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Sat/Sun schedules; MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line

Posted by Gold_12th on Fri Jul 19 17:00:57 2013, in response to MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by seabeachexpress on Thu Jul 18 21:25:26 2013.

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http://www.mta.info/mnr/PublicTimetable_July20212013.pdf

today's schedule
http://www.mta.info/mnr/PublicTimetable_July192013.pdf

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Re: Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line

Posted by chud1 on Fri Jul 19 17:10:08 2013, in response to Re: Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Fri Jul 19 15:39:38 2013.

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why does my beloved Bronx get blamed for every thing.
LOL.
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:)....

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Re: Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line

Posted by Jace on Fri Jul 19 17:14:52 2013, in response to Re: Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Jul 19 11:47:08 2013.

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Of course I am, but so is assuming this was somehow CSX's fault. Lots of conjecture either way...

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Re: Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 19 17:17:34 2013, in response to Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by Gold_12th on Fri Jul 19 02:52:40 2013.

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So you say the line is trashed?

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Re: Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jul 19 17:35:54 2013, in response to Re: Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by chud1 on Fri Jul 19 17:10:08 2013.

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Because *I* ain't taking the fall for this! :)

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Re: Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jul 19 17:38:16 2013, in response to Re: Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Fri Jul 19 10:41:41 2013.

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I would imagine slowing down on a curve headed for the interlocking there could have had some interesting "run-in" if they'd gotten any speed up heading for it. "Train handling" is an issue with CSX with lots of fresh meat on the extra board.

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Re: MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line

Posted by jabrams on Fri Jul 19 17:46:18 2013, in response to Re: MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by Newkirk Images on Fri Jul 19 06:58:08 2013.

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First, I guess the Marble Hill Station to GCT would not work out in the morning rush hour.

Second, couldn't NYCT run express trains in the peak direction from 242 to 103rd or 96th Street and then express to 42nd St. (to slightly reduce commuter time)?

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Re: Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 19 17:58:55 2013, in response to Re: Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 19 17:17:34 2013.

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Re: This would be a good time to send to MNR to NYP

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 19 17:59:56 2013, in response to Re: This would be a good time to send to MNR to NYP, posted by chud1 on Fri Jul 19 16:35:52 2013.

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Sure, apart from the sheer impossibility.

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Re: Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line

Posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Jul 19 18:17:13 2013, in response to Re: Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jul 19 17:38:16 2013.

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not sure, but I believe we may have a BINGO ;-)

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Re: Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line

Posted by clean cab on Fri Jul 19 18:23:59 2013, in response to Re: Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Jul 19 18:17:13 2013.

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MN can't get a break these days!!

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Why not a shuttle train?

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Jul 19 18:39:31 2013, in response to Shuttle bus service: Yonkers RR to VCP-242 St (1) train; (MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment), posted by Gold_12th on Fri Jul 19 02:41:11 2013.

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Obviously they can't borrow too many, but why can't MNRR borrow one or two Amtrak P32s (and possibly crews)? They could run a shuttle from NYP to Yonkers and save a lot of this bustitution nonsense...

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Re: Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jul 19 18:42:10 2013, in response to Re: Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Jul 19 18:17:13 2013.

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Indy before automatic always equals fun. :(

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Re: Why not a shuttle train?

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 19 18:43:53 2013, in response to Why not a shuttle train?, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Jul 19 18:39:31 2013.

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How many P32AC-DMs do you think Amtrak has? which aren't really theirs anyhow.

BTW, that's not the only "P32" Amtrak operates.

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Re: Why not a shuttle train?

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 19 18:58:51 2013, in response to Why not a shuttle train?, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Jul 19 18:39:31 2013.

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Slots. Equipment. Planning. Not gonna happen without all three.

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Re: Why not a shuttle train?

Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Fri Jul 19 19:04:57 2013, in response to Why not a shuttle train?, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Jul 19 18:39:31 2013.

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MN crews would not be qualified on that line. Amtrak does not have spare equipment, I'm sure. NYP has only 21 tracks for 3 railroads. I'm sure all slots are well taken up.

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Re: MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line

Posted by WillD on Fri Jul 19 19:14:53 2013, in response to Re: MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Jul 19 16:27:07 2013.

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They are in the process of rebuilding those locomotives, right? It's not like they'd break the bank installing the control equipment to trigger shoe retraction. And once the rebuild engines (how many are out at a time, 1? 2? 3?) return they'd gain the margin to have a few locomotives which cannot operate into GCT. These units would be completely capable of operating Wassaic, Danbury, and Poughkeepsie shuttle trains.

If you don't want to drive a train there, that's fine, just say so. But don't throw up technical FUD as some reason it cannot be done.

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Re: MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line

Posted by Dan Lawrence on Fri Jul 19 19:15:18 2013, in response to Re: MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jul 18 21:34:54 2013.

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CSX Strikes again!!!! :)

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Re: Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line

Posted by Dan Lawrence on Fri Jul 19 19:22:22 2013, in response to Re: Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by Gold_12th on Fri Jul 19 03:04:47 2013.

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Couple of months? More like several years.

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Re: Overhead pic (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line

Posted by Dan Lawrence on Fri Jul 19 19:28:53 2013, in response to Re: Overhead pic (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by R62CNG on Fri Jul 19 11:18:24 2013.

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Almost standard for CSX!!!!! Their derailments run 900 to 1000 per year.

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Re: MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jul 19 19:35:26 2013, in response to Re: MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by Dan Lawrence on Fri Jul 19 19:15:18 2013.

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It's rookie season. :(

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Re: Overhead pic (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line

Posted by RockParkMan on Fri Jul 19 19:44:23 2013, in response to Re: Overhead pic (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by Dan Lawrence on Fri Jul 19 19:28:53 2013.

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That's ACCIDENTS, Not derailments.

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Re: MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line

Posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Jul 19 19:53:31 2013, in response to Re: MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by WillD on Fri Jul 19 19:14:53 2013.

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WillD stick to things you know about, as for locomotives that is not it....
FRA requires maintenance on any and all equipment installed, putting pneumatic piping and controls on locomotive not only adds to maintenance cost it also adds to unsprung weight on truck. which results in rail and wheel wear. and all for something you may need once in 20 years ??

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Re: MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Jul 19 19:57:51 2013, in response to Re: MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Jul 19 19:53:31 2013.

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The long view is that the entire third rail system of MN/LI needs to either become cross compatible or go away in favor of catenary. This proprietary crap is way past obsolete. Anyone for link and pin couplers?

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Re: MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line

Posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Jul 19 20:27:54 2013, in response to Re: MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Jul 19 19:57:51 2013.

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And for what purpose as there is no cross travel or sharing of equipment ??
Are you and other Commuters willing to pay the $25 billion price tag ?? yup did not think you would...........................

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Re: MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Jul 19 21:05:54 2013, in response to Re: MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Jul 19 20:27:54 2013.

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I would happily carve that out of five sided waste fraud and abuse. As to the advantages of standardization... and why shouldn't there be equipment sharing/run through services? We all know the Central and the Pennsy each believed they were uniquely able to design perfection--that era is over. Preserving multiple third raildesigns is like keeping Beta and VHS. My tuppence

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Re: MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line

Posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Jul 19 21:09:49 2013, in response to Re: MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Jul 19 21:05:54 2013.

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lirr has different cab signal atc too

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Re: MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Jul 19 22:02:53 2013, in response to Re: MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Jul 19 21:09:49 2013.

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Seems to me once a single national PTC standard evolves, that issue will be moot. IINM Amtrak and most Class I freight diesels are cross compatible with whatever cab signal systems they are likely to encounter on the various host RRs. The Class Is figured that out so they wouldn't have to shuffle leader units on run through power, surely MN and LIRR can learn from them.

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Re: Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line

Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sat Jul 20 00:50:33 2013, in response to Re: Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jul 19 02:56:20 2013.

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What do you expect from the world's worst railroad?

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Re: Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 20 00:58:02 2013, in response to Re: Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sat Jul 20 00:50:33 2013.

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Not much. :)

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Re: Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line

Posted by EastSideRider on Sat Jul 20 01:14:46 2013, in response to Re: Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jul 19 03:32:24 2013.

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It all makes sense now! Lol.

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Re: Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 20 01:38:58 2013, in response to Re: Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by EastSideRider on Sat Jul 20 01:14:46 2013.

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CSX sued the crap out of the site back in 2005, so it's been slim pickin's ever since. Employees get watched and if they go anywhere NEAR there, they end up working for CPRail instead. So recent events aren't there since folks are scared to go there. CSX isn't QUITE as bad as it was under John Snow, but it's still good old CSX just the same. God, I miss Conrail. :(

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Re: MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line

Posted by WillD on Sat Jul 20 01:46:00 2013, in response to Re: MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Jul 19 19:53:31 2013.

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In other words I'm not incorrect, it's just unlikely that they'd do that at this stage.

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Re: Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line

Posted by WillD on Sat Jul 20 01:47:10 2013, in response to Re: Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Jul 19 11:47:08 2013.

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Ahh, so they're slightly more accurate than you when you try to expound upon anything outside MN.

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Re: Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line

Posted by EastSideRider on Sat Jul 20 02:01:43 2013, in response to Re: Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 20 01:38:58 2013.

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That doesn't surprise me; its bad PR for the company. Course, there's one (obvious) way to avoid it...

Missing Conrail in comparison to CSX = Missing Ronald Reagan in comparison to today's Right Wing, lol.

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Re: Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 20 02:01:52 2013, in response to Re: Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Jul 19 18:17:13 2013.

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Update ...

Went into town earlier and struck up a conversation with a few of my old Conrail buddies at the local gin mill. Seems that Oak Hill and a few other spots have rookies on the rails. But it gets worse. This is something I was handed and given the okey-dokey to post as long as no names are ever involved. We all knew BLET was going to go to shit under the Teamstas, but that the FRA isn't enforcing either was quite the shock ... :(

The "dumpster diver" may not have been qualified!

ALERT....ALERT....



THIS IS YOUR WAKE UP CALL. PAY ATTENTION AND GET READY TO GROW A PAIR

OR BE THE ABUSED BIT... UNDER THE SUPERVISORS BOOT! 



Operating rule 46 is now being used to intimidate and scare employees

into taking jobs that they know they are not qualified for or  were not

properly trained for. It is also being used to get around the engineers

agreement that the company put their "JOHN HENRY" on and agreed

to(article 61-paragraph B) Engineers must be qualified on ALL WORK

PROTECTED BY AN ASSIGNMENT!



Rule 46 does not say anything about an employee not needing to know the

physical characteristics of a job they have been called to work because

they will be using other than main or signaled tracks and will be

moving at a speed to protect their train or equipment(looking out for

improperly lined switches....etc...etc... etc...



There are supervisors who are abusing this rule and making employees

take jobs that they have no business taking and are threatening

insubordination charges if they don't. What these idiot supervisors

don't seem to understand is there is more to running around on a set

of tracks when it comes to working a job. 



A crew was ordered to take a job or face possible insubordination 

charges that required them working a facility with hazmat dangerous

materials. this crew had never been in this industry and knew 

ABSOLUTLEY NOTHING ABOUT ITS DESIGN, SAFETY ISSUES, TRACK

CHARACTERISTICS, CLOSS CLEARANCES, UNAUTHORIZED AREAS OR SPOTS OR

PLACES. After a lecture of the abused rule 46 rules and further actions

of disciplinary charges the crew did the stupid thing and went. Lucky

for them it ended well because they were able to get pulled from the

job by another supervisor who was born with a brain in his head!  



Your union and the FRA are not going to do a thing about this. This is

not the first time this rule has been abused and it wont be the last.

It is up to YOU to take a stand for your safety and the safety of the

crew member you are working with. You do not have to put your health or

safety on the line for any supervisor. Follow protocol first. Call the

FRA and your LC immediately! If there is nothing done then you must

notify OSHA!   Wake up people! Look around. The changes in the way the

employees are being ruled is getting out of hand. Start calling your

international and remind them they have that cushy overpaid seat

because you voted to put them there and that can very easily be

changed. Just think what they would do if no one paid their dues!

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Re: Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 20 02:06:06 2013, in response to Re: Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by EastSideRider on Sat Jul 20 02:01:43 2013.

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Or in MY case, Barry Goldwater. Ronald Reagan was his own favorite vegetable. :)

Yeah, life isn't happy in CSX land. Hit the local gin mill earlier after posting the link and was asking why nobody does CSX-SUCKS anymore. To my surprise, they still do, just not as obviously. There's forums on there and lo and behold, after being told the story of how short-sheeted the railroad is and talking about Quebec, got told the story of how they're handling their "industrials" (like MNRR) with whatever they can throw at the jobs. :(

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Re: Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 20 03:11:49 2013, in response to Re: Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 20 02:06:06 2013.

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BTW ... folks at Gonerail? They sure as HELL didn't miss PennCentral. Even as Gonerail decayed. Still a better railroad than PennCentral.

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Re: Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line

Posted by chud1 on Sat Jul 20 03:28:46 2013, in response to Re: Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jul 19 17:35:54 2013.

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let joe loitha take da fall for this.
chud1.
:)....

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Re: Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 20 03:41:21 2013, in response to Re: Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by chud1 on Sat Jul 20 03:28:46 2013.

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I wonder what Riverdale smells like right now? Heh.

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Re: Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line

Posted by chud1 on Sat Jul 20 04:10:41 2013, in response to Re: Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 20 03:41:21 2013.

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scorched garbage.
chud1.
:)....

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Re: Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 20 05:15:39 2013, in response to Re: Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by chud1 on Sat Jul 20 04:10:41 2013.

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Nah ... despite wheels on da turd rail, nothing lit up. :)

"Country fresh scent" instead, brah ...

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Re: Why not a shuttle train?

Posted by Joe V on Sat Jul 20 06:45:56 2013, in response to Re: Why not a shuttle train?, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 19 18:43:53 2013.

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< P32AC-DMs do you think Amtrak has? which aren't really theirs anyhow.>

Whose are they ?

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Re: Why not a shuttle train?

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 20 07:17:43 2013, in response to Re: Why not a shuttle train?, posted by Joe V on Sat Jul 20 06:45:56 2013.

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Obviously the Germans. :)

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Re: Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line

Posted by RockParkMan on Sat Jul 20 07:41:50 2013, in response to Re: Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 20 03:11:49 2013.

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but EL prior rights people sure missed THEIR railroad.

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Re: Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line

Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Jul 20 09:06:14 2013, in response to Re: Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by Dyre Dan on Fri Jul 19 15:32:58 2013.

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It is the train table. HO scale track does not expand or contract all that much, the the humidity can cause major expansion or shrinking of the train table. This is what causes the kinks that derail your trains.

In any event, I have it on the highest authority that a MONSTER reached out and pulled that train over.

If you inspect that train you will find that the 'container' carrying Uranium deuturide oxide is missing.

The MONSTER appears to be fabricating an unclean pressure disruptive device.

ROAR

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Re: Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line

Posted by merrick1 on Sat Jul 20 09:10:41 2013, in response to Re: Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 20 02:01:52 2013.

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Can MetroNorth require that CSX crews be properly qualified to operate on MetroNorth's tracks?

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Re: Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line

Posted by AlM on Sat Jul 20 09:19:39 2013, in response to Re: Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 20 03:41:21 2013.

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Actually not Riverdale. On the boundary between Spuyten Duyvil and Marble Hill.

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Re: Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line

Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Jul 20 09:46:21 2013, in response to Re: Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by merrick1 on Sat Jul 20 09:10:41 2013.

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Yes MNCR already does require that.

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Re: Overhead pic (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line

Posted by Dan Lawrence on Sat Jul 20 09:53:04 2013, in response to Re: Overhead pic (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by RockParkMan on Fri Jul 19 19:44:23 2013.

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Sorry, most of CSX wrecks are their fault, not just accidents.

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