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Commuters on the Level

Posted by Avid Reader on Wed May 22 21:29:10 2013

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Who are the big players?
Who came along first, and piggybacked for the ride?
Somehow these look like stable mates.



From the Boston area.>


The Virginia Railway Express.


METRA


New Jersey Transit.





Did MARC and Montreal piggy back on NJT?


Santa Clara


Caltrain looks the same, who piggy backed who?

Another Caltrain



Illinois Central

Blackpool UK

Not all , by any means.
Now what's your choice? Up, or Down.

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Re: Commuters on the Level

Posted by Nilet on Wed May 22 21:33:37 2013, in response to Commuters on the Level, posted by Avid Reader on Wed May 22 21:29:10 2013.

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Are those AMT cars in Newark Penn?

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Re: Commuters on the Level

Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Wed May 22 21:37:31 2013, in response to Re: Commuters on the Level, posted by Nilet on Wed May 22 21:33:37 2013.

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I don't know, but the NJT Multilevel shot was taken in Stamford, Connecticut!

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Re: Commuters on the Level

Posted by Avid Reader on Wed May 22 21:39:49 2013, in response to Commuters on the Level, posted by Avid Reader on Wed May 22 21:29:10 2013.

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I exercise my Rights under the FIFTH Amendment.


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Re: Commuters on the Level

Posted by Avid Reader on Wed May 22 21:40:55 2013, in response to Re: Commuters on the Level, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Wed May 22 21:37:31 2013.

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Feetball Special, Maybe.

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Re: Commuters on the Level

Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Wed May 22 21:41:32 2013, in response to Re: Commuters on the Level, posted by Avid Reader on Wed May 22 21:40:55 2013.

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Yes indeed...

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Re: Commuters on the Level

Posted by WillD on Wed May 22 21:52:39 2013, in response to Commuters on the Level, posted by Avid Reader on Wed May 22 21:29:10 2013.

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Why do they have to piggyback off each other? The MBTA's Kawasakis were certainly built before VRE's, but it should be apparent that VRE's definitely were not a piggyback. Similarly all the Bombardier Bilevel and Multilevels are, for the most part, independent orders, not piggyback orders. I don't think Caltrain still uses the old Pullman-Standard Gallery cab cars, but a few P-S coaches may remain in service.

Do you have permission from the people who took and posted those photos to reproduce them on your Photobucket account because you apparently can't figure out how to hotlink directly from the original host?

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Re: Commuters on the Level

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed May 22 22:36:03 2013, in response to Commuters on the Level, posted by Avid Reader on Wed May 22 21:29:10 2013.

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Now if the MBTA wasn't so dumb as to build high platforms at North and South Stations, they could've been the one system in the Northeast to use gallery cars.

BTW, those VRE Kawasaki bilevels (now in MARC's hands IIRC) have automatic trapdoors.

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Re: Commuters on the Level

Posted by Nilet on Wed May 22 23:28:49 2013, in response to Re: Commuters on the Level, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Wed May 22 21:41:32 2013.

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Feetball special brought AMT cars to New Jersey?

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Re: Commuters on the Level

Posted by chud1 on Thu May 23 03:44:00 2013, in response to Commuters on the Level, posted by Avid Reader on Wed May 22 21:29:10 2013.

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5 drooling stars out of 5 droolong stars.
chud1

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Re: Commuters on the Level

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu May 23 04:54:23 2013, in response to Commuters on the Level, posted by Avid Reader on Wed May 22 21:29:10 2013.

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BTW, these are the real MARC bilevels.



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Re: Commuters on the Level

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu May 23 05:10:41 2013, in response to Commuters on the Level, posted by Avid Reader on Wed May 22 21:29:10 2013.

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Caltrain looks the same, who piggy backed who?

Nobody. Southern Pacific was running gallery cars since the 60s. Caltrain merely continued the tradition and added cab cars.



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Re: Commuters on the Level

Posted by Fred G on Thu May 23 07:21:15 2013, in response to Re: Commuters on the Level, posted by Olog-hai on Thu May 23 05:10:41 2013.

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Europe had double decker rail coaches in the early 1950's.
Bombay had double decker trams in the early 1900's.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: Commuters on the Level

Posted by Newkirk Images on Thu May 23 08:01:37 2013, in response to Re: Commuters on the Level, posted by Avid Reader on Wed May 22 21:39:49 2013.

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I exercise my Rights under the FIFTH Amendment.

Did you mean the FILTH amendment ?

Bill Newkirk




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Re: Commuters on the Level

Posted by Avid Reader on Thu May 23 08:49:36 2013, in response to Re: Commuters on the Level, posted by Newkirk Images on Thu May 23 08:01:37 2013.

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That one too!

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Re: Commuters on the Level

Posted by Joe V on Thu May 23 10:12:37 2013, in response to Re: Commuters on the Level, posted by WillD on Wed May 22 21:52:39 2013.

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I think the multi-levels for NJT-AMT-MARC are and will be a the same run-on order.

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Re: Commuters on the Level

Posted by R36 #9346 on Thu May 23 10:18:39 2013, in response to Re: Commuters on the Level, posted by Nilet on Wed May 22 21:33:37 2013.

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Looks like it to me.



Why else would they blur out the scenery surrounding the train while the train's door lights are on?

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Re: Commuters on the Level

Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Thu May 23 12:50:43 2013, in response to Re: Commuters on the Level, posted by Nilet on Wed May 22 23:28:49 2013.

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I don't know, the backround of the AMT shot is too blurry to determine if it is Newark Penn Station. Maybe there is a station up in Montreal that looks similar...

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Re: Commuters on the Level

Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Thu May 23 12:52:14 2013, in response to Re: Commuters on the Level, posted by R36 #9346 on Thu May 23 10:18:39 2013.

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Newark Penn Station was never that clean! :-)

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Re: Commuters on the Level

Posted by Nilet on Thu May 23 14:09:48 2013, in response to Re: Commuters on the Level, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Thu May 23 12:50:43 2013.

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I'm pretty sure I can make out catenary. The only electric line in Montreal (all of Canada, actually) has dedicated tracks at Gare Central which are completely underground and wouldn't be sharing the rest of its route with multilevels.

Plus, the curve at the end is from Newark and I think I see a bit of a display board. The AMT multilevels are on track A (IIRC), while the track closer to the camera is track 1 (for New York-bound trains).

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Re: Commuters on the Level

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu May 23 14:22:03 2013, in response to Re: Commuters on the Level, posted by Nilet on Thu May 23 14:09:48 2013.

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The MLVs were meant to run out of Gare Centrale with the ALP-45DPs. AMT bought both for the Train de l'Est (Repentigny-Mascouche) route.

Only reason that Gare Centrale now has unelectrified tracks is for dome car access.

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Re: Commuters on the Level

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu May 23 14:28:38 2013, in response to Re: Commuters on the Level, posted by Fred G on Thu May 23 07:21:15 2013.

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Speaking of double-deck trams, they were very commonplace in London and Dublin as well. London even had a subway-surface operation for their double-deckers, in the Kingsway system; these ran on conduit power.



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