Av was Gold St (Was: Myrtle Avenue subway station pic) |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Apr 16 07:21:20 2014, in response to When Myrtle Av was Gold St (Was: Myrtle Avenue subway station pic), posted by VictorM on Mon Apr 14 22:57:16 2014. Holy shit!! Obviously, it was tiled as Gold St. Does anyone here have any personal memory of whether this tilework was easily visible in the 1950s?If not, did they just cover it with sings, or actually re-tile it? Also, obviously, the station lights hadn't been turned on yet, and they didn't have powerful floodlights to illuminate the shot, but I still congratulate the photographer, whoever he was, for getting the shot done with the technology he had available back then... |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Apr 16 07:23:51 2014, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue subway station pic, posted by Gene B. on Tue Apr 15 12:06:08 2014. Which, I guess, is why the NYCTA sacrificed it as part of the De Kalb reconstruction. If it was a vital station, I'm sure they'd have found a way to save and/or reposition it... |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Apr 16 07:26:04 2014, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue subway station pic, posted by Michael549 on Mon Apr 14 12:56:15 2014. At the S/E corner of Park Ave. South and East 18th Street, the foundations of the old IRT kiosk are still easily visible in the sidewalk- and were even more so 10 years ago. Also, the emergency escape hatch is located right there. |
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Posted by Randyo on Wed Apr 16 13:36:50 2014, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue subway station pic, posted by Bob Andersen on Tue Apr 15 18:56:10 2014. I noticed that but very often reporters get to see certain locations before they are open to the public and the station name may have been changed between the time the reporters got the info and the time the station actually opened. I wonder of there are any photos of the station actually open and in service under the name "Gold St." |
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Posted by Randyo on Wed Apr 16 13:39:11 2014, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue subway station pic, posted by MainR3664 on Wed Apr 16 07:23:51 2014. If the proposed new station on the Myrtle Av el at Flatbush Ext had been built with a transfer to the subway at that station it likely would have remained open and the Dekalb Av realignment accomplished somewhat differently. |
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Posted by rbseabeach on Wed Apr 16 13:45:12 2014, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue subway station pic, posted by Randyo on Mon Apr 14 19:24:13 2014. ok but LOOK at all the new buildings!!!IMHO there needs to be something further north than willoughby. There is no way to put in an underground connector from Tillary? |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Apr 16 13:48:24 2014, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue subway station pic, posted by Randyo on Wed Apr 16 13:39:11 2014. Seems logical. Who knows- it may have even resulted in the Myrtle Ave. El still existing! |
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Posted by Randyo on Wed Apr 16 14:47:21 2014, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue subway station pic, posted by rbseabeach on Wed Apr 16 13:45:12 2014. With all the underground tunnel work and the consequent electrical wiring, there is probably no space for even an underground connector. Besides you can't always have subway stations on top of every office building in an area. Some of us will have to walk a few blocks even in the rain and snow to get from the subway to our offices or homes. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Apr 16 14:48:01 2014, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue subway station pic, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Apr 13 16:03:39 2014. oh yeah...plenty of folks would use it since housing and Metrotech is right there. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Wed Apr 16 15:26:57 2014, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue subway station pic, posted by jan k. lorenzen on Tue Apr 15 12:39:31 2014. YO JAN,DON`Y YOU READ MY POSTS? ITS A COMPLETE LOOP TUNNEL THAT I WAS IN,PERIOD. |
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Posted by rbseabeach on Wed Apr 16 17:48:07 2014, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue subway station pic, posted by Randyo on Wed Apr 16 14:47:21 2014. I know, but correct me if I am wrong... even when Myrtle was open and there WAS a Myrtle Avenue El, there still wasn't the commercial and residential population that is there now. THat is what got me thinking about it. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Apr 16 18:14:26 2014, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue subway station pic, posted by Gene B. on Tue Apr 15 12:06:08 2014. Area's changed. Metrotech is right there. |
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Posted by renee gil on Thu Apr 17 00:59:20 2014, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue subway station pic, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Apr 16 18:14:26 2014. exactly. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Thu Apr 17 10:05:13 2014, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue subway station pic, posted by tunnelrat on Mon Apr 14 18:46:48 2014. Just so I have it correctly, the loop crossed the main line at grade.That is, the loop track crossed four (4) tracks, as it went from north to south bound. Was it ever used in that capacity? |
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Posted by renee gil on Thu Apr 17 10:32:55 2014, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue subway station pic, posted by tunnelrat on Wed Apr 16 15:26:57 2014. the loop is not complete:
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Posted by Union Tpke on Thu Apr 17 11:06:10 2014, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue subway station pic, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Mon Apr 14 23:46:49 2014. I never knew that and I love your pictures on nycsubway.org |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Thu Apr 17 11:09:25 2014, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue subway station pic, posted by Michael549 on Mon Apr 14 12:56:15 2014. Yeah the pocket track was taken away, the pocket track on the northbound side still does exist before 14th St, |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Thu Apr 17 11:10:00 2014, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue subway station pic, posted by Michael549 on Mon Apr 14 12:56:15 2014. why were the pocket tracks here and the ones at 72nd St created in the first place? |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Thu Apr 17 11:13:40 2014, in response to When Myrtle Av was Gold St (Was: Myrtle Avenue subway station pic), posted by VictorM on Mon Apr 14 22:57:16 2014. This is an amazing picture! |
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Posted by Michael549 on Thu Apr 17 12:27:54 2014, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue subway station pic, posted by renee gil on Thu Apr 17 10:32:55 2014. Hi,I believe that the loop track that has been mentioned was supposed to exist and connect about the position marked as A282. I understand that there were supposed to be two side tracks that would form a loop track UNDER the Manhattan Bridge. As I understand it, this loop track was never built. Mike |
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Posted by jan k. lorenzen on Thu Apr 17 13:16:22 2014, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue subway station pic, posted by tunnelrat on Wed Apr 16 15:26:57 2014. Sure, I read your posts.Just trying to keep the conversation going, hoping someone would have some more proff or other interesting things to offer on this loop and maybe the Gold St./Myrtle Ave. station. |
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Posted by Randyo on Thu Apr 17 15:40:31 2014, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue subway station pic, posted by rbseabeach on Wed Apr 16 17:48:07 2014. However, there was never any free transfer between the subway and the el at that location since the nearest station, Bridge St was several blocks away. |
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Posted by Randyo on Thu Apr 17 15:43:17 2014, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue subway station pic, posted by Union Tpke on Thu Apr 17 11:10:00 2014. I have no idea, but it was characteristic of all the IRT express stations on the original subway except for 96 St and Bkln Br. Even the Grand Central shuttle station when it was a through station on the original mainline had the same configuration. |
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Posted by Randyo on Thu Apr 17 15:51:56 2014, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue subway station pic, posted by tunnelrat on Mon Apr 14 18:46:48 2014. I don't know where the loop could have been since I passed through that area many times as a M/M on very BMT line that ran there and I saw bellmouths on both sides but absolutely no evidence of a loop crossing at grade. It would also have made no sense for the BRT or the BMT to install a short turn loop that would have passed at grade considering all the through train traffic passing through the area. FYI evan as late as the late 1930s when the handwriting was on the wall for city takeover, the BMT had plans for completing the loop and operating a special 4 Av lcl service between 95 St and Gold St using the Bluebirds since at the time it was anticipated that all 50 units originally scheduled for manufacture would be built. |
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Posted by Randyo on Thu Apr 17 15:54:18 2014, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue subway station pic, posted by Michael549 on Thu Apr 17 12:27:54 2014. I mentioned that to the tunnel rat since having been a M/M through that area on all the bMT lines that pass through there I never saw evidence of any sort of loop infrastructure, just bellmouths on both sides. |
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Posted by rbseabeach on Thu Apr 17 16:16:25 2014, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue subway station pic, posted by Randyo on Thu Apr 17 15:40:31 2014. Thank you |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Thu Apr 17 16:28:46 2014, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue subway station pic, posted by Avid Reader on Thu Apr 17 10:05:13 2014. no,and when I was in the hole I only remember 2 tracks.after all,it was 50 years ago.no track was installed. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Thu Apr 17 16:31:29 2014, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue subway station pic, posted by Randyo on Thu Apr 17 15:54:18 2014. bellmouths are sealed,just like 63rd drive& 66th.ave on queens blvd. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Thu Apr 17 16:33:51 2014, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue subway station pic, posted by renee gil on Thu Apr 17 10:32:55 2014. where did you get this drawing from?it does not show the bellmouth from the manh.side. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Thu Apr 17 16:36:50 2014, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue subway station pic, posted by jan k. lorenzen on Thu Apr 17 13:16:22 2014. gonna be up for members day? |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Thu Apr 17 16:41:31 2014, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue subway station pic, posted by Randyo on Thu Apr 17 15:51:56 2014. I made a delivery from the emergency exit/airshaft under the BQE just before the east river.went down a distance to track level.you probably were concentrating on looking ahead,not to your right and left. |
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Posted by Randyo on Thu Apr 17 18:19:03 2014, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue subway station pic, posted by tunnelrat on Thu Apr 17 16:41:31 2014. I looked in all direction because I knew about the proposed loop. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Thu Apr 17 18:20:48 2014, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue subway station pic, posted by Randyo on Thu Apr 17 18:19:03 2014. what year was this. |
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Posted by Randyo on Thu Apr 17 18:20:50 2014, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue subway station pic, posted by tunnelrat on Thu Apr 17 16:33:51 2014. It does show the Manh side bellmouth just north of where F4 and A4 come together. |
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Posted by Randyo on Thu Apr 17 18:21:29 2014, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue subway station pic, posted by Randyo on Thu Apr 17 18:19:03 2014. I was on the road from June of 1969 to February of 1970. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Thu Apr 17 18:22:44 2014, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue subway station pic, posted by Randyo on Thu Apr 17 18:21:29 2014. they might have been sealed up by then.as I said,I was in `em. |
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Posted by jan k. lorenzen on Thu Apr 17 23:46:30 2014, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue subway station pic, posted by tunnelrat on Thu Apr 17 16:36:50 2014. Depends. I am finally getting my 64 Impala SS restored, and I'm scheduled to flatbed it to Garfield NJ next weekend, either Friday or Saturday. Like to come up to BERA on Members Day. Been a while. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Apr 18 06:53:31 2014, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue subway station pic, posted by Randyo on Thu Apr 17 15:43:17 2014. They do make for a convenient place to lay up a train that breaks down in rush hour. Get it temporarily out of the way, so a deadhead run doesn't foul peak hour service...Then, say, at 10:30 AM get it to a yard. |
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Posted by Randyo on Fri Apr 18 13:04:00 2014, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue subway station pic, posted by MainR3664 on Fri Apr 18 06:53:31 2014. I don't think any of those spurs were long enough for a full length train. The revenue collectors would used them frequently however. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Apr 18 14:03:16 2014, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue subway station pic, posted by Randyo on Thu Apr 17 15:51:56 2014. I don't understand, Randy. I thought that the Bluebirds were built as additional subway/el cars, to supplement the Multis. Why dump 4th Ave riders at DeKalb, when there was underutilized Nassau Loop service on the other side of the MannyB? |
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Posted by Randyo on Fri Apr 18 14:29:40 2014, in response to Re: Myrtle Avenue subway station pic, posted by Elkeeper on Fri Apr 18 14:03:16 2014. I really can't say, but I remember reading an article somewhere indicating that was the plan. Actually, as part of the plan if the 50 Bluebirds were insufficient for the level of service anticipated to be operated, Multis would have been used to complete the service requirements. The BMT's idea was to use cars with the higher acceleration and deceleration of the Bluebirds and Multis to give the passengers a fast a ride to downtown Bkln as the older express trains could do. Remember, even back then there was sufficient employment in downtown Bkln to warrant such a service. |
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