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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Jan 13 00:35:27 2013, in response to TWU advises T/Os to enter stations slowly, posted by gbs on Sun Jan 13 00:12:00 2013. DAMN..service will now OFFICIALLY SUCK now... time to change the name of the system to NYCLT [new york city LEISURE TRANSIT] GOING YOUR WAY..EVENTUALLY. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jan 13 00:42:45 2013, in response to Re: TWU advises T/Os to enter stations slowly, posted by Edwards! on Sun Jan 13 00:35:27 2013. Makes sense though ... RTO is on another of their disciple rampages again. Was just reading about it on the TWU site. :( |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Jan 13 05:48:59 2013, in response to Re: TWU advises T/Os to enter stations slowly, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jan 13 00:42:45 2013. There is a problem, however between RESPONSIBLE unionism and FRIVOLOUS unionism and the courts may very well rule against the union on this one especially if the unions representing LIRR, M/N, PATH and other transit systems' workers don't go along with it! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jan 13 06:21:12 2013, in response to Re: TWU advises T/Os to enter stations slowly, posted by randyo on Sun Jan 13 05:48:59 2013. Might want to check out the TWU site ... there might be some sort of bulletin in play here, they're insisting that folks follow everything they were taught in schoolcar down the line. I'm guessing there's more to this story than is out there at the moment. |
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Posted by chud1 on Sun Jan 13 06:38:20 2013, in response to TWU advises T/Os to enter stations slowly, posted by gbs on Sun Jan 13 00:12:00 2013. excellent call by da TWU.chud1 |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sun Jan 13 08:30:57 2013, in response to TWU advises T/Os to enter stations slowly, posted by gbs on Sun Jan 13 00:12:00 2013. No Comment... |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Sun Jan 13 10:03:26 2013, in response to Re: TWU advises T/Os to enter stations slowly, posted by randyo on Sun Jan 13 05:48:59 2013. TWU would have a strong argument in 16000 DANS out of 32000 workers is FRIVOLOUS management. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Jan 13 11:50:23 2013, in response to TWU advises T/Os to enter stations slowly, posted by gbs on Sun Jan 13 00:12:00 2013. You guys know the drill, anything affecting running tome is hateful by the public. My septa MFSE takes 39 minutes from end to end, we never make it.Usually we do it in 41-42 minutes, somebody holds a door open at a stop, or other problems. It's a tricky business.Slowing down entering stations will add many minutes to each run. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Jan 13 12:20:03 2013, in response to Re: TWU advises T/Os to enter stations slowly, posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Jan 13 11:50:23 2013. BART has done the blow the horn routine pretty much from day one. At the time, except for those of us from somewhere else, subways were a new experience. Depending on deceleration techniques, slowing down more gradually to enter might not be a bad thing for brake wear. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jan 13 12:25:43 2013, in response to Re: TWU advises T/Os to enter stations slowly, posted by chud1 on Sun Jan 13 06:38:20 2013. Sarcasm or do you mean that? How slow do you want subway service to be? |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Jan 13 12:39:35 2013, in response to Re: TWU advises T/Os to enter stations slowly, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jan 13 12:25:43 2013. The TWU is looking out for its members. They are the ones who pay the dues, not the riding public.I'd tell them to barrel on in and the heck with the 12-9s, except hat is such a trauma to its own members! They want fast trains and they want safe rides. Is it possible? The LION will not go down there to collect the remains until the power is off and proper flagging is in place. US LIONS HAVE ONION RULES TOO. ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Jan 13 13:21:50 2013, in response to Re: TWU advises T/Os to enter stations slowly, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jan 13 12:25:43 2013. The TWU is looking out for its members. They are the ones who pay the dues, not the riding public.I'd tell them to barrel on in and the heck with the 12-9s, except hat is such a trauma to its own members! They want fast trains and they want safe rides. Is it possible? The LION will not go down there to collect the remains until the power is off and proper flagging is in place. US LIONS HAVE ONION RULES TOO. ROAR |
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Posted by Allan on Sun Jan 13 15:15:27 2013, in response to TWU advises T/Os to enter stations slowly, posted by gbs on Sun Jan 13 00:12:00 2013. While I agree with the intent 100% the TWU always forgets who the transit workers are employed by - the MTA not the TWU. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sun Jan 13 22:26:50 2013, in response to Re: TWU advises T/Os to enter stations slowly, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Jan 13 12:20:03 2013. Yep, same for LACMTA Red/Purple Lines. Unlike BART, those horns on the Bredas are LOUD. Some have said it's because the entire Red/Purple lines are underground, but the BART horns are not that loud in the subway portions.Probably why in the movie "Speed", they susbstituted a BART horn for the actual Red Line horn. |
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Posted by Rtype3995 on Sun Jan 13 23:06:27 2013, in response to Re: TWU advises T/Os to enter stations slowly, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sun Jan 13 22:26:50 2013. The union needs to focus on more important things than stupid ish like this.... |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Jan 13 23:15:56 2013, in response to TWU advises T/Os to enter stations slowly, posted by gbs on Sun Jan 13 00:12:00 2013. A rule-book slowdown! That's how many jobs can REALLY make their point be heard. Except EVERYONE has to stick together in order to make it work. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Jan 13 23:20:49 2013, in response to Re: TWU advises T/Os to enter stations slowly, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Jan 13 23:15:56 2013. It may not be that clear cut. Could such a memo, coupled with a system-wide slow-down of train service be viewed as a job action under the Taylor Law? Just wondering! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jan 13 23:25:50 2013, in response to Re: TWU advises T/Os to enter stations slowly, posted by Train Dude on Sun Jan 13 23:20:49 2013. Could the filing of DANS against half the work force be unfair labor practice? Hmmm. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Jan 13 23:25:56 2013, in response to Re: TWU advises T/Os to enter stations slowly, posted by Train Dude on Sun Jan 13 23:20:49 2013. No one's saying to intentionally slow down, just do EXACTLY what they taught you and you can never be in the wrong! Of course you had better not slip up, not even once and have answers for your actions. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Jan 13 23:35:06 2013, in response to Re: TWU advises T/Os to enter stations slowly, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Jan 13 23:25:56 2013. I'm certainly not advocating - just playing Devil's Advocate |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jan 14 14:31:04 2013, in response to Re: TWU advises T/Os to enter stations slowly, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Jan 13 12:20:03 2013. Actually, entering the stations would probably increase brake wear since the dynamic and regenerative brakes which are the principal means of slowing the train, gradually fade out at lower speeds allowing the brake shoes to apply to the wheels much sooner and for a longer duration. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Jan 14 14:35:02 2013, in response to Re: TWU advises T/Os to enter stations slowly, posted by randyo on Mon Jan 14 14:31:04 2013. That would depend on the actual speed when entering the station. On the older cars - up to R-68A, dynamic fades at between 5-7 MPH. On the new tech cars it's a bit lower. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jan 14 14:39:44 2013, in response to Re: TWU advises T/Os to enter stations slowly, posted by Train Dude on Mon Jan 14 14:35:02 2013. OK, but in any event, entering stations at a lower speed would probably not save brake shoe wear. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Jan 14 14:51:30 2013, in response to Re: TWU advises T/Os to enter stations slowly, posted by randyo on Mon Jan 14 14:39:44 2013. It won't save brake shoe wear at all. It could make it worse if T/O's go to the extreme and come to a stop at the entering signal - blow the horn and then proceed into the station. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Jan 14 15:26:09 2013, in response to Re: TWU advises T/Os to enter stations slowly, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sun Jan 13 22:26:50 2013. Are they anything like WMATA's horns, which I often hear as the train is entering the station at random, presumably if the T/O thinks someone is too close to the edge of the platofrm? |
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TWU advises T/Os to enter stations slowly; (handout image) |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Mon Jan 14 16:50:27 2013, in response to TWU advises T/Os to enter stations slowly, posted by gbs on Sun Jan 13 00:12:00 2013.  |
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Re: TWU advises T/Os to enter stations slowly; (handout image) |
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Posted by monorail on Mon Jan 14 22:33:00 2013, in response to TWU advises T/Os to enter stations slowly; (handout image), posted by Gold_12th on Mon Jan 14 16:50:27 2013. Just do like what was said i the '80's, some motormen enter stations as if they were cowboys..... |
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Posted by North-Easten T/O on Tue Jan 15 06:39:43 2013, in response to Re: TWU advises T/Os to enter stations slowly, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Jan 13 23:25:56 2013. Billbklyn, I was trained to come into station at the Posted Speed. So if the station is marked at 35MPH and I have a 12-9. As long as I put the train in Emgicy the right way in a timely manner, I am covered. So I do Jest Exactly as I was told to do. I not creeping into station because my union say it would help, Ya I know a few people who has 12-9's doing 10MPH into station because of Flagging on the tracks. People who was to jump will just jump later.If the TA changes the rules then I must follow. |
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Posted by North-Easten T/O on Tue Jan 15 06:42:44 2013, in response to Re: TWU advises T/Os to enter stations slowly, posted by North-Easten T/O on Tue Jan 15 06:39:43 2013. BTW, the union tried this before. |
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Re: TWU advises T/Os to enter stations slowly; (handout image) |
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Posted by MR RT on Tue Jan 15 07:49:47 2013, in response to TWU advises T/Os to enter stations slowly; (handout image), posted by Gold_12th on Mon Jan 14 16:50:27 2013. The MTA says this is a slow down :-( |
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Re: TWU advises T/Os to enter stations slowly; (handout image) |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Tue Jan 15 08:55:04 2013, in response to TWU advises T/Os to enter stations slowly; (handout image), posted by Gold_12th on Mon Jan 14 16:50:27 2013. Have to say, I do agree with this initiative. It has the potential of working, but with the craziness of the world (which no real initiative will ever change) and the location on the platform where a jump or push occurs, 12-9s will be every bit as much as risk as it was before. And this doesn't account for the several instances where trespassers in the tunnels were hit. It is a step, but let's see how much this step will achieve in terms of reduced likelihood of additional fatalities from 12-9s.Although, in the "olden" days, guys used to come cruising into stations in the days when speeds were faster, and I never heard of any higher count in 12-9s, especially fatalities, than now. In fact I have heard of more now (old timers from the TA please do step in with your knowledge about how more often the 12-9 has occurred in those days when speeds were faster as opposed to now. Thanks!!) |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Jan 15 10:37:08 2013, in response to Re: TWU advises T/Os to enter stations slowly, posted by Railman718 on Sun Jan 13 08:30:57 2013. You already made a comment. You called him an idiot, remember?First week of Janurary. Do you want to submit them to the union yourself, or pretend that you never had a comment? Like when bigbusman was going to play around on facebook. Or Itallionstallons moron filled post. Those two are mysteriously hiding and cowering. But you, I'll wait for you to do so before I start cut and pasting. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Jan 15 10:39:40 2013, in response to TWU advises T/Os to enter stations slowly, posted by gbs on Sun Jan 13 00:12:00 2013. Going to wait for all these trolls who attacked me for this plan, although it was suggested by a city councilman and now the union. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Tue Jan 15 11:24:33 2013, in response to Re: TWU advises T/Os to enter stations slowly, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Jan 15 10:37:08 2013. Yer still and idiot loser boy now please paste away I'm sure your small minded self can find something to make you laugh.. Since no one here finds you intelligent (I'm guessing all at time a Penn State was worthless then again)Lets see how far you can go. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Tue Jan 15 11:28:55 2013, in response to Re: TWU advises T/Os to enter stations slowly, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Jan 15 10:39:40 2013. Yep and if you would know WE don't really care for it there's a thing called a rule book dummy... If you break the rules how much can a union protect you? Idiots like you who have no idea how things work here comment on things like that...Did you know two other TOs here disagreed with that as well? Nah your are two much on my chit to even realize remember boy I'm in your head.. Any more gibberish please feel free to get off on it while I continue to laugh at you. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Jan 15 13:16:39 2013, in response to Re: TWU advises T/Os to enter stations slowly, posted by Railman718 on Tue Jan 15 11:28:55 2013. Yea, good little big state big regulation voters don't like rules.Ok. keep them coming, I couldn't pay for nor stage a better example. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Tue Jan 15 21:01:24 2013, in response to Re: TWU advises T/Os to enter stations slowly, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Jan 15 13:16:39 2013. Thats the best you got?LMAO my point on yer mommie dropping you stands... |
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