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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Jul 4 04:25:01 2012, in response to LIRR plans major Penn Station makeover, posted by Gold_12TH on Wed Jul 4 02:54:35 2012. Just pissing away money. Moynihan station is never going to happen. People should just get over it. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Wed Jul 4 07:34:51 2012, in response to LIRR plans major Penn Station makeover, posted by Gold_12TH on Wed Jul 4 02:54:35 2012. So what's wrong with K-mart and fast food? The "upscale" stores at Grand Central may look nice, but they are for the most part too expensive for most people passing through to buy much at. We don't need to duplicate that at NYP. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 4 09:26:11 2012, in response to LIRR plans major Penn Station makeover, posted by Gold_12TH on Wed Jul 4 02:54:35 2012. Look back at the original Penn Station (before MSG) and compare it with we have now. Now there is progress created by politicians. A couple of million for the study and then years of inconvenience during "renovation" and in the end, you get something that is worse than before and something that couldn't be afforded in the first place.It seems that the current MTA could sell drugs and lose money. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Jul 4 10:00:51 2012, in response to LIRR plans major Penn Station makeover, posted by Gold_12TH on Wed Jul 4 02:54:35 2012. getting rid of the main train departure board in the LIRR concourse to lessen crowding thereStrongly disagree... NJT's east side concourse doesn't have a main departure board, it's still crowded. If they really want to reduce crowding, make another large area with access to most of the tracks and put a departure board there... Upgrade retail. Working its commercial real estate leasor, Vornado Realty Trust , Penn's railroads hope to lure in upscale shops and restaurants, and reorganize available space for business. Penn is not a tourist destination, upscale retail will fail miserably. The myriad of decent pizza places, newsstands and yes even the K-Mart are all far better uses of the space. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Jul 4 11:16:12 2012, in response to Re: LIRR plans major Penn Station makeover, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Jul 4 10:00:51 2012. That old taxi pull-up in the middle, which is now a police area ought to be rebuilt into something useful for passengers. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Wed Jul 4 11:16:12 2012, in response to Re: LIRR plans major Penn Station makeover, posted by Dyre Dan on Wed Jul 4 07:34:51 2012. It's not fast food. It's good food served quickly. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Jul 4 11:20:59 2012, in response to Re: LIRR plans major Penn Station makeover, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Jul 4 11:16:12 2012. Still too much $$$We dont have to go back to Chock Full of Shit or Nausea-icks, but there has to be a happy mnedium. |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Wed Jul 4 14:25:00 2012, in response to Re: LIRR plans major Penn Station makeover, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 4 09:26:11 2012. As regards Penn Station, what was done (MSG) was NOT progress. The ONE good thing that happened was Grand Central Station was NOT destroyed and the preservation of historic building and property began |
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Posted by chud1 on Wed Jul 4 15:26:27 2012, in response to Re: LIRR plans major Penn Station makeover, posted by Dan Lawrence on Wed Jul 4 14:25:00 2012. its grand central terminal.chud1 |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Wed Jul 4 16:35:30 2012, in response to Re: LIRR plans major Penn Station makeover, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 4 09:26:11 2012. It seems that the current MTA could sell drugs and lose money.Suits a city that ran OTB and lost money! |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Jul 4 17:43:30 2012, in response to Re: LIRR plans major Penn Station makeover, posted by Wado MP73 on Wed Jul 4 16:35:30 2012. MTA is a state agency. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Jul 4 18:40:53 2012, in response to LIRR plans major Penn Station makeover, posted by Gold_12TH on Wed Jul 4 02:54:35 2012. step one, demolish the3 MSG and all the other junk.step two, get the original drawings and restore the grand palace. New York deserves no less. |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Wed Jul 4 19:39:03 2012, in response to Re: LIRR plans major Penn Station makeover, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Jul 4 18:40:53 2012. Amen!! Now get the money to bring Pennsylvania Station back, probably a couple of billions. :( |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Wed Jul 4 20:31:25 2012, in response to Re: LIRR plans major Penn Station makeover, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Jul 4 18:40:53 2012. step two, get the original drawings and restore the grand palace.Let it die old man. If we're building something, it's going to be a testament to modern architecture, not some forsaken pastiche of revival architecture from "La Belle Époque". The French design modern stations for the TGV, and Berlin Hauptbahnof isn't some third rate imitation of the old station, but hands down, one of the best looking train station in the world. I am not interested in spending state money in pandering to the memories of some Baby Boomers, but I have no qualms in pushing the architecture further into the future... |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Jul 4 20:41:07 2012, in response to Re: LIRR plans major Penn Station makeover, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Jul 4 18:40:53 2012. A couple of office buildings would have to go too, but fine, and forget this Farley Post Office nonsense. |
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Posted by merrick1 on Wed Jul 4 22:10:35 2012, in response to Re: LIRR plans major Penn Station makeover, posted by Dan Lawrence on Wed Jul 4 19:39:03 2012. Madison Square Garden is spending $1 Billion on renovations. So figure more than $1 Billion just to buy out MSG. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 4 22:51:07 2012, in response to Re: LIRR plans major Penn Station makeover, posted by Wado MP73 on Wed Jul 4 16:35:30 2012. Thank David Dinkins and Hazel Dukes. The former president of the NY chapter of the NAACP ran OTB into the ground while she stole from employees. |
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Posted by Mr RT on Thu Jul 5 08:33:54 2012, in response to Re: LIRR plans major Penn Station makeover, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Jul 4 04:25:01 2012. $1.1M to just S-T-U-D-Y the renaovations ... going to be Billions & Billions before they are through :-( |
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Posted by Mr RT on Thu Jul 5 08:35:25 2012, in response to Re: LIRR plans major Penn Station makeover, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Jul 4 11:16:12 2012. When I took classes at 347 Madison I looked forward to lunching at Grand Central. |
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Posted by TERRapin station on Thu Jul 5 08:38:18 2012, in response to Re: LIRR plans major Penn Station makeover, posted by Mr RT on Thu Jul 5 08:33:54 2012. And? |
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Posted by TERRapin station on Thu Jul 5 08:39:03 2012, in response to Re: LIRR plans major Penn Station makeover, posted by Mr RT on Thu Jul 5 08:35:25 2012. Who wouldn't? |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Thu Jul 5 22:00:09 2012, in response to Re: LIRR plans major Penn Station makeover, posted by merrick1 on Wed Jul 4 22:10:35 2012. That's 3 Billion just to begin bringing back Penn Station. OUCH!!! |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Fri Jul 6 00:14:20 2012, in response to Re: LIRR plans major Penn Station makeover, posted by Dan Lawrence on Thu Jul 5 22:00:09 2012. Its not going to be easy. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Jul 6 15:32:00 2012, in response to Re: LIRR plans major Penn Station makeover, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Wed Jul 4 20:31:25 2012. Exactly:There is nothing that says a beautiful station can't be modern. As for what happened to the old one, there was little that could be done, and without MSG and the office buildings that came with the re-do, that neighborhood would have been much more dangerous, especially at night in those days. If anything, the pics I do see of the old Penn Station reflect an area that was far more deserted than the current one ever is, even late at night. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Fri Jul 6 15:42:02 2012, in response to Re: LIRR plans major Penn Station makeover, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Wed Jul 4 20:31:25 2012. I am not interested in spending state money in pandering to the memories of some Baby Boomers, but I have no qualms in pushing the architecture further into the future...It depends on the location. I am not opposed to the future of architectural design; however I am opposed when it significantly destroys a specific area. Eastern Parkway closest to GAP has one of the most grotesque, hideous and disgusting buildings ever to tarnish such a beautiful parkway, a "modern" building directly across from the Central branch of the Brooklyn Public Library with no character and no soul. This building does not blend in with the rest of the pre-war buildings, imagine constructing a building like this in Tudor City? |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Jul 6 16:08:56 2012, in response to Re: LIRR plans major Penn Station makeover, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Fri Jul 6 15:42:02 2012. There is a 1960s-era high rise in Tudor City that fits with the rest of that area just fine, but your point is well taken. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Fri Jul 6 16:13:16 2012, in response to Re: LIRR plans major Penn Station makeover, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Fri Jul 6 15:42:02 2012. As I said, I am opposed to a building where it clearly destroys an area. You be the judge of this building on Eastern Parkway. (Image courtesy of brooklynnewyorkrocks.blogspot.com) |
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Posted by Italianstallion on Fri Jul 6 23:06:41 2012, in response to Re: LIRR plans major Penn Station makeover, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 4 09:26:11 2012. It was capitalists, not politicians, who demolished the old Penn Station. |
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Posted by LA Scott on Fri Jul 6 23:20:05 2012, in response to Re: LIRR plans major Penn Station makeover, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Fri Jul 6 16:13:16 2012. I love that building at Grand Army Plaza.Most of the best parts of the city are a hodgepodge of buildings built in different eras. Neither Penn Station nor Grand Central fit into their neighborhoods when built, and both required massive demolitions to be built. Disclaimer, I live in a 4 year old building with 100 year old buildings on either side. |
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Posted by LA Scott on Fri Jul 6 23:21:56 2012, in response to Re: LIRR plans major Penn Station makeover, posted by Dyre Dan on Wed Jul 4 07:34:51 2012. When it comes to buying stuff to eat and drink while waiting for a train, I much prefer Penn to GCT. |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Fri Jul 6 23:41:51 2012, in response to Re: LIRR plans major Penn Station makeover, posted by Italianstallion on Fri Jul 6 23:06:41 2012. Thank you. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Fri Jul 6 23:48:44 2012, in response to Re: LIRR plans major Penn Station makeover, posted by LA Scott on Fri Jul 6 23:21:56 2012. Agreed. As far as places to eat, In Penn Station, I've eaten at KFC, Pizza Hut, Aunite Anne's, and Krispy Kreme.As far as what's in GCT, there's Zaro's and Junior's, but that's it, and each of those was a one-time thing. Even the forthcoming Shake Shack won't convince me to eat there. However, the products at Magnolia Bakery are tempting... The K-mart in Penn is nice too for drinks. A vending machine sells 12-ounce cans of soda for 75¢ each. The closest thing you can get in GCT for that price is about three-eighths of a 20-ounce bottle at the various Hudson News stands. |
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Posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Sat Jul 7 08:30:38 2012, in response to LIRR plans major Penn Station makeover, posted by Gold_12TH on Wed Jul 4 02:54:35 2012. I think the one thing that separates GCT from Penn, is that GCT is a pure commuter station, where Penn, of course, has Amtrak in it. I bet Penn handles three times the foot traffic that GCT does in a course of a day. And the people riding Amtrak to Washington...Albany and beyond needs portable food, where the typical GCT commuter probably has a ride of less than an hour - and that bottle of Coke or water and a bag of chips from Hudson News works for them.And lets not start getting into the socioeconomic differences between your MetroNorth/NH commuter, and those using LIRR/NJT... |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Jul 7 10:49:39 2012, in response to Re: LIRR plans major Penn Station makeover, posted by LA Scott on Fri Jul 6 23:21:56 2012. If it weren't for the fact that greasy Reesey is the franchisee for 80% of NYPs eateries I would agree with you. Only McD's, Starbucks, AuBon pain, Jambas Juice and Hot and Crusty are not part of greasy reesey. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Jul 9 13:10:54 2012, in response to Re: LIRR plans major Penn Station makeover, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Fri Jul 6 16:13:16 2012. It's certainly a new building, but that's more of a sign of how many of those neighborhoods are improving after years of problems in many cases.There are others where new construction does change things, and not always for the better, but what happened with the old Penn Station to me isn't the case because as far as I'm concerned, it prevented what could have become in the 1970's and '80s a FAR bigger problem than the one it had thanks to crime becoming what it would become for example. |
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