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Re: MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars |
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Posted by WillD on Wed Oct 2 21:07:22 2013, in response to MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Oct 2 21:04:29 2013. Yeah, just like how some here were *so* certain the R179s were going to be 75 footers. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Oct 2 21:13:56 2013, in response to MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Oct 2 21:04:29 2013. Yup, I heard this from the project manager a few days ago |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Wed Oct 2 21:26:09 2013, in response to MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Oct 2 21:04:29 2013. Why? |
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Posted by NorthShore on Wed Oct 2 21:28:37 2013, in response to MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Oct 2 21:04:29 2013. What a bad idea. |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Wed Oct 2 21:36:44 2013, in response to Re: MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by N6 Limited on Wed Oct 2 21:26:09 2013. cost-cutting savings. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Oct 2 21:50:36 2013, in response to Re: MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by Train Dude on Wed Oct 2 21:13:56 2013. Let me recall something that was brought up on the 1970s...10 x 60' cars = 40 doors open at the platform 8 x 75' cars = 32 doors open at the platform resulting in longer dwell times at the station. I know 75' cars mean fewer units to order, but still...plus, is it true that 75-footers cannot run on certain lines at all? |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Wed Oct 2 22:05:56 2013, in response to MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Oct 2 21:04:29 2013. Wonder if it will be longitudinal or transverse seating?Also 8-door or 10-door. wayne |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Wed Oct 2 22:07:13 2013, in response to Re: MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Wed Oct 2 22:05:56 2013. They are still drawing out the R-211 design. |
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Posted by RailBus63 on Wed Oct 2 22:32:00 2013, in response to Re: MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Oct 2 21:50:36 2013. A 75-foot car could be designed with five doors per side if needed. |
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Posted by Italianstallion on Wed Oct 2 23:11:09 2013, in response to Re: MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by RailBus63 on Wed Oct 2 22:32:00 2013. Or wider doors. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Oct 2 23:49:22 2013, in response to MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Oct 2 21:04:29 2013. Good |
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Posted by Euclid Avenue A Train on Thu Oct 3 00:11:43 2013, in response to Re: MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Oct 2 21:50:36 2013. 75 Foot cars can not run on BMT Eastern Division Lines (J/Z, L, M) |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Oct 3 00:35:12 2013, in response to Re: MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by Euclid Avenue A Train on Thu Oct 3 00:11:43 2013. Neither can trains comprised of 2x5 60 foot cars. The distinction is meaningless. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Oct 3 00:38:52 2013, in response to Re: MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by N6 Limited on Wed Oct 2 21:26:09 2013. Because replacing 1300 cars with 1625 cars is beyond stupid? |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Thu Oct 3 00:42:34 2013, in response to Re: MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Oct 3 00:35:12 2013. But a train of nine R160s theoretically can run on the East. They just need the right motivation and equipment supply in order to do so. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Oct 3 00:50:03 2013, in response to Re: MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by R36 #9346 on Thu Oct 3 00:42:34 2013. Yup, and they already have plenty of cars for this theoretical usage which will never happen. If the motivation of getting rid of the final R42s wasn't enough, it will not happen during the R211's lifetime.Now it's time to stop wasting money and go back to ordering cars efficiently. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 3 07:36:24 2013, in response to Re: MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Oct 3 00:50:03 2013. Also means that will likely be the SIR car as well, though probably not link-barred.In the meantime, I suspect the last 40 R179's would displace 32 R46's to SI should the R44's get difficult and won't last until the R211. At least they wouldn't have to run the residual R44's non-rush. |
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Posted by merrick1 on Thu Oct 3 07:40:55 2013, in response to Re: MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Oct 3 00:35:12 2013. Can't they remove one of the middle cars and have a 4 car set? |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 3 08:40:33 2013, in response to Re: MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by merrick1 on Thu Oct 3 07:40:55 2013. Well yes, but then what do you do with the middle car ?Make an equal number of 6 car sets and run on the G ? They'd have to blow OPTO. I wonder what it would take to retrofit the "L" line for 9 car trains ? |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu Oct 3 09:03:11 2013, in response to MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Oct 2 21:04:29 2013. Interesting. Wonder if they'll remember to order 4 2-car sets (AA) for the Franklin Shuttle to replace 2916-2924 (the 9th car doesn't need to be replaced and is a testament to MTA's stupidity in ordering an odd number of Hippos in the first place (IMO)). |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Oct 3 09:28:03 2013, in response to Re: MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Wed Oct 2 22:05:56 2013. We still won't see them on the Three Stooges Division. |
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Posted by R211 on Thu Oct 3 10:53:03 2013, in response to MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Oct 2 21:04:29 2013. I'm a loooong time coming. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 3 11:00:22 2013, in response to Re: MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu Oct 3 09:03:11 2013. They were all single cars, so regardless of consist, it doe not matter having an odd number of cars as spares. They were also running 3 car JFK trains at the time, so the idea was not totally off the wall. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu Oct 3 13:07:34 2013, in response to Re: MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 3 11:00:22 2013. True, they were singles at first, but then when they decided to make them into 4-car pairs, there was the odd car out (now of course the Frankie is basically made up of 2 singles (with the full-length cab facing out on each), yet there's still the odd car sitting around. It is what it is.) |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Thu Oct 3 13:41:01 2013, in response to Re: MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Wed Oct 2 22:05:56 2013. Hopefully transverse seating and 10-door. But that's just what I'd like to see. |
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Posted by blue8irt on Thu Oct 3 13:48:16 2013, in response to MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Oct 2 21:04:29 2013. WOW! This is exciting shit. Now, all they have to do is re-design the exterior to make it look like a train instead og a giant toaster. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Oct 3 13:55:39 2013, in response to Re: MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by blue8irt on Thu Oct 3 13:48:16 2013. You're right. This is what a train should *really* look like...
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Posted by blue8irt on Thu Oct 3 13:57:31 2013, in response to Re: MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Oct 3 13:55:39 2013. Exactly! |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 3 14:09:38 2013, in response to Re: MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu Oct 3 13:07:34 2013. They could've rebuilt the FS to be 3 car 75' trains.That would have left 216 left over, assuming 2 trains and a spare, which is an exact multiple of 4.Then they would have had the flexibility to use 4 car sets from ENY if they wanted to with 15' more |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Oct 3 14:22:33 2013, in response to Re: MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu Oct 3 13:07:34 2013. The Franklin Avenue shuttle has a fleet of 9 cars rotated in and out of service. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Oct 3 14:39:30 2013, in response to Re: MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 3 08:40:33 2013. It probably wouldn't take much if anything to retrofit the L for 9 car trains since a 9 car train of 60 footers is only 4 ft longer than an 8 car train of 67 footers and given the door placement, 9 car trains of 60 footers would probably fit in most if not all Eastern Div stations with the exception of Met. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 3 14:45:53 2013, in response to Re: MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by randyo on Thu Oct 3 14:39:30 2013. The Standards had some overhang, and there is the possibility of paraphernalia placed on the platforms, just like the IND can't handle 11 car trains anymore.Looking at the Jamaica Av stations, they never centered 8 cars SMEE's in the stations. About half the 1st car overshoots the stairs while the rear car is about a half-car clear of the rear stairs. |
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Posted by chud1 on Thu Oct 3 16:10:45 2013, in response to Re: MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Oct 3 13:55:39 2013. Excellent!chud1. :).... |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Oct 3 17:10:06 2013, in response to Re: MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Oct 3 00:35:12 2013. Only because of platforming issues. 75' cars physically cannot run on the eastern division because of clearance/sideswiping issues in several locations. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Oct 3 17:10:19 2013, in response to Re: MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Oct 3 00:35:12 2013. Only because of platforming issues. 75' cars physically cannot run on the eastern division because of clearance/sideswiping issues in several locations. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Oct 3 17:14:01 2013, in response to Re: MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Oct 2 21:50:36 2013. I'd wager door holding is a bigger problem than number of doors per train. More doors = more opportunities for holding. |
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Posted by grand concourse on Thu Oct 3 18:16:56 2013, in response to Re: MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 3 14:09:38 2013. Why stop there? Why not go for the full 300' length so that if needed, they could borrow a 5 car R160 set or R68/a from CIY than to rely on the 2car pairs. |
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Posted by grand concourse on Thu Oct 3 18:18:39 2013, in response to MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Oct 2 21:04:29 2013. Good. Makes sense since it's to replace the R46s. Not like they need more 60' car trains in sets of 5. As long as it has 10 doors per car over the 8 on the current 75' cars, then that's better. |
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Posted by grand concourse on Thu Oct 3 18:21:11 2013, in response to Re: MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Oct 3 00:38:52 2013. And unnecessary because they'll replace the R46s which don't see service via eastern division. As long as it has 10 doors over the current 8, then it's an improvement. |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Thu Oct 3 18:27:53 2013, in response to Re: MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by grand concourse on Thu Oct 3 18:18:39 2013. I dont see 10 doors in the NEW 75 footers, more like 8 WIDE doors instead. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Oct 3 18:33:24 2013, in response to Re: MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Oct 3 17:10:19 2013. I know. But regardless of whether they cannot or choose not to, they are not doing it, and wasting more money on extra cars isn't going to inspire them to run every B division train over the eastern division. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 3 18:35:33 2013, in response to Re: MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by grand concourse on Thu Oct 3 18:16:56 2013. Bad for MDBF stats and/or availability ratio. One bad car means 10 out of service. 1 in 5 or 1 in 4 was a happy medium. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Oct 3 18:35:55 2013, in response to Re: MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Thu Oct 3 13:41:01 2013. +1! They could do it too, the seating could be R10 style, just in a car with an extra "set" of 2 + 4 + 2 seats between the doors... |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Oct 3 18:39:41 2013, in response to Re: MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Oct 3 17:14:01 2013. I wonder if they with with slightly recessed single leaf doors (like the newer commuter rail ones), would it be confusing enough to discourage door holding? I can't imagine anyone getting a good grip on them...Barring that, an extremely loud directed alarm at the door area when the door is held would be nice. It would also have the benefit of "encouraging" passengers to help along a slow door or door blocked by a physical object such as a battery. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Oct 3 18:42:30 2013, in response to Re: MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Oct 3 18:27:53 2013. Wide doors just give people more time to grab them as they close. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 3 18:58:40 2013, in response to Re: MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Oct 3 18:39:41 2013. Single doors increase dwell time, one reason why M-7's take longer to do a long local trip than M-1's. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 3 19:05:11 2013, in response to Re: MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Oct 3 18:42:30 2013. If the car has 1 one big center door, door holding would be minimized ?I don't agree with the logic. |
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Posted by grand concourse on Thu Oct 3 19:42:17 2013, in response to Re: MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 3 18:35:33 2013. But at least if you have a full 300' platform, you can always send another set up the line than to be limited to just the 2-car sets they have now. The Rock park S seems to do fine with their set up of 4 car trains. |
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Posted by grand concourse on Thu Oct 3 19:44:30 2013, in response to Re: MTA will still be ordering new 75 foot NYC subway cars, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Oct 3 18:27:53 2013. Wide doors aren't going to do much if people are still crowding by the doors and not moving in the center. May as well just have the 10 doors at the current width. |
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