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NYC Subway Deaths Haunt Those at Trains’ Controls
Posted by Gold_12th on Fri Jan 4 15:03:39 2013 edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Late one December morning in 2005, Tracy Moore was pulling her R train into the Steinway Street station in Queens. It is a sloping stretch of track, undulating “like a roller coaster,” Ms. Moore said. She was traveling about 30 miles per hour. There was a man, maybe 5-foot-3, well coifed in a white shirt and suit jacket. She noticed him immediately, but not in time. He jumped. The next moment, the man’s contact with the electrified rail was all she would be able to imagine when she went to bed over the next six months. She said she was unable to sleep for more than two hours at a time. “I was always seeing it, you know?” Ms. Moore, 45, from Staten Island, said. “I see him alive and....” In the last month, the cases of two men who were pushed to their deaths on the tracks have focused attention on the subway system’s most harrowing outcome. But for the men and women who operate New York City’s trains, these episodes represent an occasion to induct two new people to a grim fraternity with hundreds of members. With dozens of people jumping and falling to their deaths on the tracks every year, any of the five million passengers who ride the city’s subway every day can reasonably expect to be driven by someone who has seen, heard or even felt someone perish right in front of them. Decades later, the operators say, the images are vivid. The slender fellow in the jacket and tie, bending his knees at the platform’s edge. The reveler stumbling on the tracks at dawn, wobbly in her evening best, unable to stagger away in time. An arm reaching up, hopefully, then disappearing in a flash. “As cruel as it makes it sound, for the individual it’s over,” said Curtis Tate, a former operator whose train struck and killed a man in 1992. “It’s just beginning for the train operator.” In 2012, 55 people died after being hit by subway trains in New York, an increase of eight deaths compared with 2011. This year has already begun on a grisly note. Around 5:20 a.m. on New Year’s Day, the police said, a woman believed to be in her 20s lay down on the tracks at West 34th Street and was killed by a northbound No. 2 train. Train operators have come to learn certain rules of thumb. Expect about a death across the system per week, perhaps less in a good year. Prepare for more around the holidays. (Statistics do not support the idea that suicides go up at those times, but workers say they believe it to be true.) Operators who go five years without a “12-9” — transit code for a passenger under a train — should count themselves lucky. One operator, Kevin Harrington, 61, said he had recorded “10 or 11” since 1984, one fatal. If their train kills a passenger, operators are now given three days off. If a passenger is struck but not killed, “it’s case by case,” said Jim Gannon, a spokesman for the Transport Workers Union. For near misses or crashes with only minor injuries, workers are expected back the next day. Many workers involved in fatal hits can take months to return if they go on compensated leave while recovering from trauma or other psychological conditions. Some never return to their old jobs at all, seeking transfers to jobs as station agents or other off-track posts, or even retiring if they have already worked many years. The Transport Workers Union said the operator at the helm of the train during the first shoving case last month — when Ki-Suck Han, 58, died beneath a Q train at 49th Street on Dec. 3 — had not yet returned to work. The operator on Dec. 27, when Sunando Sen, 46, was shoved in the path of a No. 7 train at the 40th Street-Lowery Street station, was back at work on Thursday, the union said. Howard Rombom, a psychologist based on Long Island who specializes in fatal subway cases, said an initial hurdle for operators was recognizing they were not at fault. “The train operators understand that there is a possibility in their career that this is going to happen,” Dr. Rombom said. “It’s not an unusual occurrence that makes them special.” Some, including Ms. Moore, have attended support groups for operators involved in deaths. Many patients are also treated using desensitization therapy, Dr. Rombom said, particularly if they are unable to return to work quickly. He might first ask patients to enter the subway system, but not necessarily ride a train. Next, he might suggest that they try riding. Then, if the patients are comfortable, they can ride in the front of a train. Often, some operators said, the trauma does not set in until after the initial procedural steps have been completed. An operator knows to place the train in an emergency stop. If the train is fully or partially in the station, passengers are allowed to get off. The operator reports the crash to a Metropolitan Transportation Authority command center, which removes power to the rail. Kevin Ortiz, a spokesman for the authority, said operators were often asked to “observe the results of the impact” — the macabre scene on the track — so they could communicate with first responders about the passenger’s condition and begin helping investigators gather information after a death. They are also expected to submit urine tests for drugs or alcohol within two hours. But at times, this timeline is upended by the operator’s psychological state. Mike Casella, 59, from Queens, said that after his G train struck and killed a man at Flushing Avenue 25 years ago, the shock of the accident caused him to lose all feeling beneath his waist. Mr. Casella was able to swing himself out of his cab and into a passenger seat, he said, before his conductor traveled from his perch four cars away to help. Mr. Casella was hospitalized for one day. Others have endured more subtle effects: a slightly missed mark at the station where their crash occurred, where concentration can be elusive; a heightened aversion to teenage passengers who jokingly threaten to push friends from the platform; a keen eye for “platform matadors,” as they are known among operators — riders whose heads or limbs lurch above the tracks as the train approaches, only to be pulled away at the last second. Ms. Moore said her sleeping condition compelled her to turn to sedatives like Ambien, despite a longstanding dislike of prescription drugs. She did not return to work for nearly a year. Less than two weeks after she did, she said, she was operating another R train, zipping through a tunnel in Queens at over 30 m.p.h. She asked a supervisor if she could slow down. “He said, ‘Ms. Moore, slow down if you want to slow down,’ ” she recalled. Moments later, as she pulled the train around a curve, a track worker was looking up at her. He darted to safety just in time. “If I wouldn’t have slowed down, he would have definitely been dead,” she said. “Maybe it was my inner sense. God knew I couldn’t stand another one of those things. I would have been in the loony bin.” ---https://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/04/nyregion/subway-deaths-haunt-those-at-trains-controls.html?smid=fb-share&_r=0&pagewanted=all
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Posted by orange blossom special* on Fri Jan 4 16:47:19 2013, in response to NYC Subway Deaths Haunt Those at Trains’ Controls, posted by Gold_12th on Fri Jan 4 15:03:39 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d They either need to replace all the employees with folks who are more heartless, or regulate and shut down the network completely to prevent this type of thing.
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Posted by Railman718* on Fri Jan 4 17:40:18 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway Deaths Haunt Those at Trains’ Controls, posted by orange blossom special on Fri Jan 4 16:47:19 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d They either need to replace all the employees with folks who are more heartless, or regulate and shut down the network completely to prevent this type of thing. Effing pathetic Idiot, no wonder you cry yourself to sleep at night.
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Posted by B68 slow poke* on Fri Jan 4 17:48:09 2013, in response to NYC Subway Deaths Haunt Those at Trains’ Controls, posted by Gold_12th on Fri Jan 4 15:03:39 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Should not the trains come into the station at a slower rate of speed?
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Posted by italianstallion* on Fri Jan 4 17:53:10 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway Deaths Haunt Those at Trains’ Controls, posted by B68 slow poke on Fri Jan 4 17:48:09 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d That would really slow down the system.
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Re: NYC Subway Deaths Haunt Those at Trains’ Controls
Posted by Train Dude* on Fri Jan 4 18:08:10 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway Deaths Haunt Those at Trains’ Controls, posted by orange blossom special on Fri Jan 4 16:47:19 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Neither. Like any other job there are occupational hazards that have to be minimized where possible and dealt with when necessary. The accidental killing of another human being should be a traumatic event in the life of the train operator. Regardless of whether the person jumps, is pushed or falls, should not make a difference. I'd question their sanity if it were not. If and when it happens, the operator should be given the care and resources available to any other employee injured in any other way while on duty. They should be allowed to heal. To do less or to suggest that they use "stronger" people to do the job trivializes the issue and that's not something that we should be doing. Sometimes you are right on the mark but this time you completely missed the target.
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Posted by Railman718* on Fri Jan 4 18:15:37 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway Deaths Haunt Those at Trains’ Controls, posted by Train Dude on Fri Jan 4 18:08:10 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Great Post Steve lets see if it sinks in that Thick Skull of his.. College Education doesn't always mean intelligence you know...
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Posted by Train Dude* on Fri Jan 4 18:17:29 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway Deaths Haunt Those at Trains’ Controls, posted by Railman718 on Fri Jan 4 18:15:37 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Yes, as we can see from our upstate bag of wisdom.
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Posted by R36 #9346* on Fri Jan 4 18:18:05 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway Deaths Haunt Those at Trains’ Controls, posted by Train Dude on Fri Jan 4 18:08:10 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Agreed. If it happens, it happens. Every day that it doesn't, consider yourself fortunate, and be grateful for it.
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Posted by orange blossom special* on Fri Jan 4 18:23:31 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway Deaths Haunt Those at Trains’ Controls, posted by Railman718 on Fri Jan 4 17:40:18 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d What's so idiotic about it? It's what I keep hearing from our politicians when things aren't regulated or too dangerous. Like big gulps, guns, dodgeball, little league baseball, employer funded pain pills...
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Posted by orange blossom special* on Fri Jan 4 18:25:20 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway Deaths Haunt Those at Trains’ Controls, posted by Train Dude on Fri Jan 4 18:08:10 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d More truckers can't sleep at night from the things people do on the road than unprotected and unregulated train riders in nyc, whilst the rest of the world solved this problem years ago. See my previous response to illiterate a few posts up. I hope bloomberg does something, like he did for obesity.
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Posted by orange blossom special* on Fri Jan 4 18:26:33 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway Deaths Haunt Those at Trains’ Controls, posted by italianstallion on Fri Jan 4 17:53:10 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Yes, we must've err on the side of caution and health and safety when it comes to 5 extra seconds. We're only compassionate liberals who talk about national health in name only, but not actions. Great rebuttal you done did.
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Posted by orange blossom special on Fri Jan 4 18:27:01 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway Deaths Haunt Those at Trains’ Controls, posted by orange blossom special on Fri Jan 4 18:26:33 2013. edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d drats, we mustn't err on the side of health and safety I meant to say.
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Posted by Railman718* on Fri Jan 4 18:31:23 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway Deaths Haunt Those at Trains’ Controls, posted by orange blossom special on Fri Jan 4 18:23:31 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d No i didnt say it was Idiotic i said you was for saying it. Comparing truckers to Engineers and train operators is just as stupid.. I know of a few folks who would make you kiss the third rail if you said something stupid like that to their face, oh wait...
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Posted by Railman718* on Fri Jan 4 18:33:27 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway Deaths Haunt Those at Trains’ Controls, posted by orange blossom special on Fri Jan 4 18:25:20 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Bloomberg has no say so in How RTO is run as well as polices regarding things such as dealing with 12-9's, shows you how out of touch you are...
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Posted by italianstallion* on Fri Jan 4 19:00:06 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway Deaths Haunt Those at Trains’ Controls, posted by orange blossom special on Fri Jan 4 18:26:33 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Guess we should all drive at 5 MPH in the city because there are pedestrians who cross without looking. Great rebuttal you done did there.
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Posted by Railman718* on Fri Jan 4 19:03:42 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway Deaths Haunt Those at Trains’ Controls, posted by orange blossom special on Fri Jan 4 18:26:33 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Just gotta love the people who make dumb comments in a profession they will never have the balls to work in...
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Posted by JayZeeBMT* on Fri Jan 4 19:20:04 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway Deaths Haunt Those at Trains’ Controls, posted by orange blossom special on Fri Jan 4 16:47:19 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d I wish I could have had YOU with me at just ONE of the ,any 12-9s I handled during my EMS career. While I'm down there with the patient waiting for my 95 tag from the cops, YOU would be running back upstairs screaming in horror. BELIEVE THAT.
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Posted by Easy* on Fri Jan 4 20:21:23 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway Deaths Haunt Those at Trains’ Controls, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Jan 4 19:20:04 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d That's quite different. Given the choice, I'd much rather run someone over than have to do what you did. Running someone over with a train would bother me if they fell or were pushed, but if they jumped...? I'm sure that it would have some effect on me and I might relive what happened sometimes, but I really don't think that it would tear me up for any extended period.
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Posted by rkba* on Fri Jan 4 21:32:00 2013, in response to NYC Subway Deaths Haunt Those at Trains’ Controls, posted by Gold_12th on Fri Jan 4 15:03:39 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Clearly trains kill people and therefore require heavy regulation.
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Posted by B68 slow poke* on Fri Jan 4 21:56:28 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway Deaths Haunt Those at Trains’ Controls, posted by rkba on Fri Jan 4 21:32:00 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d SLOW THE TRAINS DOWN
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Posted by BigBusDriver* on Fri Jan 4 21:57:59 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway Deaths Haunt Those at Trains’ Controls, posted by orange blossom special on Fri Jan 4 18:25:20 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d See my previous response to illiterate* a few posts up* From Dictionary.com: illiterate il·lit·er·ate [ih-lit-er-it] Show IPA adjective 1.unable to read and write: an illiterate group. 2.having or demonstrating very little or no education. 3.showing lack of culture, especially in language and literature. 4.displaying a marked lack of knowledge in a particular field: He is musically illiterate. noun 5.an illiterate person. I'll go with #4 above and be polite..... STILL LOL@POSTURING PEOPLE
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Posted by mcorivervsaf* on Fri Jan 4 21:58:19 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway Deaths Haunt Those at Trains’ Controls, posted by B68 slow poke on Fri Jan 4 21:56:28 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d IF ONLY IT WAS THAT SIMPLE.
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Posted by BigBusDriver* on Fri Jan 4 22:10:45 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway Deaths Haunt Those at Trains’ Controls, posted by orange blossom special on Fri Jan 4 18:26:33 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Yes, we must've err on the side of caution and health and safety when it comes to 5 extra seconds. We're only compassionate liberals who talk about national health in name only, but not actions. Great rebuttal you done did. 5 extra seconds X EVERY Station stop made by EVERY train = Mucho Money. You think MTA is going to pony up that kind of money? Better yet, have EVERY Train Operator STOP EVERY train at the front of the station and have EVERY Train Operator yell into the station "YooHoo! Train coming IN!" THAT'll make the system safe.... STILL LOL@CORNBALL COMMENTATORS
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Posted by B68 slow poke* on Fri Jan 4 22:15:16 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway Deaths Haunt Those at Trains’ Controls, posted by mcorivervsaf on Fri Jan 4 21:58:19 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d LOL !
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Posted by mcorivervsaf* on Fri Jan 4 22:17:45 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway Deaths Haunt Those at Trains’ Controls, posted by B68 slow poke on Fri Jan 4 22:15:16 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d :) Naturally, I realize this is a serious subject, so I'll keep the laughter to a minimum.
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Posted by rkba* on Fri Jan 4 22:19:12 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway Deaths Haunt Those at Trains’ Controls, posted by mcorivervsaf on Fri Jan 4 22:17:45 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Surely you can't be serious!
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Posted by SelkirkTMO* on Fri Jan 4 22:21:32 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway Deaths Haunt Those at Trains’ Controls, posted by BigBusDriver on Fri Jan 4 22:10:45 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d You KNOW they're gonna try that. Full stop, four honks, proceed, POINT at the platform. :-\
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Posted by mcorivervsaf* on Fri Jan 4 22:24:53 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway Deaths Haunt Those at Trains’ Controls, posted by rkba on Fri Jan 4 22:19:12 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Just wanted to clarify that point, that's all.
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Re: NYC Subway Deaths Haunt Those at Trains’ Controls
Posted by BigBusDriver* on Fri Jan 4 22:25:18 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway Deaths Haunt Those at Trains’ Controls, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jan 4 22:21:32 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Full stop, four honks, proceed, POINT at the platform. :-\ Point at each potential jumper/shovee/drunk/high customer/cell phone user/leaner..... and still drive! STILL LOL@MTA MAYBES
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Posted by SelkirkTMO* on Fri Jan 4 22:26:45 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway Deaths Haunt Those at Trains’ Controls, posted by BigBusDriver on Fri Jan 4 22:25:18 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d There ya go! I knew my bulletin was too short. I guess they should also specify WHICH finger to point with too. :)
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Re: NYC Subway Deaths Haunt Those at Trains’ Controls
Posted by Railman718* on Sat Jan 5 07:04:47 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway Deaths Haunt Those at Trains’ Controls, posted by BigBusDriver on Fri Jan 4 21:57:59 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Ha ha that stupid fool still don't think I work down here.. What a moron...
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Posted by Railman718* on Sat Jan 5 07:07:30 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway Deaths Haunt Those at Trains’ Controls, posted by BigBusDriver on Fri Jan 4 22:10:45 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d With Facebook you can make morons like him very popular quick eh BigBus???
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Posted by Catfish 44* on Sat Jan 5 10:11:58 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway Deaths Haunt Those at Trains’ Controls, posted by orange blossom special on Fri Jan 4 16:47:19 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d What are you talking about?
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Re: NYC Subway Deaths Haunt Those at Trains’ Controls
Posted by Railman718* on Sat Jan 5 10:33:03 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway Deaths Haunt Those at Trains’ Controls, posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Jan 5 10:11:58 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d It's obvious the dummy has no idea what he's talking about.. Penn State or whatever junior college he went to should pay his parents back, with interest... Looks like it didn't help at all...
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Re: NYC Subway Deaths Haunt Those at Trains’ Controls
Posted by 5119* on Sat Jan 5 12:45:13 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway Deaths Haunt Those at Trains’ Controls, posted by Railman718 on Sat Jan 5 10:33:03 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d It is easy to type on a computer, judging how someone whoul or should respond. However, it is a totally diferrent situation when you have been involved in something as traumatic as these individuals have. Let me say this! You never know how you're going to respond to any kind of traumatic experience. So, lets tke it easy on those who have experience truma on the job. They need our prayers as well as support.
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Posted by NIMBYkiller* on Sat Jan 5 12:54:03 2013, in response to NYC Subway Deaths Haunt Those at Trains’ Controls, posted by Gold_12th on Fri Jan 4 15:03:39 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d This is the one thing that has always kept me from ever trying to get in as a TO or engineer. It's a sad but almost inevitable event on the job
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Re: NYC Subway Deaths Haunt Those at Trains’ Controls
Posted by Railman718* on Sat Jan 5 19:50:28 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway Deaths Haunt Those at Trains’ Controls, posted by 5119 on Sat Jan 5 12:45:13 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d It is easy to type on a computer, judging how someone whoul or should respond. However, it is a totally diferrent situation when you have been involved in something as traumatic as these individuals have. Let me say this! You never know how you're going to respond to any kind of traumatic experience. So, lets tke it easy on those who have experience truma on the job. They need our prayers as well as support. I thank you for that... Since i had a 12-9...
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Re: NYC Subway Deaths Haunt Those at Trains’ Controls
Posted by orange blossom special* on Sun Jan 6 11:12:19 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway Deaths Haunt Those at Trains’ Controls, posted by italianstallion on Fri Jan 4 19:00:06 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Yes, you are correct. Legally you must slow down to an appropriate speed at such road conditions. Such as the Live Stop law, which does actually specify 5mph. I'm sure they also 'haunt' the drivers of the cars as well.
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Re: NYC Subway Deaths Haunt Those at Trains’ Controls
Posted by orange blossom special* on Sun Jan 6 11:12:58 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway Deaths Haunt Those at Trains’ Controls, posted by Railman718 on Fri Jan 4 19:03:42 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d What "profession" is that, driving?
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Re: NYC Subway Deaths Haunt Those at Trains’ Controls
Posted by orange blossom special* on Sun Jan 6 11:14:11 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway Deaths Haunt Those at Trains’ Controls, posted by BigBusDriver on Fri Jan 4 22:10:45 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Sounds good to me. NYC already has probably the slowest system in the nation. But I guess human life is meaningless when it comes to some people's aspergers like fixation with the railroad.
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Re: NYC Subway Deaths Haunt Those at Trains’ Controls
Posted by orange blossom special* on Sun Jan 6 11:14:30 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway Deaths Haunt Those at Trains’ Controls, posted by Railman718 on Sat Jan 5 07:07:30 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d sure done did yo
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Re: NYC Subway Deaths Haunt Those at Trains’ Controls
Posted by orange blossom special* on Sun Jan 6 11:18:33 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway Deaths Haunt Those at Trains’ Controls, posted by BigBusDriver on Fri Jan 4 22:10:45 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Oh fudge, I forgot I was on subchat talking to progressives. I'm supposed to do the math for you. F train has 44 or 45 stations. 5 seconds equals 3 minutes. 3 minutes to save a life. How horrible. Is this the official TWU position or just your quickly reversing opinion? 21 stations 7 train. 2 minutes extra. I see you came up with the rebuttal that Obama uses, I don't see your plan anywhere.
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Re: NYC Subway Deaths Haunt Those at Trains’ Controls
Posted by orange blossom special* on Sun Jan 6 11:18:50 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway Deaths Haunt Those at Trains’ Controls, posted by Railman718 on Sat Jan 5 07:07:30 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d oops, I did it again
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Re: NYC Subway Deaths Haunt Those at Trains’ Controls
Posted by orange blossom special* on Sun Jan 6 11:22:01 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway Deaths Haunt Those at Trains’ Controls, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jan 4 22:26:45 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Well, it sure seems more dangerous than guns. So I still await politicians to finally regulate this system or ban it like a big gulp. Or am I being told that Big Gulps and a stick of butter is way more dangerous than these trains are?
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Re: NYC Subway Deaths Haunt Those at Trains’ Controls
Posted by Bill from Maspeth* on Sun Jan 6 11:27:18 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway Deaths Haunt Those at Trains’ Controls, posted by orange blossom special on Sun Jan 6 11:18:33 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d You are way off on your running time differential. In order for a train to enter a staion at 10 MPH, it would have to reduce speed far before said station so that it enters the station at 10 MPH. and maintain it for 600' give or take. This backs up trains behind it as well as it take the signal blocks behind it longer to clear. I know at least one case where a train was entering a staion 10 MPH under flagging protection and someone still jumped in front and was killed.
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Re: NYC Subway Deaths Haunt Those at Trains’ Controls
Posted by orange blossom special* on Sun Jan 6 11:28:25 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway Deaths Haunt Those at Trains’ Controls, posted by BigBusDriver on Fri Jan 4 22:10:45 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Did BigBusDriver and "railman" read the article? Would they have the subject of the unread article fired for this segment? If these two were supervisors, they would've apparently said "no, you're cosing the system money.". Is this the type of people we want for the city? Instead of the folks who were actually involved who did this: Less than two weeks after she did, she said, she was operating another train, zipping through a tunnel in Queens at over 30 mph. She asked a supervisor if she could slow down. "He said, 'Ms. Moore, slow down if you want to slow down,"' she recalled. Moments later, as she pulled the train around a curve, a track worker was looking up at her. He darted to safety just in time. "If I wouldn't have slowed down, he would have definitely been dead," she said. "Maybe it was my inner sense. God knew I couldn't stand another one of those things. I would have been in the loony bin." How much did you figure that costed?
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Re: NYC Subway Deaths Haunt Those at Trains’ Controls
Posted by orange blossom special* on Sun Jan 6 11:36:09 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway Deaths Haunt Those at Trains’ Controls, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jan 6 11:27:18 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Yes, however, you are having a real conversation with me now on the best course of action, via an arbitrary number of five seconds that I threw down there to parrot what some council members say to rile up the forces of hate. Even parroting policy on any number of other things as well. I'd normally love to pursue this, although I'm sure the answer returns back to subway platform doors(that'd get slimy and scratched up), however it won't be an easy task once the subthread gets hijacked. Secondly, when do the brakes normally get applied? It always seemed that some trains 'zip' into the station.
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Re: NYC Subway Deaths Haunt Those at Trains’ Controls
Posted by Catfish 44* on Sun Jan 6 11:42:54 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway Deaths Haunt Those at Trains’ Controls, posted by orange blossom special on Sun Jan 6 11:12:58 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Yeah it is. Whats your problem?
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Re: NYC Subway Deaths Haunt Those at Trains’ Controls
Posted by BigBusDriver* on Sun Jan 6 11:50:55 2013, in response to Re: NYC Subway Deaths Haunt Those at Trains’ Controls, posted by orange blossom special on Sun Jan 6 11:28:25 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Did BigBusDriver and "railman" read the article? I know I read it. The T/O didn't slow to a crawl, as it seems like you want ALL trains to do. She had a "hunch" that something was amiss, and while operating the train, she took some speed off. With a supervisor there, I'm sure she didn't slow too much, as per TA rules she could be hit with a violation for disruption of service. Like Goldilocks (I'm sure you know Fairy Tales....), she took off just enough to 'feel right'. STILL LOL@BREE WANNA-BES
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