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Re: 1970s scrap car question

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Sep 15 20:01:33 2013, in response to Re: 1970s scrap car question, posted by Edwards! on Sat Sep 14 17:15:44 2013.

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Re: 1970s scrap car question

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Sep 15 20:03:17 2013, in response to Re: 1970s scrap car question, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Sep 15 10:53:34 2013.

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When the IND first opened, A trains were six cars and AA trains were five cars.

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Re: 1970s scrap car question

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Sep 15 20:04:32 2013, in response to Re: 1970s scrap car question, posted by randyo on Sun Sep 15 00:52:17 2013.

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Those must have been three-car AA trains that I rode on those two Sundays in May of 1967. I got into the habit of counting the cars in each train early on.

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Re: 1970s scrap car question

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Sep 15 20:05:11 2013, in response to Re: 1970s scrap car question, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Sep 15 14:08:43 2013.

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"Gesundheit."

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Re: 1970s scrap car question

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Sep 15 20:33:22 2013, in response to 1970s scrap car question, posted by BLE-NIMX on Sun Sep 8 21:46:54 2013.

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How ironic. When this picture was taken, there were R-9s being repainted into that hideous blue stripe/off white MTA scheme that became immediate graffiti vandal canvass.
Their last years on the Eastern division of the BMT was difficult to see for a kid who grew up seeing them being the workhorses along the Queens Blvd line.

Other than age, what was mechanically different between the R-1 & the R-9s??

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Re: 1970s scrap car question

Posted by randyo on Mon Sep 16 16:33:46 2013, in response to Re: 1970s scrap car question, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Sep 15 20:33:22 2013.

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Very little. The R-1s and R-4s had manual taillights that required the M/M to use a lever on the side of the taillight box to change the lights from white to red or back. ON the R-6s and up, there was a taillight switch on the M/M's auxiliary switch panel on the left side of the cab. There was also a difference in the way that the tripcocks vented on the R-1s and 4s as opposed to later cars. Also, some features that some people are not aware of is that the R-1s and I believe also the 4s had the M/M's indication light under the auxiliary switch panel and the end sign switch read "End Sign and Gauge Light" which controlled the air gauge light as well as the end destination sign. On subsequent orders, the gauge light became the M/M's indication and the original indication lights were removed form the older cars which were rewired to match the newer ones. R-1s and 4s also had an extension on the cab doors which allowed the cab doors to be closed over the M/M's controls and a fold down passenger seat which allowed passengers to sit in unused cabs like the BMT steels once did. This feature was eliminated from R-6s and up and subsequently removed form the R-1s and 4s. When the IND started operating on significant elevated portions, the gauge light was difficult to see and the gauge light boxes were modified to their present appearance which continued even up to the R-68 allowing light to be seen through an opening at the front of the gauge light box.

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Re: 1970s scrap car question

Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Mon Sep 16 16:49:23 2013, in response to Re: 1970s scrap car question, posted by randyo on Mon Sep 16 16:33:46 2013.

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The R-6-2's were a little "different" IIRC.

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Re: 1970s scrap car question

Posted by randyo on Mon Sep 16 17:07:43 2013, in response to Re: 1970s scrap car question, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Mon Sep 16 16:49:23 2013.

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How so?

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Re: 1970s scrap car question

Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Mon Sep 16 17:50:30 2013, in response to Re: 1970s scrap car question, posted by randyo on Mon Sep 16 17:07:43 2013.

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For one they were GE's. Some of the interior details were different as well. And they were FAST.

wayne


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Re: 1970s scrap car question

Posted by randyo on Mon Sep 16 18:19:21 2013, in response to Re: 1970s scrap car question, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Mon Sep 16 17:50:30 2013.

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I wouldn't consider that a real major difference since some R-7As and R-9s were also GEs. After the R-6s electrical equipment was split between WH and GE until the R-42s which were all WH.

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Re: 1970s scrap car question

Posted by randyo on Mon Sep 16 18:20:44 2013, in response to Re: 1970s scrap car question, posted by randyo on Mon Sep 16 18:19:21 2013.

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I actually neglected to mention one more feature which was immediately obvious. R-1s and 4s had a single storm door glass whereas R-6s and up had a 2 piece split storm door glass.

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