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Re: R110A/R188 |
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Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Sat Dec 7 03:59:03 2013, in response to R110A/R188, posted by Stef on Sat Dec 7 03:09:41 2013. Very interesting indeed! Thanks for sharing. The use of the R33ML cars on these moves seems to be the norm nowadays; they moved the R36WF pair to 207 in September and recently, the now scrapped R27/30 school cars.Makes me wonder what's next for the R110B cars. |
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Posted by 7 Local on Sat Dec 7 10:29:56 2013, in response to R110A/R188, posted by Stef on Sat Dec 7 03:09:41 2013. Too bad they couldn't save one car from the R110A set for the museum. |
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Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Sat Dec 7 17:39:38 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188, posted by 7 Local on Sat Dec 7 10:29:56 2013. Too bad they couldn't save one car from the R110A set for the museum.I read somewhere that there was a plan to hold over an A-unit and a B-unit, or two R110A cars, for preservation, along with one R110B A-unit car. Plans probably changed. Good news, though, these cars are getting new use. |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Sun Dec 8 18:23:45 2013, in response to R110A/R188, posted by Stef on Sat Dec 7 03:09:41 2013. I got the nota about the R110As confirmed this morning from a transit worker on the holiday trains. |
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Posted by Stef on Mon Dec 9 01:13:17 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188, posted by Union Tpke on Sun Dec 8 18:23:45 2013. There might be other things happening as well.R188 Car 7843 has arrived on the property at 239th St Yard as per my sources; so I will be looking for a complete set of Cars 7838-43 in a few days. One which I am not so clear on right now involves the R110B. Have been told one car (3007) has been moved to the track (65) that goes out onto 215th St. Chances are, it's leaving the property. I have no other details at this time. -Stef |
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Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Mon Dec 9 02:22:56 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188, posted by Stef on Mon Dec 9 01:13:17 2013. I'd rule out a scrap move; the cars, if I have this right, were purchased with federal money. So they can't be scrapped, at least not right now. I'm curious also as to this development. |
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Posted by Stef on Mon Dec 9 02:30:23 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188, posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Mon Dec 9 02:22:56 2013. I may have a theory but as I have no details, I'll refrain from making statements as it may not hold water.-Stef |
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Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Mon Dec 9 03:12:14 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188, posted by Stef on Mon Dec 9 02:30:23 2013. Got you, Stef. |
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Posted by MTA T on Mon Dec 9 03:48:12 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188, posted by Stef on Mon Dec 9 01:13:17 2013. I knew they were gonna do something with those R110Bs... too bad they used 3007-3009 for parts though, so those were goners anyway. |
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Mon Dec 9 14:34:01 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188, posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Mon Dec 9 02:22:56 2013. Why would a subway car purchased with federal money for an experimental purpose, knowing in advance that its life would be limited, prevent the car from being scrapped after its usefulness has finished?--Mark |
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Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Mon Dec 9 14:41:20 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188, posted by MTA T on Mon Dec 9 03:48:12 2013. I drove by 207th Street Yard on the Major Deegan this morning and, whatever car or cars that were supposed to be there, aren't there anymore.But after seeing pictures someone posted Right Here, I realized cars 3001-3003 weren't where they would normally be parked, on the track beside 3007-3009 and R12 5782. So as to where 3001-3003 went off to, who knows? But they're not there. |
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Posted by Randyo on Mon Dec 9 14:49:37 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Mon Dec 9 14:34:01 2013. Because it is the feds and feds don't often think logically. |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Mon Dec 9 17:11:45 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188, posted by Randyo on Mon Dec 9 14:49:37 2013. Because it is the feds and feds don't often think logically.By golly, you nailed it ! Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Mon Dec 9 17:14:03 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188, posted by Stef on Mon Dec 9 01:13:17 2013. One which I am not so clear on right now involves the R110B. Have been told one car (3007) has been moved to the track (65) that goes out onto 215th St. Chances are, it's leaving the property. I have no other details at this time.Probably sold to be made into a roadside diner. Heh :) Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Mon Dec 9 18:58:52 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188, posted by Newkirk Images on Mon Dec 9 17:14:03 2013. But, is it to, a fed property? |
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Posted by Stef on Tue Dec 10 03:55:10 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188, posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Mon Dec 9 03:12:14 2013. One thing I can say:Apparently as of the present time, 3001-03 are in the shop being prepped for the trip to Floyd Bennett Field. -Stef |
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Posted by MTA T on Tue Dec 10 04:32:13 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188, posted by Stef on Tue Dec 10 03:55:10 2013. Oh wow... they must be replacing those GE R32s and those R33s... |
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Posted by MTA T on Tue Dec 10 04:33:40 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188, posted by MTA T on Tue Dec 10 04:32:13 2013. So that's why 9156-9157 were shipped out of Floyd Bennett lol. |
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Posted by Jace on Tue Dec 10 10:27:12 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Mon Dec 9 14:34:01 2013. A car has a design life in the contract, typically 40 years for the TA. If the feds pay for the car, which in the case of the R110s they did not, then they expect the car to be built that design life. They won't force someone to keep it around for that long, instead they usually want at least 25 years out of the car as a way of justifying their investment. Hardly illogical. |
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Posted by Jace on Tue Dec 10 10:30:51 2013, in response to R110A/R188, posted by Stef on Sat Dec 7 03:09:41 2013. The R110A's are going to 207th for conversion to a second pump train (B cars at least, no set plans for any of the A cars). The R188s are going to start burn in testing en masse since the first train successfully completed the 30 day teat this past weekend. |
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Posted by Stef on Tue Dec 10 11:46:20 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188, posted by Jace on Tue Dec 10 10:30:51 2013. Thanks Jace!Regards, Stef |
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Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Tue Dec 10 14:21:54 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188, posted by Stef on Tue Dec 10 03:55:10 2013. Interesting news! I had an inkling this was the case; it was reported here several weeks ago that one of the Redbirds at Floyd Bennett Field was spotted on a flatbed truck around the vicinity of Flatbush Avenue. Is it safe to assume the R32 there will also be gone? |
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Posted by Stef on Tue Dec 10 14:27:31 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188, posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Tue Dec 10 14:21:54 2013. Haven't heard anything about 3594 and 3595 at this point, perhaps I could inquire.I wonder if I should jump on the Bx46 bus.... -Stef |
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Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Tue Dec 10 14:36:33 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188, posted by Stef on Tue Dec 10 14:27:31 2013. I almost forgot about that Redbird pair at Oak Point. Saw 8912-13 still sitting on the elevated structure some couple of weeks ago. |
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Posted by CJ on Tue Dec 10 14:46:44 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188, posted by Stef on Tue Dec 10 14:27:31 2013. If you have the time, that would be cool. I wonder if parts from the GE rebuild pair can be salvaged before it's junked? |
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Tue Dec 10 14:52:06 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188, posted by Jace on Tue Dec 10 10:27:12 2013. So a car paid for with federal funds with an expected design life of 10 years (I'm being generous here) is expected to hang around for another 15? Makes no sense.What was the expected design life of the R-110A/R-110B in the contract, if anybody knows? --Mark |
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Posted by Stef on Tue Dec 10 15:19:26 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188, posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Tue Dec 10 14:36:33 2013. The only way to know if 3594-95 are still down there would be if someone could take a trip to FBF. After speaking to someone, the person still isn't aware of that pair being replaced.They are stainless steel, they will probably be able to endure the elements far better than any redbird. -Stef |
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Posted by Stef on Tue Dec 10 15:24:01 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188, posted by CJ on Tue Dec 10 14:46:44 2013. It's a thought, and I've never been on the Bx46. So who knows?As far as 8912-13 are concerned, unless some shop personnel go to Tiffany to retrieve parts, the cars as a whole would go right to the scrapper. We are assuming of course that they have been removed or will be taken down from the structure... -Stef |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Tue Dec 10 16:10:20 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188, posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Tue Dec 10 14:36:33 2013. refresh my memory,which EL was that piece taken from? |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Tue Dec 10 18:42:06 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188, posted by Stef on Tue Dec 10 14:27:31 2013. Don't you mean b46? And then you'd need to transfer for for the q35. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Tue Dec 10 18:47:41 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188, posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Sat Dec 7 17:39:38 2013. It would be nice to have a pair, but i would be happy if they kept one. Perhaps the b car so it could be 'towed' by another group of cars? I too hope they also preserve an r110b car as well. |
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Posted by Stef on Tue Dec 10 19:02:43 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188, posted by Grand concourse on Tue Dec 10 18:42:06 2013. Bx46 in the Bronx.-Stef 
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Posted by Stef on Tue Dec 10 19:03:31 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188, posted by tunnelrat on Tue Dec 10 16:10:20 2013. J Line.-Stef |
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Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Tue Dec 10 20:16:25 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188, posted by tunnelrat on Tue Dec 10 16:10:20 2013. Part of the Jamaica El |
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Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Tue Dec 10 20:31:32 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188, posted by Grand concourse on Tue Dec 10 18:47:41 2013. Based on an earlier post on the thread, only the B-units so far are being converted to pump cars, leaving cars 8006 and 8010 out. If, and only if one of these is saved, chances are it could be one or the other. We'll see what happens I guess. |
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Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Tue Dec 10 20:45:45 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188, posted by Stef on Tue Dec 10 15:24:01 2013. I live close to that vicinity and never rode the Bx46. Only seen these buses pass by once or twice an hour and the buses don't carry many people. Driving along the route, i can say it's probably not a very long ride.As for 8912-13 leaving, it does make sense, seeing that the old equipment's being replaced by these newer equipment that have held up better throughout time. |
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Posted by Stef on Tue Dec 10 21:09:09 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188, posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Tue Dec 10 20:45:45 2013. I'm pretty familiar with the area. I used to drive to dad's work place in Hunts Point when I still had a personal vehicle. Have never been on the Bx46, there's a first time I suppose.Well, if I don't get over there and you happen to drive by in your spare time, I'd appreciate knowing if there's anything out of the ordinary at the site. -Stef |
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Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Tue Dec 10 22:03:49 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188, posted by Stef on Tue Dec 10 21:09:09 2013. I sometimes drive down that way to the 7-Eleven for lunch before work. I did see the cars there last I was there. I remember both my parents worked in the area in the produce business back in the '80s.My job schedule will most likely be taking me around that area tomorrow. I might just take a quick drive to see and report back. |
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Posted by MTA T on Wed Dec 11 09:10:13 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188, posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Tue Dec 10 20:31:32 2013. Does the same apply to 8001-8005? |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Wed Dec 11 11:48:29 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188, posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Tue Dec 10 22:03:49 2013. Remember to bring along a camera, for those of us out of range of the site.Please. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Wed Dec 11 12:04:16 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188, posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Tue Dec 10 20:16:25 2013. I wish that what had been taken down was used to install the center track from the eastern portals to Cypress Hills station. |
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Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Wed Dec 11 14:50:21 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188, posted by MTA T on Wed Dec 11 09:10:13 2013. From what I read and some photos that have been posted online, 8001-8005 will be converted. So all 5 cars. The pictures I've seen from last Februart show 8004 and 8005 practically gutted. |
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Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Wed Dec 11 14:51:29 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188, posted by Avid Reader on Wed Dec 11 11:48:29 2013. Picture tonight. |
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Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Wed Dec 11 14:53:45 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188, posted by Stef on Tue Dec 10 21:09:09 2013. Just drove by the area awhile ago. 8912-13 are still up there on the structure. Nothing out of the ordinary that signified removal. The cars themslves look prety good exterior-wise. |
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Posted by Stef on Wed Dec 11 17:08:21 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188, posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Wed Dec 11 14:50:21 2013. 8001 and 05 have been set aside for now. They should be sitting outside.The Scope of the Work at the present involves the B cars 8002, 03, 04. 8007, 08, and 09 will get the same work. -Stef |
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Posted by Stef on Wed Dec 11 17:09:04 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188, posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Wed Dec 11 14:53:45 2013. Thanks, MF!-Stef |
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Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Wed Dec 11 21:27:05 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188, posted by Stef on Wed Dec 11 17:08:21 2013. So only the B-cars of each set are being converted? Got ya.Now I wonder what will 8005's purpose will be then as well as the other A-cars, seeing that 8005 was gutted out last February for that conversion, as seen here: Photos by Daniel Negron   
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Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Wed Dec 11 21:28:27 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188, posted by Stef on Wed Dec 11 17:09:04 2013. No problem! Photo soon. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Dec 11 21:34:25 2013, in response to Re: R110A/R188, posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Wed Dec 11 21:27:05 2013. its a shame to see those cars like that. |
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