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Posted by chuchubob on Tue Sep 25 17:46:55 2012, in response to Topic For Tuesday Railbus, posted by Avid Reader on Tue Sep 25 17:23:55 2012. East Broad Top M-1 was built to Brill specs, shrunk to 3-foot gauge, by EBT because Brill refused to build a one-off.
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Posted by chud1 on Tue Sep 25 18:02:53 2012, in response to Topic For Tuesday Railbus, posted by Avid Reader on Tue Sep 25 17:23:55 2012. excellent.chud1 |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Tue Sep 25 18:28:28 2012, in response to Re: Topic For Tuesday Railbus, posted by chuchubob on Tue Sep 25 17:46:55 2012. Wasn't that some kind of patent infringement? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Sep 25 18:35:44 2012, in response to Topic For Tuesday Railbus, posted by Avid Reader on Tue Sep 25 17:23:55 2012. Houston North Shore Railway experimented with railbuses once as well. Sad to say, these replaced PCC cars, which if they had remained might have saved that railroad. British Rail had plenty of railbuses as well. One of the uglier examples was built by Leyland; BR ended up converting it to 5' 3" gauge and sending it over to Northern Ireland Railways . . .  |
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Posted by chuchubob on Tue Sep 25 18:51:52 2012, in response to Re: Topic For Tuesday Railbus, posted by Avid Reader on Tue Sep 25 18:28:28 2012. Brill provided the standard gauge blueprints, presumably for a price. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Tue Sep 25 19:15:48 2012, in response to Topic For Tuesday Railbus, posted by Avid Reader on Tue Sep 25 17:23:55 2012. Great stuff, back when there were too many tracks and they'd all go where people wanted to go it looks like. Be hard to do with all the abandonments now.Although, a bunch of these as a new commuter line.... Picture this. They upgrade old lines, and put in giant trains or new ones for new commuter lines in cities that have no existing service at the moment. It's done on the cheap, oftentimes long headways. Throw a ton of these on there at 10 minute intervals instead of forcing an hourly or 30 minute headway. Or at least during the shoulder of rush hour. Sure beats the traffic. |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Tue Sep 25 22:02:38 2012, in response to Re: Topic For Tuesday Railbus, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Sep 25 18:35:44 2012. That 602 looks kind of like an old Flxible design.-w- |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Tue Sep 25 22:09:46 2012, in response to Re: Topic For Tuesday Railbus, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Sep 25 18:35:44 2012. "British Rail had plenty of railbuses as well. One of the uglier examples was built by Leyland; BR ended up converting it to 5' 3" gauge and sending it over to Northern Ireland Railways . . ."One to the causes of "the Troubles" |
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Posted by WillD on Wed Sep 26 00:42:39 2012, in response to Topic For Tuesday Railbus, posted by Avid Reader on Tue Sep 25 17:23:55 2012. Not quite the same, but meanwhile in Japan:Of course over there it's a profligate waste of track capacity that could undoubtedly be better utilized. And then there's the small issue of making sure it shunts reliably. And the Germans tried it too. Navel Proving Grounds Edwards Island Worth mentioning that the doodlebug says "Naval Proving Ground Dahlgren Virginia" on the side of it. Today the Dahlgren facility is called the Naval Surface Warfare Center Dahlgren Complex, but back then it would have been where the US Navy's battleship and cruiser main batteries were developed, tested, and prepared before being installed in their ships' turrets. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Sep 26 01:05:49 2012, in response to Re: Topic For Tuesday Railbus, posted by WillD on Wed Sep 26 00:42:39 2012. Well that's stupid ... everybody knows that the Long Island Railroad did it right the first time! :)
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Posted by Avid Reader on Wed Sep 26 08:41:15 2012, in response to Re: Topic For Tuesday Railbus, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Sep 25 18:35:44 2012. If I recall correctly, didn't the L.I.R.R. have a Dual Purpose Bus equipped with running gear that allowed the bus to run on rails or on the road. The gear was like that used on the Maintenance Of Way Trucks. I could not find a Photo, but I know a photo is out there, somewhere. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Wed Sep 26 08:44:20 2012, in response to Re: Topic For Tuesday Railbus, posted by orange blossom special on Tue Sep 25 19:15:48 2012. Not only beat traffic, but relieve traffic. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Wed Sep 26 15:47:20 2012, in response to Re: Topic For Tuesday Railbus, posted by orange blossom special on Tue Sep 25 19:15:48 2012. IAWTPIt's a shame they were never successful, higher frequency service would have helped offset the losses. |
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Posted by Evan on Wed Sep 26 16:42:52 2012, in response to Topic For Tuesday Railbus, posted by Avid Reader on Tue Sep 25 17:23:55 2012. And there's a model 55 Brill in Kingston at the Trolley Museum of New York. Unfortunately it hasn't seen the light of day for a few years due to mechanical issues. P.S. Tax-deductible donations to the museum always welcome: Donate! |
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Posted by kp5308 on Wed Sep 26 21:01:10 2012, in response to Re: Topic For Tuesday Railbus, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Sep 26 01:05:49 2012. NICE! I guess the "engineer" just honked the standard Vdub horn at crossings :o) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Sep 26 21:10:57 2012, in response to Re: Topic For Tuesday Railbus, posted by kp5308 on Wed Sep 26 21:01:10 2012. I believe that horn was for smoking bowls, man ... :) |
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Posted by kp5308 on Wed Sep 26 21:21:13 2012, in response to Re: Topic For Tuesday Railbus, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Sep 26 21:10:57 2012. BA-RO.... |
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Posted by kp5308 on Wed Sep 26 21:22:56 2012, in response to Topic For Tuesday Railbus, posted by Avid Reader on Tue Sep 25 17:23:55 2012. RDG 65 was equipped with flanged rubber tires & was a TOTAL disaster. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Sep 26 21:31:22 2012, in response to Re: Topic For Tuesday Railbus, posted by kp5308 on Wed Sep 26 21:22:56 2012. Musta done wonders for the local highways. I wonder if that's where PA came up with the idea of grooved pavement? I know the PA Turnpike got the idea of "click clack" down solid with their offset cement slabs. :) |
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Posted by kp5308 on Wed Sep 26 21:34:33 2012, in response to Re: Topic For Tuesday Railbus, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Sep 26 21:31:22 2012. You may have something there Kev because the Pennsy had a pair of these nighmares to boot! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Sep 26 21:39:00 2012, in response to Re: Topic For Tuesday Railbus, posted by kp5308 on Wed Sep 26 21:34:33 2012. Well there ya are! :) |
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Posted by Dave on Wed Sep 26 21:53:16 2012, in response to Re: Topic For Tuesday Railbus, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Sep 26 21:31:22 2012. Actually, the idea for grooved pavement came from airports, which groove runways to holds water that could otherwise lead to aircraft hydroplaning. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Sep 26 21:57:01 2012, in response to Re: Topic For Tuesday Railbus, posted by Dave on Wed Sep 26 21:53:16 2012. Oh I know ... I was making a funnay. :) |
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Posted by Evan on Thu Sep 27 14:26:46 2012, in response to Re: Topic For Tuesday Railbus, posted by Evan on Wed Sep 26 16:42:52 2012. And former #121, now M-55, at Ringos NJ:
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Posted by Avid Reader on Thu Sep 27 18:59:20 2012, in response to Topic For Tuesday Railbus, posted by Avid Reader on Tue Sep 25 17:23:55 2012. So close and then so farRef.600 1951 Mack FCD Railbus (New Haven Railroad #10). In May 1951 Frederick C. Dumaine, Jr. succeeded his father as president of the New Haven Railroad. His business plan included adding passenger runs on lightly used branch lines. In October 1951 Mack Trucks completed its diesel-electric railcar (serial number 1001), christened by Mack as FCD (Frederick C. Dumaine). The car was basically a Mack model C-50 rode on modified Clark B-2 trucks with resilent wheels and employed a 220h.p. Mack diesel engine to drive a General Electric 300-volt generator. In March 1952 car No. 10 made a press run and in April 1952 it was placed in revenue service on the Blackstone commuter run out of Boston. In the following year, the New Haven ordered nine modified FCD railbuses from Mack, which were delivered to the company in summer 1954. In the meantime, in April 1954 Patrick McGinnis won a proxy fight for control of the New Haven. He had no interest in branch line passenger service or railbuses and when the nine FCD-IIs were delivered, eight of them were immediately stored at the Readville, MA shops together with original #10. Only number 12 was put in service and after two years of running between Worcester and Providence it too was stored. In 1962 Mack FCD #10 was sold to Ferrocarril de Langreo of Gijon, Spain together with six railbuses from second batch. Photo: Mack Trucks; New Haven Railroad advertising. Ref.600a 1951 Mack FCD Railbus (Ferro-Carril de Langreo #206; ex-New Haven Railroad, acq. in 1962). In 1962/63, the Ferro-Carril de Langreo, the private Spanish railroad operated in the Gijon area (north-west of Spain), acquired unemployed Mack railbuses from New Haven Railroad, include FCD-1 railbus No.10. The Macks were repainted in the regular FCL dark green color with silver beltrail, FCD-1 railbus was numbered 206; it was withdrawn in late 1970s while other Mack railbuses remained in service until 1983, when the company's tracks were changed to to meter gauge (the Ferro-Carril de Langreo was nationalized in 1972 and then the operation was transferred to FEVE company, which use the meter gauge). One of Mack railbuses of second series, No.203 was preserved at the Museo del Ferrocarril de Asturias (Asturias Railroad Museum) in Gijón. Photographer unknown; photo from C.A.Brown's article in the Shoreliner |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Thu Sep 27 19:06:38 2012, in response to Re: Topic For Tuesday Railbus, posted by Avid Reader on Thu Sep 27 18:59:20 2012. New Haven Rail bus.  
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Posted by kp5308 on Fri Sep 28 21:26:37 2012, in response to Re: Topic For Tuesday Railbus, posted by Avid Reader on Thu Sep 27 19:06:38 2012. BTW NH #15 is at Danbury CT, but it is heavily modified: |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Fri Sep 28 23:04:38 2012, in response to Re: Topic For Tuesday Railbus, posted by kp5308 on Fri Sep 28 21:26:37 2012. Remington Arms, IIRC? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 29 00:31:44 2012, in response to Topic For Tuesday Railbus, posted by Avid Reader on Tue Sep 25 17:23:55 2012. ACF Motorailer a railbus or DMU? |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Sat Sep 29 10:50:01 2012, in response to Re: Topic For Tuesday Railbus, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 29 00:31:44 2012. Maybe a Doodlebug?It is a beauty, whatever it's called. |
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Posted by kp5308 on Sat Sep 29 12:21:51 2012, in response to Re: Topic For Tuesday Railbus, posted by RockParkMan on Fri Sep 28 23:04:38 2012. Remington Arms, IIRC?From the museum site: ex Sperry Rail Services (parts) exx Remington Arms 2 nee New Haven 15 Arrived Danbury 9/7/96 Donated by Sperry Rail Services Built 1954 by the Mack Truck Co. Allentown, PA Dimensions: inside H 6'9"(6" over rear seat), W 7'9" (aisle width 16" seat width 3'2"), outside L 41'7"W 8'6" H 9'9" The New Haven RR intended this unit for passenger short-lines use; however, it was never put into service. In April, 1962 it was sold to Remington Arms of Bridgeport, CT, where it was used as an industrial shuttle. Sperry Rail Services of Danbury purchased it July, 1985 for use in track inspection and finally donated it to DRM. In total, a prototype car and nine others were built for the New Haven under Frederick C. Dumaine, Jr. who designated the FCDs in honor of his father, the recently retired chairman of the board. Due to management changes at the New Haven, the FCDs were sold with only one ever having carried any passengers. However, an e-mail from a museum in Spain informed us that they have one, too, and that it had carried passengers in their country up until 1978. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 29 14:16:38 2012, in response to Re: Topic For Tuesday Railbus, posted by kp5308 on Sat Sep 29 12:21:51 2012. Too bad. Would have been interesting to see it in MBTA colors . . . |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 29 14:21:23 2012, in response to Re: Topic For Tuesday Railbus, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 29 00:31:44 2012. Those Motorailers used to run between Susquehanna Transfer (North Bergen) and North Hawthorne. |
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Posted by kp5308 on Sat Sep 29 14:49:38 2012, in response to Re: Topic For Tuesday Railbus, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 29 14:21:23 2012. When they actually ran... |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 29 15:02:39 2012, in response to Re: Topic For Tuesday Railbus, posted by kp5308 on Sat Sep 29 14:49:38 2012. Yes; they were replaced by RDCs rather quickly. |
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Posted by kp5308 on Sat Sep 29 15:39:22 2012, in response to Re: Topic For Tuesday Railbus, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 29 14:21:23 2012. Check out this exchange between the Susie-Q & the New York Ontario & Western:"...Mr Norton (NYSW ?) reported that he had spent the weekend, from September 1 to September 5, (1939) with Mr. Lyford, Trustee of the Ontario (at the O&W's Livingston Manor retreat ?), and that various projects had been discussed, including the following: 1. Mr. Lyford was considering the purchase of a motorcar similar to those designed for the Susquehanna, but with mail and express compartments, which he proposed to use instead of the present steam equipment to cover his mail and express and incidental passenger service from Weehawken, N.J to Walton, N.Y., during the winter months. The Susquehanna could use this car during the summer months to carry mail and express to Sussex, now handled on trains 907 and 930. For no more in expense than these two steam trains cost, the Susquehanna could also test the possibilities of summer passenger traffic in the Sussex area by running this car in from Sussex so that passengers could reach New York at about 8:30 in the morning, returning to Sussex with mail and express, return to Hawthorne for servicing and leave New York with passengers about 5:30 in the evening. (The NYS&W was thinking of a media campaign promoting "Susquehannaland" home sites and home sales to potential commuters) Now THAT would have been quite the paint scheme to see on one of those cars :o) |
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