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Posted by Alan Follett on Mon Aug 27 11:46:06 2012, in response to Eeek! Riders React to CTA 5000 Series, posted by SLRT on Mon Aug 27 11:37:37 2012. While visiting Chicago (the Old Country), I rode a 5000 for the first time last Friday. At midday, with the car far from full, the longitudinal seats weren't a problem; I had empty seats on both sides of me. In rush hour conditions I suspect the seating arrangements would have made for an unpleasant experience. Chicagoans simply aren't accustomed to bowling alley seating, and most have no wish to become accustomed to it.Alan Follett Hercules, CA |
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Posted by SLRT on Mon Aug 27 12:01:35 2012, in response to Re: Eeek! Riders React to CTA 5000 Series, posted by Alan Follett on Mon Aug 27 11:46:06 2012. Article: At a time that Claypool says the CTA is intently focused on attracting new riders, how about reconfiguring the next 100 rail cars with seats that Chicagoans — not New Yorkers — prefer?Who says New Yorkers prefer it? Those of us who didn't cut our teeth on IRT subway cars aren't fond of longitudinal seating. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Aug 27 14:40:31 2012, in response to Re: Eeek! Riders React to CTA 5000 Series, posted by SLRT on Mon Aug 27 12:01:35 2012. I think that there are a lot of NYers around who remember mostly the R-27s through 42s on the BMT/IND with their bowling alley seating especially those on lines that did not have the 75 ft cars such as the BMT Eastern and thus are not that familiar with cross seating. |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Mon Aug 27 15:36:40 2012, in response to Re: Eeek! Riders React to CTA 5000 Series, posted by randyo on Mon Aug 27 14:40:31 2012. Remember folks....most of the NYC seats was just a long expanse. If you were wide you just took up more space. Chicago's 5000s are partitioned with little pads for you to sit on. Doesn't make any diffrence if you're wide or narrow, you sit on the same size pad. Plus many pads are hemmed in by the upright standee poles. There are only four traverse seatings but they are at the wheelchair locations.David Harrison |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Aug 27 16:04:23 2012, in response to Re: Eeek! Riders React to CTA 5000 Series, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Mon Aug 27 15:36:40 2012. So CTA designers didn't learn from NYCT's mistakes with the R-62s. When you are designing seats, they should be bench style not pseudo bucket style. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Aug 27 16:57:13 2012, in response to Eeek! Riders React to CTA 5000 Series, posted by SLRT on Mon Aug 27 11:37:37 2012. They are supposed to replace just have of the 600 2600 series cars. (The 3200's get rebuilt into 5000-compatible). What becomes of the remaining 2600's ? Sounds like another R32/R42 situation. |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Mon Aug 27 20:25:43 2012, in response to Re: Eeek! Riders React to CTA 5000 Series, posted by Joe V on Mon Aug 27 16:57:13 2012. If management decides they are not needed for route expansion and/or ten car trains on the Red line, they might be the start of an artificial reef in Lake Michigan. Of course if Republicans get elected and dry up transit money then for sure they're surplus. It's amazing that the bodies of the 2200s are in such good shape. Too bad some system in need, like maybe Boston couldn't gut them.A six car charter of 2200s ran Sunday. Only about a dozen people on board. David Harrison |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Mon Aug 27 23:48:20 2012, in response to Re: Eeek! Riders React to CTA 5000 Series, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Mon Aug 27 15:36:40 2012. But don't all 'L' cars have the little pads? Either way, I think going with bowling-alley seating on the 5000s was a big mistake and they should go back to transverse seating like on the previous fleets. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Mon Aug 27 23:51:22 2012, in response to Re: Eeek! Riders React to CTA 5000 Series, posted by SLRT on Mon Aug 27 12:01:35 2012. I grew up in the Bronx with the #2 and #5 lines and I absolutely hate IRT-style bowling alley seating. For me, riding the R46s and R68s on the A, D, F and R lines is always a nice escape from that. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Mon Aug 27 23:58:01 2012, in response to Eeek! Riders React to CTA 5000 Series, posted by SLRT on Mon Aug 27 11:37:37 2012. I have to agree with Hilkevitch. They should go back to the forward- and backward-facing seats of the older cars. One of the things I dislike the most about the R143s and 160s here in New York are the inward-facing benches. People spread out on them, taking up as many as four seats. Homeless folks use them as beds. And God help you if you look at the wrong person across from you ("Hey! Whatchu lookin' at?) |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Aug 28 02:08:00 2012, in response to Re: Eeek! Riders React to CTA 5000 Series, posted by randyo on Mon Aug 27 14:40:31 2012. Hold up..I know most younger eastern division riders never rode the older R units..like the PREWAR R1/9 or the postwar R10/11/16's..but they[riders]weren't confined to the east ONLY..The 75ft cars have been around since the early 70's..especially on the A line..which by all standards could be considered a "Eastern division" line in Brooklyn and Queens since replacing its elevated cousin... |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Aug 28 02:19:31 2012, in response to Re: Eeek! Riders React to CTA 5000 Series, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Mon Aug 27 23:58:01 2012. It is what it is..I loved the R110A/B seating..plenty of room...nice set up... As a matter of fact..new cars should come with transverse seats like the 110a.. |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Tue Aug 28 11:21:12 2012, in response to Eeek! Riders React to CTA 5000 Series, posted by SLRT on Mon Aug 27 11:37:37 2012. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-met-cta-facing-seats-controversy--0828-20120828,0,2363693.storyCTA President Forrest Claypool says seating in 5000s stays for next 40 years to 2052!! Footnote: Unless Da Mayar says differently. D. Harrison |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Tue Aug 28 12:17:13 2012, in response to Re:Was: Eeek! CTA Refuses Seating Change, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Tue Aug 28 11:21:12 2012. Argh, but the reasoning makes sense. Hopefully whatever order of cars comes in the future won't have this type of seating. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Aug 28 13:59:49 2012, in response to Re: Eeek! Riders React to CTA 5000 Series, posted by Edwards! on Tue Aug 28 02:08:00 2012. But once the R-10s were removed from the A line, the A had a mix of R-38s, 40s ad 44s so there was no guarantee of getting a train with combination seating. By the way, even some of the really old passengers might remember the C types on the Fulton St el which had bowling alley seating. |
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Posted by 5119 on Tue Aug 28 15:39:29 2012, in response to Re: Eeek! Riders React to CTA 5000 Series, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Mon Aug 27 20:25:43 2012. Again, this is a tribute to the quality of railcar building the Budd Company for known for. Look at the R 32's. Just as old as the oldest Lo-V's (1916) on their last run (2/21/1964). |
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Posted by R 36 ML 9542 on Tue Aug 28 17:43:55 2012, in response to Re: Eeek! Riders React to CTA 5000 Series, posted by Edwards! on Tue Aug 28 02:08:00 2012. Any one have any pics of these new Chicago 5000 series cars? |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Aug 28 18:46:48 2012, in response to Re: Eeek! Riders React to CTA 5000 Series, posted by R 36 ML 9542 on Tue Aug 28 17:43:55 2012. The site Chicago "L".org has a lot of photos of them. Although the older 5000s have a simple yellow on black LED display, the latest of the 5000s has LED displays that so closely resemble the older curtain style roll signs that it's hard to tell the difference. It's too bad the NY MTA couldn't see its way clear to providing the same type of displays on its NTTs! |
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Posted by WillD on Sat Sep 1 02:00:04 2012, in response to Eeek! Riders React to CTA 5000 Series, posted by SLRT on Mon Aug 27 11:37:37 2012. I finally had the opportunity to grab a quick ride around the loop on a Pink line 5000 series car today and I have to say I was kind of disappointed. They are wonderfully quiet, and the interior LED displays are large and easy to read. The color LED displays make an enormous difference in the ability to discern a Pink line train from a Green Line train (especially since the Pink line trains all seem to be older, monochromatic LED display trains while the Green is a mix). But after spending the week on Purple line trains with Red line strip maps, and even the odd Brown line train with a Green Line strip map I was kind of hoping the CTA would have sprung for something like FIND, or at least a more flexible strip map system like WMATA's old arrangement. The lack of something akin to FIND, particularly when a train signed as a Red Line train will not list all Purple line stops south of Belmont, is a major and IMHO unnecessary inconvenience to passengers.Like Mr Follett I didn't find much fault with the seating arrangement. I am not much of a fan of the all-transverse seating of the other CTA stock as it makes anything more than eight standees per car a nightmare for ingress/egress, but I do wish they'd left some transverse seating between the doors and car ends. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Sep 1 02:15:31 2012, in response to Re: Eeek! Riders React to CTA 5000 Series, posted by WillD on Sat Sep 1 02:00:04 2012. What's doing in Chicago, Will? |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Sep 3 16:25:34 2012, in response to Eeek! Riders React to CTA 5000 Series, posted by SLRT on Mon Aug 27 11:37:37 2012. Are the 5000s replacing an equal number of cars, or will the size of the fleet increase? Obviously they are replacing the 2200s, but what about the 2400s? They're more than 30 years old; I remember when they were new. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Sep 3 17:02:06 2012, in response to Re: Eeek! Riders React to CTA 5000 Series, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Sep 3 16:25:34 2012. All the 2200's, 2400's, about half the 2600's, and still net about 70 more cars. |
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