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Re: Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Jul 19 11:45:57 2013, in response to Re: Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Fri Jul 19 11:28:01 2013. Again MTA is agency it does not repair tracks.Metro North is railroad it does repair tracks. |
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Re: Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Jul 19 11:45:58 2013, in response to Re: Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Fri Jul 19 11:28:01 2013. Again MTA is agency it does not repair tracks.Metro North is railroad it does repair tracks. |
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Re: Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Jul 19 11:47:08 2013, in response to Re: Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by Jace on Fri Jul 19 11:39:22 2013. you are ASSuming things, let investigation take place.railfans are wrong 99.8% of time. |
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Re: Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line |
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Posted by R62CNG on Fri Jul 19 11:48:30 2013, in response to Re: Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Jul 19 11:45:58 2013. Uh, last time I checked, Metro-North was owned by the MTA. |
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Re: Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Fri Jul 19 11:57:55 2013, in response to Re: Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Jul 19 11:45:57 2013. All right Dutch, as a 30 + year NYCT worker, I know the deal!!!!!!!!!!!!!I full know that MTA (in the context you are refering to them) never get their hands dirty. It's the agencies that do the actual work. I was just answering the question as it was presented. I am well aware who does it.......he may have been asking "who owns the tracks because there was a freight train running on them". |
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Re: MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Jul 19 12:03:28 2013, in response to Re: MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Jul 19 11:44:25 2013. you telling me Amtrak is running at 20 mph ???or you mean reduced speeds. Sorry; reduced speeds. Amtrak's wording was "speed restrictions." |
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Re: Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Fri Jul 19 12:05:38 2013, in response to Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by Gold_12th on Fri Jul 19 02:52:40 2013. What a load of garbage. I almost wish it were drugs. |
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4+ min raw video @ MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Fri Jul 19 12:09:24 2013, in response to Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by Gold_12th on Fri Jul 19 02:52:40 2013. |
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Re: Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Jul 19 12:32:35 2013, in response to Re: Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by R62CNG on Fri Jul 19 11:48:30 2013. No Metro North is financed as part of MTA the taxpayers of NY own the railroad. |
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Re: Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Fri Jul 19 12:38:54 2013, in response to Re: Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jul 19 02:56:20 2013. CSX Q704-18, Oak Point & Harlem River Waste Transfer Facility to Selkirk. |
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Re: MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Fri Jul 19 12:41:57 2013, in response to MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by seabeachexpress on Thu Jul 18 21:25:26 2013. It was northbound CSX Q704-18, Oak Point Yard (Harlem River Waste Transfer Facility) to Selkirk Yard, Albany, two SD40-2s, 8833/56, 8856 leading |
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Re: MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Fri Jul 19 12:43:34 2013, in response to MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by seabeachexpress on Thu Jul 18 21:25:26 2013. The 2 SD40-2s that were leading are impounded at Croton West Yard, spotted there at 0800 this morning, 8833/56 |
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Re: This would be a good time to reopen the Harlem Line between Wassaic and Chatham |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 19 13:18:12 2013, in response to Re: This would be a good time to reopen the Putnam Line, posted by kew gardens teleport on Fri Jul 19 09:08:01 2013. May as well. The Putnam Division connected to the upper Harlem anyhow. |
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Re: Metro-North Hudson line Freight Derailment |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 19 13:19:23 2013, in response to Re: This would be a good time to send to MNR to NYP, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Fri Jul 19 08:50:20 2013. No, that would be utterly impossible. Switching complications and all, never mind the unflippable third-rail shoes of Metro-North's P32AC-DMs; and there are no slots. |
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Re: This would be a good time to reopen the High Line for passenger trains |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 19 13:21:30 2013, in response to Re: This would be a good time to reopen the Harlem Line between Wassaic and Chatham, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 19 13:18:12 2013. Just imagine Shoreliners going all the way down to St. John's Park Terminal. No need for dual-modes then. |
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Re: Helicopter footage this morning; MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Jul 19 13:30:22 2013, in response to Helicopter footage this morning; MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by Gold_12th on Fri Jul 19 11:24:31 2013. Garbage containers, too and baking in the sun & heat. That's not a very healthy environment for the workers either. |
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Re: Helicopter footage this morning; MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line |
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Posted by 600vdc on Fri Jul 19 13:49:26 2013, in response to Helicopter footage this morning; MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by Gold_12th on Fri Jul 19 11:24:31 2013. Would have loved to have seen the arcing from the third rail. Woe! |
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Re: Helicopter footage this morning; MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line |
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Posted by R62CNG on Fri Jul 19 13:51:23 2013, in response to Re: Helicopter footage this morning; MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by Train Dude on Fri Jul 19 13:30:22 2013. It's better then the conditions the 9/11 rescue teams had to put up with throughout Manhattan back in 2001. |
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Re: Helicopter footage this morning; MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Fri Jul 19 13:52:07 2013, in response to Re: Helicopter footage this morning; MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by R62CNG on Fri Jul 19 13:51:23 2013. You really can't compare 9/11 with anything else. |
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Re: MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Jul 19 14:56:35 2013, in response to Re: MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Jul 18 22:41:06 2013. Now it M/N had access to Penn, limited commuter service could be rerouted there. |
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Re: MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Jul 19 15:00:51 2013, in response to Re: MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by randyo on Fri Jul 19 14:56:35 2013. no it could not, no third rail and Genesis shoes on MNCR units do not work on LIRR third rail. besides there is no room. |
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Re: MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line |
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Posted by Italianstallion on Fri Jul 19 15:07:44 2013, in response to Re: MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Jul 19 15:00:51 2013. If MNRR had access to Penn, by definition all these issues would have been resolved. |
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Re: Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line |
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Posted by Italianstallion on Fri Jul 19 15:12:26 2013, in response to Re: Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Fri Jul 19 12:38:54 2013. I KNEW it was Selkirk's fault! |
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Re: Overhead pic (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line |
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Posted by Italianstallion on Fri Jul 19 15:15:37 2013, in response to Overhead pic (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by Gold_12th on Fri Jul 19 11:17:39 2013. The accident was in the open cut south of Spuyten Duyvil. I wonder if some vandals, who are known to hang out on those rocks, had anything to do with it. |
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Re: MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line |
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Posted by Italianstallion on Fri Jul 19 15:17:50 2013, in response to MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by seabeachexpress on Thu Jul 18 21:25:26 2013. Is Amtrak running along the Hudson today? |
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Re: MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Fri Jul 19 15:24:05 2013, in response to Re: MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by Italianstallion on Fri Jul 19 15:17:50 2013. Amtrak would not be affected by it based on the location of the derailment. |
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Re: MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line |
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Posted by Italianstallion on Fri Jul 19 15:29:37 2013, in response to Re: MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Fri Jul 19 15:24:05 2013. I suspected that. Thanks. |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Fri Jul 19 15:30:44 2013, in response to Re: MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by Italianstallion on Fri Jul 19 15:17:50 2013. Yep, and most of the Empire trains are sold out this evening. |
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Re: MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Fri Jul 19 15:31:14 2013, in response to Re: MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by Italianstallion on Fri Jul 19 15:17:50 2013. Amtrak joins MNR territory at CP 12, which is maybe a mile, give or take some feet, north of this location, so Amtrak trains pretty much ruled the Hudson Line between CP 12 and Yonkers. |
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Re: Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Fri Jul 19 15:32:58 2013, in response to Re: Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by Jace on Fri Jul 19 11:39:22 2013. Can you explain the reference about "really a cooling kink"? I can understand how steel expanding, but having nowhere to move into, can cause a rail to bend. But if it survives the maximum temperature, I would think that when it cools, it could shrink back to its normal position unimpeded. What am I missing? |
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Re: Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Fri Jul 19 15:34:43 2013, in response to Re: Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Fri Jul 19 11:28:01 2013. MNR has a fully functional, well equipped track department who does the ROW maintenance, good buddy. Much like other railroads, private contractors can be called in, or contracted in, when/as needed.I know what he meant, and I know what/how you meant as well.....no worries!! :-) |
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Re: MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Fri Jul 19 15:37:36 2013, in response to Re: MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by randyo on Fri Jul 19 14:56:35 2013. The third rail shoes on the Gennies cannot run on the LIRR third rail, and also Amtrak would require an engine be on the leading end at all times. Southbound, MNR uses Cab Cars with engines on the north end shoving, which Amtrak would not allow. |
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Re: MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Fri Jul 19 15:38:54 2013, in response to Re: MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by Italianstallion on Fri Jul 19 15:07:44 2013. Well, if the "geniuses", aka powers that been of times past, had their heads on straight, MNR trains would've been running into and out of Penn decades ago, especially on the NH Line. |
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Re: MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Jul 19 15:39:14 2013, in response to Re: MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by Italianstallion on Fri Jul 19 15:07:44 2013. They won't be resolved in my lifetime even if they could get access. |
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Re: Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Fri Jul 19 15:39:38 2013, in response to Re: Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by Italianstallion on Fri Jul 19 15:12:26 2013. LOL!!! Well, since the train originated at Oak Point, gotta blame the Bronx guys!! :-D |
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Re: MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Jul 19 15:40:06 2013, in response to Re: MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by Italianstallion on Fri Jul 19 15:17:50 2013. yup, derailment happened south of cp12 where Amtrak splits |
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Re: MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Fri Jul 19 15:41:22 2013, in response to Re: MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Jul 19 15:39:14 2013. Well, old timer, I have a chance to see it happen......21 years 6 days, 18 hours left to go, so maybe, juuuuuuuuuuust maybe I shall see (and run) them, both Hudson and NH!! :-)Time shall tell...... |
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Re: Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Jul 19 15:41:29 2013, in response to Re: Photos (A HUGE MESS); MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by Dyre Dan on Fri Jul 19 15:32:58 2013. no evidence of any kink at derailment site. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Jul 19 15:43:51 2013, in response to Re: MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Fri Jul 19 15:41:22 2013. not until Gateway is finished in 2056 or so ;-) |
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Re: MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Fri Jul 19 15:49:55 2013, in response to Re: MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Jul 19 15:43:51 2013. What's the matter Dutch, no faith in the powers that be that this all will come to fruition within the next 21 years, 6 days, 17 hours, 50 minutes???? |
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Re: Shuttle bus service: Yonkers RR to VCP-242 St (1) train; (MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment) |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Fri Jul 19 15:56:40 2013, in response to Shuttle bus service: Yonkers RR to VCP-242 St (1) train; (MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment), posted by Gold_12th on Fri Jul 19 02:41:11 2013. Hudson Line tickets will be honored on the Harlem LineWe have always honored Harlem Line tickets and passes on the Hudson Line as they are both identical in fare zones at all times, emergency situation or not. The only exception Harlem Line goes up to Zone 10 (Wassaic) where as the Hudson ends at Zone 9 (Poughkeepsie). Anyone with any Harlem ticket/pass can ride on the Hudson Line to its equivalent at no extra charge. With the exception of a Zone 1 GCT to Zone 9 Harlem or Zone 10 Harlem ticket, which would cover rides without charge at all times on the full length Hudson Line, the other zones, 2 - 8, would always require necessary ride extension charges to go beyond their paid for zones of travel. |
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Re: MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line |
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Posted by R62CNG on Fri Jul 19 15:56:52 2013, in response to Re: MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Fri Jul 19 15:49:55 2013. and 8 seconds. |
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Re: Shuttle bus service: Yonkers RR to VCP-242 St (1) train; (MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment) |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Fri Jul 19 15:58:27 2013, in response to Shuttle bus service: Yonkers RR to VCP-242 St (1) train; (MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment), posted by Gold_12th on Fri Jul 19 02:41:11 2013. From what I observed earlier today in the trips I did between Poughkeepsie and Yonkers (I got deadheaded up to cover a Poughkeepsie-based Conductor job), most people simply turned around and went home and enjoyed a nice summertime 3-day weekend. A few people I know who live up north diverted to the Harlem Line for rides down to GCT. |
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Re: MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Fri Jul 19 15:59:21 2013, in response to Re: MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by R62CNG on Fri Jul 19 15:56:52 2013. Now 21 years, 6 days, 17 hours, 40 minutes.......(seconds, sorry I ain't that good!!! lol :-D) |
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Re: MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line |
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Posted by WillD on Fri Jul 19 16:00:23 2013, in response to Re: MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Jul 19 15:00:51 2013. It's not like it'd be that difficult to install the retractable third rail shoes from Amtrak's P32AC-DMs onto a few MNRR locomotives to create a pool of locomotives dedicated to Penn Station service. |
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Re: Helicopter footage this morning; MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Fri Jul 19 16:10:09 2013, in response to Re: Helicopter footage this morning; MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by R62CNG on Fri Jul 19 13:51:23 2013. what a idiot. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Jul 19 16:27:07 2013, in response to Re: MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by WillD on Fri Jul 19 16:00:23 2013. The Third rail shoe Amtrak uses also require a lot of control wiring and airlines, MNCR Genesis do not have this, so yes it is difficult.as for a NYP pool forget it we can barely keep up with what we need day to day. |
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Re: MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Fri Jul 19 16:28:46 2013, in response to MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by seabeachexpress on Thu Jul 18 21:25:26 2013. Now MTA is saying not to expect normal service till Monday mornings' rush. (with delays).Can't say I'm surprised. |
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Re: This would be a good time to send to MNR to NYP |
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Posted by chud1 on Fri Jul 19 16:35:52 2013, in response to Re: This would be a good time to send to MNR to NYP, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Fri Jul 19 08:50:20 2013. excellent.chud1. :).... |
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Re: Helicopter footage this morning; MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Jul 19 16:53:34 2013, in response to Re: Helicopter footage this morning; MNRR Hudson line Freight Derailment shuts line, posted by R62CNG on Fri Jul 19 13:51:23 2013. Not a very good comparison though. |
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