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Posted by Dand124 on Mon Apr 7 12:30:04 2014 http://www.vox.com/2014/3/31/5563600/everything-you-need-to-know-about-boarding-an-amtrak-train |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Mon Apr 7 12:33:35 2014, in response to Amtrak’s insane train boarding rules, explained, posted by Dand124 on Mon Apr 7 12:30:04 2014. More stupidity from Dand124. It NEVER ends!!! |
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Posted by rkba on Mon Apr 7 12:34:16 2014, in response to Re: Amtrak’s insane train boarding rules, explained, posted by Dan Lawrence on Mon Apr 7 12:33:35 2014. Did he write the article? |
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Posted by Dand124 on Mon Apr 7 12:36:40 2014, in response to Re: Amtrak’s insane train boarding rules, explained, posted by Dan Lawrence on Mon Apr 7 12:33:35 2014. 
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Mon Apr 7 12:50:56 2014, in response to Re: Amtrak’s insane train boarding rules, explained, posted by Dand124 on Mon Apr 7 12:36:40 2014. More stupidity by Dand124. It never ends!! |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Apr 7 13:27:02 2014, in response to Amtrak’s insane train boarding rules, explained, posted by Dand124 on Mon Apr 7 12:30:04 2014. AMTK thinks that it runs airplanes.As long as I have to put up with that bullhonk, I may as well fly. Indeed, by paying a few dollars extra Delta will bump you up to zone 1 boarding regardless of where your seat is. ROAR |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Apr 7 14:08:39 2014, in response to Re: Amtrak’s insane train boarding rules, explained, posted by Dan Lawrence on Mon Apr 7 12:33:35 2014. Wrong again, Dan Lawrence. |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Mon Apr 7 14:21:03 2014, in response to Amtrak’s insane train boarding rules, explained, posted by Dand124 on Mon Apr 7 12:30:04 2014. It has nothing to do with terrorism. It has to do with dumbass passengers getting on the wrong train. In France or other European countries where conductors don't bother to take tickets it isn't as much of a problem, but in the US dealing with a mis-routed passenger costs valuable time and $. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 7 14:25:24 2014, in response to Re: Amtrak’s insane train boarding rules, explained, posted by Jersey Mike on Mon Apr 7 14:21:03 2014. Ah! That explains why they do it and why they don't close the loopholes— if you're intelligent enough to sneak through the mezzanine at Penn Station, you're obviously intelligent enough to board the right train. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Apr 7 14:26:50 2014, in response to Re: Amtrak’s insane train boarding rules, explained, posted by rkba on Mon Apr 7 12:34:16 2014. Yes; in WADL's mind, everyone who posts an article he doesn't agree with is that article's author. |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Mon Apr 7 14:56:25 2014, in response to Re: Amtrak’s insane train boarding rules, explained, posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 7 14:25:24 2014. A major reason Amtrak doesn't want people going down to the platform early is that you can have two trains opposite eachother on the platform or just one train (the wrong train) just sitting around until the right train shows up. They really don't want passengers ending up in Sunnyside. |
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Posted by The Orion Kid on Mon Apr 7 15:46:44 2014, in response to Amtrak’s insane train boarding rules, explained, posted by Dand124 on Mon Apr 7 12:30:04 2014. You can also get past it at Penn entering through the NJT 7th Avenue Concourse (that's not the area they mentioned). |
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Posted by Fulton Frank on Mon Apr 7 16:45:41 2014, in response to Amtrak’s insane train boarding rules, explained, posted by Dand124 on Mon Apr 7 12:30:04 2014. I've done all those suggested evades, but the one at 30th St in Phily is the hardest. The "other" stairway is very close and within eye glance of the Amtrak lady letting the other's in. Also, there's often a burly looking Amtrak cop with a mean dog nearby. NYP is the best for getting around this problem. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 7 16:50:45 2014, in response to Amtrak’s insane train boarding rules, explained, posted by Dand124 on Mon Apr 7 12:30:04 2014. >sending traffic to Vox
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Apr 7 18:17:55 2014, in response to Amtrak’s insane train boarding rules, explained, posted by Dand124 on Mon Apr 7 12:30:04 2014. We have the same problem in little ol' Albany. And there's hardly a chance of getting on the wrong train (and if there was, surely a digital sign would be cheaper than all the manpower and additional dwell time the single line adds to the process). No way to get around the line either. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Apr 7 18:22:25 2014, in response to Re: Amtrak’s insane train boarding rules, explained, posted by Jersey Mike on Mon Apr 7 14:21:03 2014. How does it cost time and $? The conductor writes a quick note on an on board ticket thing (maybe throws a few hole punches on it), hands it to the passenger. Passenger boards next train going back to the station. Sometimes that next train is tomorrow, sucks to be him, not Amtrak's problem.For the conductor on board, maybe 1 minute of additional time. Handicapped passengers take up more time than that. Heck, a passenger with a complaint takes up more time than that. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Apr 7 18:23:22 2014, in response to Re: Amtrak’s insane train boarding rules, explained, posted by Jersey Mike on Mon Apr 7 14:56:25 2014. nice thing about Emeryville and several other CA stations--zero barriers. You can comfortably walk right to the platform without ever entering the stations. Never even had my ticket scanned on a recent Starlight trip. 'course since I paid extra to nap going south and thus ate in the diner, the records exist. Qty Total Price Remove1999 - Oasis - Biocompatible All Purpose Cleaner/Dish Liquid, 128oz** $103.96 3007 - Oasis - Biocompatible Laundry Concentrate, 128oz** $1,270.59 |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Apr 7 18:25:13 2014, in response to Re: Amtrak’s insane train boarding rules, explained, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Apr 7 18:23:22 2014. apologies for the additional gibberish. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Apr 7 18:25:56 2014, in response to Re: Amtrak’s insane train boarding rules, explained, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Apr 7 13:27:02 2014. For Southwest in Albany, you can board the rear of the plane. So, even a plane has more than one line. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Apr 7 18:46:57 2014, in response to Re: Amtrak’s insane train boarding rules, explained, posted by Jersey Mike on Mon Apr 7 14:21:03 2014. So they wind up in Essex, MT rather than Essex Jct, VT. I don't care.That is no excuse to retard the entire boarding process. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Apr 7 18:48:40 2014, in response to Re: Amtrak’s insane train boarding rules, explained, posted by The Orion Kid on Mon Apr 7 15:46:44 2014. Amtrak police are becoming wise to the NYPS central corridor trick though. They stand there and turn you back as if it were the East German border. |
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Posted by Dave on Mon Apr 7 19:03:07 2014, in response to Re: Amtrak’s insane train boarding rules, explained, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Apr 7 18:23:22 2014. Same at Ft. Worth and Dallas. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Mon Apr 7 19:50:17 2014, in response to Amtrak’s insane train boarding rules, explained, posted by Dand124 on Mon Apr 7 12:30:04 2014. No problem. I've always wanted to take a long-distance train but haven't had the opportunity yet. If I ever do, I'll just buy an NJ Transit ticket to Penn Station Newark, Trenton, or some other convenient station along the Northeast Corridor where they don't have queues and wait for the Amtrak train there. Presumably my Amtrak ticket will be cheaper besides. That will teach them. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Apr 7 20:01:18 2014, in response to Re: Amtrak’s insane train boarding rules, explained, posted by Joe V on Mon Apr 7 18:48:40 2014. Only in the central corridor? Well maybe that's why no one uses that corridor for this trick! You're doing it wrong! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Apr 7 20:02:43 2014, in response to Re: Amtrak’s insane train boarding rules, explained, posted by Fulton Frank on Mon Apr 7 16:45:41 2014. There is no suggested evade for 30th Street, unless they've updated the article. |
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Posted by DAnD124 on Mon Apr 7 20:04:32 2014, in response to Re: Amtrak’s insane train boarding rules, explained, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 7 16:50:45 2014. What's wrong with Vox? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Apr 7 20:05:15 2014, in response to Re: Amtrak’s insane train boarding rules, explained, posted by Andrew Saucci on Mon Apr 7 19:50:17 2014. No. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Apr 7 20:07:14 2014, in response to Re: Amtrak’s insane train boarding rules, explained, posted by Joe V on Mon Apr 7 18:46:57 2014. That's not the point. Many/some trains are sold out or very full. There's no need to have an extra person onboard. No one wants that. Neither Amtrak nor the passengers. |
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Posted by Gamera on Mon Apr 7 20:27:31 2014, in response to Re: Amtrak’s insane train boarding rules, explained, posted by Dan Lawrence on Mon Apr 7 12:33:35 2014. If you have nothing nice to say then don't say it |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Apr 7 20:36:59 2014, in response to Re: Amtrak’s insane train boarding rules, explained, posted by DAnD124 on Mon Apr 7 20:04:32 2014.  |
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Posted by R30A on Mon Apr 7 20:39:31 2014, in response to Re: Amtrak’s insane train boarding rules, explained, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Apr 7 20:01:18 2014. I use it all the time for this, and only once have been turned back. (twice in the last month!) |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 7 20:57:45 2014, in response to Re: Amtrak’s insane train boarding rules, explained, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Apr 7 20:07:14 2014. Said extra person stands until the next station and then gets off. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Apr 7 20:59:02 2014, in response to Re: Amtrak’s insane train boarding rules, explained, posted by R30A on Mon Apr 7 20:39:31 2014. But there's no Amtrak monitors in that corridor/concourse. Or are there? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Apr 7 21:00:28 2014, in response to Re: Amtrak’s insane train boarding rules, explained, posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 7 20:57:45 2014. That's not what he said. I was responding to that. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 7 21:01:59 2014, in response to Re: Amtrak’s insane train boarding rules, explained, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Apr 7 21:00:28 2014. And I was responding to you. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Apr 7 21:54:54 2014, in response to Amtrak’s insane train boarding rules, explained, posted by Dand124 on Mon Apr 7 12:30:04 2014. Sounds like AMTRAK does this to keep the pols (who often have to deal with paranoid constituents who think terrorists) happy. Might also have to do with concerns of liability if a terrorist did happen to get on board at one of the big stations and something did happen aboard a train like what happened in Europe in the past. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Apr 8 00:08:52 2014, in response to Re: Amtrak’s insane train boarding rules, explained, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Apr 7 18:17:55 2014. Not to mention that there's three cops or feds for each passenger up there in the boarding area. No waiting for a takedown. :) |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Apr 8 08:52:23 2014, in response to Re: Amtrak’s insane train boarding rules, explained, posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 7 21:01:59 2014. Well your response doesn't make any sense based on my post. It's not relevant. It might be more relevant to a previous post in the thread. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Apr 8 08:54:32 2014, in response to Re: Amtrak’s insane train boarding rules, explained, posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Apr 7 21:54:54 2014. Doubt it. |
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Posted by fdtutf on Tue Apr 8 10:11:25 2014, in response to Re: Amtrak’s insane train boarding rules, explained, posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Apr 7 21:54:54 2014. You misspelled "terrist." |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Apr 8 10:18:24 2014, in response to Re: Amtrak’s insane train boarding rules, explained, posted by Andrew Saucci on Mon Apr 7 19:50:17 2014. I don't believe there is any fare differential between traveling from NYP and Newark. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Apr 8 10:20:04 2014, in response to Re: Amtrak’s insane train boarding rules, explained, posted by Fulton Frank on Mon Apr 7 16:45:41 2014. I tried going from the LIRR concourse on Sunday and found a barred door blocking my way that I didn't try to open. I totally understand why they funnel the crowd the way they do at Penn Station. Imagine trying to navigate the platform as you get off a train if a crowd of people was already there waiting to get on. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Apr 8 10:20:29 2014, in response to Re: Amtrak’s insane train boarding rules, explained, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Apr 7 20:59:02 2014. It seems to be random. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Apr 8 10:21:20 2014, in response to Re: Amtrak’s insane train boarding rules, explained, posted by Jersey Mike on Mon Apr 7 14:21:03 2014. I think it has more to do with the size of the platforms at NYP, which would be total madhouses if the passengers waiting to get on trains were already all there and waiting as the incoming train arrived. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Apr 8 11:07:48 2014, in response to Re: Amtrak’s insane train boarding rules, explained, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Apr 8 10:20:04 2014. why, it would be like, like a commuter or transit station! OMG, the sheep would be, be, crowded. Most of them have just arrived by transit and are capable of dealing w/exiting passengers. |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue Apr 8 12:09:23 2014, in response to Re: Amtrak’s insane train boarding rules, explained, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Apr 8 08:52:23 2014. You raised a problem, I offered a solution. Why don't you go back and reread your post, then mine, and see if you can figure out the nuance and context? |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue Apr 8 12:10:26 2014, in response to Re: Amtrak’s insane train boarding rules, explained, posted by fdtutf on Tue Apr 8 10:11:25 2014. Given the War On Photography, I was assuming the proper spelling was "tourist." |
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Posted by fdtutf on Tue Apr 8 13:23:41 2014, in response to Re: Amtrak’s insane train boarding rules, explained, posted by Nilet on Tue Apr 8 12:10:26 2014. +1 |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Apr 8 13:43:09 2014, in response to Re: Amtrak’s insane train boarding rules, explained, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Apr 8 10:20:29 2014. What do you mean? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Apr 8 13:47:15 2014, in response to Re: Amtrak’s insane train boarding rules, explained, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Apr 8 10:21:20 2014. But how often does an Amtrak train both dump a big load and take on a big load at NYP? I would think it's some subset of through WAS/BOS trains. |
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