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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Dec 4 22:32:11 2013 Just saw this over at the Times. Apparently there was no alerter in the cab car of the ill-fated train, but was in the locomotive on the "north" end.Train Had a Warning System, Just Not in the Operator's Cab Excerpt: The Metro-North Railroad train that derailed on Sunday included a system designed to warn an operator of a potential accident. But such an "alerter," which can automatically apply the brakes if an operator is unresponsive, was not in the cab where William Rockefeller apparently fell into an early-morning daze at the controls. It was at the other end of the train ... |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Wed Dec 4 23:08:45 2013, in response to Cab car did not have an alerter, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Dec 4 22:32:11 2013. It was equipped with an older style deadman's pedal. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Dec 4 23:20:52 2013, in response to Cab car did not have an alerter, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Dec 4 22:32:11 2013. soun ds like it is time to upgrade all those cab cars pronto. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Dec 4 23:23:10 2013, in response to Re: Cab car did not have an alerter, posted by Jersey Mike on Wed Dec 4 23:08:45 2013. Yep ... saw that. Figured I'd pass this one along since I didn't see any mention of it prior. That'd possibly be a faster option for a temporary solution though for now I suspect. I was kinda surprised that they didn't have them in the cab cars already. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Dec 4 23:24:44 2013, in response to Re: Cab car did not have an alerter, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Dec 4 23:20:52 2013. I'm wondering if that would be a viable solution. Seems something that could be done a lot faster than rewiring the outside. |
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Posted by Bill West on Thu Dec 5 00:10:08 2013, in response to Re: Cab car did not have an alerter, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Dec 4 23:24:44 2013. I remember alerters being new in the early '60s, by 1969 Great Northern had had a two fatality collision at Marysville WA where the alerter failed to save the day (people trouble with it).Bill |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Dec 5 00:20:50 2013, in response to Re: Cab car did not have an alerter, posted by Bill West on Thu Dec 5 00:10:08 2013. Yep ... I've been in cabs where the engineer was too busy trying to get his radio working to play bounce the handles and that damned thing gets REALLY annoying. But I thought I'd offer it here since they're pretty cheap compared to ATS if you're going to nod off. They *do* get your attention. |
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Posted by Bill West on Thu Dec 5 01:08:24 2013, in response to Re: Cab car did not have an alerter, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Dec 5 00:20:50 2013. In that GN case it was cutout and nod off was exactly what the crew did.Bill |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Dec 5 01:27:19 2013, in response to Re: Cab car did not have an alerter, posted by Bill West on Thu Dec 5 01:08:24 2013. I'm sure somebody went to hell for that. Anyone who tried that on Gonerail was gone for tampering. |
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Posted by Bill West on Thu Dec 5 03:15:29 2013, in response to Re: Cab car did not have an alerter, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Dec 5 01:27:19 2013. It was a local jury that decided the engineer had cut out the alertor. He was at retirement age. A site called GNarchive.com has the accident report.Bill |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Dec 5 03:32:01 2013, in response to Re: Cab car did not have an alerter, posted by Bill West on Thu Dec 5 03:15:29 2013. That's pretty much what I meant by "hell" ... I remember reading about that one a while back. :( |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Thu Dec 5 07:25:31 2013, in response to Re: Cab car did not have an alerter, posted by Bill West on Thu Dec 5 00:10:08 2013. How big a project would it be to set up a permanent cab signal "drop" in the area, as I think it is called, so that engineers entering that curve never get a signal indication more permissive than "medium", thereby enforcing the 30 mph limit? I don't know for sure, but I suspect that could be implemented pretty cheaply and pretty quickly. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Dec 5 08:49:27 2013, in response to Re: Cab car did not have an alerter, posted by Dyre Dan on Thu Dec 5 07:25:31 2013. Very easy to do. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Thu Dec 5 10:44:42 2013, in response to Re: Cab car did not have an alerter, posted by Joe V on Thu Dec 5 08:49:27 2013. That's what I figured, it sounds like something they really should do. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Dec 5 10:49:51 2013, in response to Re: Cab car did not have an alerter, posted by Dyre Dan on Thu Dec 5 07:25:31 2013. Kinda like timers on the subway. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Dec 5 10:56:04 2013, in response to Re: Cab car did not have an alerter, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Dec 5 10:49:51 2013. It is exactly what Amtrak did for the Elizabeth curve, which had a near catastrophe about 15- - 18 years ago. |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Thu Dec 5 23:18:26 2013, in response to Re: Cab car did not have an alerter, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Dec 4 23:24:44 2013. They should do both until 2015 rolls around. |
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Posted by ElectricTraction on Thu Dec 5 23:18:51 2013, in response to Cab car did not have an alerter, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Dec 4 22:32:11 2013. I read that article, and it was excellent. They actually got the technical stuff pretty much right, which is a rarity in the media today. |
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