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Re: Tenafly, NJ mayor vows resistance to Hudson-Bergen Light Rail extenstion plan |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jan 26 12:38:55 2012, in response to Re: Tenafly, NJ mayor vows resistance to Hudson-Bergen Light Rail extenstion plan, posted by Joe V on Wed Jan 25 16:35:41 2012. They can't run south of Union City since there's a station in the tunnel that would probably require massive upgrades to it's ventilation system to use DMU's. Any extension northward has to be electrified. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jan 26 12:40:26 2012, in response to Re: Tenafly, NJ mayor vows resistance to Hudson-Bergen Light Rail extension plan, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jan 25 14:11:00 2012. He's right. The see Englewood going black and don't want them moving north. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jan 26 12:53:32 2012, in response to Re: Tenafly, NJ mayor vows resistance to Hudson-Bergen Light Rail extension plan, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jan 26 12:40:26 2012. There are plenty of buses for them to move north in, no shortage of them, as well as automobiles. A train or trolley has nothing to do with it. |
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Re: Tenafly, NJ mayor vows resistance to Hudson-Bergen Light Rail extenstion plan |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jan 26 12:59:39 2012, in response to Re: Tenafly, NJ mayor vows resistance to Hudson-Bergen Light Rail extenstion plan, posted by Joe V on Wed Jan 25 16:35:41 2012. Into Hoboken via the former Northern Branch. The state seems to not know how to use the Bergen Arches; run those trains through there to East End instead of building more highway lanes into the Holland Tunnel. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jan 26 13:01:30 2012, in response to Re: Tenafly, NJ mayor vows resistance to Hudson-Bergen Light Rail extenstion plan, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Thu Jan 26 11:05:27 2012. That's nonsense. The RVL runs through several varying demographic areas as well. The HBLR's costs per unit length (for building on an existing right of way, remember) are four times that of building a new high-speed right of way in France, FCOL. |
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Posted by The Silence on Thu Jan 26 13:21:01 2012, in response to Re:I hate HTML and I hate my keyboard, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Thu Jan 26 11:04:24 2012. Love to, when I'm not so pissed off that I'm in a mood to hit Rockparkjackass over the head with a selgehammer for being a dick to me for no reason. |
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Re: [NIMBY] Tenafly, NJ mayor vows resistance to Hudson-Bergen Light Rail extenstion plan |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Jan 26 14:57:48 2012, in response to Re: [NIMBY] Tenafly, NJ mayor vows resistance to Hudson-Bergen Light Rail extenstion plan, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Wed Jan 25 12:48:10 2012. YUP...I looked at it too..and saw exactly what you saw.More NIMBY protecting their town from "the Invasion/Infestation" of those people.. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Jan 26 14:59:47 2012, in response to Re: Tenafly, NJ mayor vows resistance to Hudson-Bergen Light Rail extension plan, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jan 26 12:40:26 2012. true indeed..though you dont need LRT to accomplish that by any means..The thing here is people need to say whats on their minds so we can deal with it directly,instead of this undercover shit. |
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Tenafly hearing on Bergen County light rail expansion draws capacity crowd opposed to project {Maps} |
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Posted by Gold_12TH on Thu Jan 26 15:32:08 2012, in response to [NIMBY] Tenafly, NJ mayor vows resistance to Hudson-Bergen Light Rail extenstion plan, posted by Gold_12TH on Tue Jan 24 17:06:31 2012. Police Chief Michael Bruno says he finally knows the meaning of the phrase, "We're getting railroaded."Bruno was one of many municipal officials and residents to voice opposition to the proposed extension of the Hudson-Bergen Light Rail line into Bergen County at a packed hearing Tuesday night. Plans were announced in December to extend the line, which currently terminates in North Bergen in Hudson County, into the eastern parts of Bergen County. The project, which is still in search of funding, has been a cause for celebration and concern for communities along the proposed route. NJ Transit held the first two of four hearings on the plan — which put forth two proposals, one that would terminate in Englewood and the other, "preferred" alternative that would end in Tenafly — right in the heart of opposition to the project. Tenafly residents, who made clear their opposition in a 2010 referendum, ticked off a litany of issues with the project, from its impacts on parking and traffic to public safety concerns and issues with how the Draft Environmental Impact Statement (DEIS) — essentially NJ Transit's initial version of the expansion proposal — was prepared. Bruno expressed frustration with the process by which the DEIS was prepared, claiming that he was told his questions at previous hearings would be addressed, but that NJ Transit officials had not fulfilled their promise to work with municipal officials. He cited a number of issues acknowledged by the DEIS that aren't answered with clear mitigation strategies. For example, he said the DEIS makes clear that increased railroad crossings will effect the ability of emergency vehicles to move efficiently through town. "Anybody that lives on the east side of town is potentially looking at a delayed response from police cars, fire trucks and ambulances," Bruno said. "Who on Earth would find this an acceptable trade off for a ride to North Bergen?" NJ Transit representative Jeff Stiles told the crowd prior to Bruno's remarks that emergency vehicles could be equipped with devices that would allow them to communicate with train operators, and that first responders would be given priority at train crossings. Opponents in Tenafly argue that the project impacts their community negatively in ways that it doesn't in other towns. Most notably, they say the tracks would cut right through the town's business district, essentially bisecting the community, whereas in other towns the tracks run along the western edge. "It would not be good for Tenafly, we cannot support the preferred alternative," Tenafly Mayor Peter Rustin told NJ.com in an interview. "But we have no problem with it going to Rt. 4, which would be their second alternative." "It's not a matter of, 'We don't want it in our town,' it's not a matter of us being elitist," Rustin said. "This would really have a tremendously negative impact on our community." Warren Vincentz, a councilman in Ridgefield, which would be the first stop on the extended line, was one of the few voices in favor of the project at the Tenafly hearing. "I want to share with you that just as you have all these people out here tonight, all this support against it, we have twice as much in Ridgefield in support of it," Vincentz told the crowd. "Because we want the light rail." Vincentz urged opponents of the project to at least support the alternate route, which would terminate just south of Tenafly in Englewood. Two more hearings are scheduled for Thursday at 3 p.m. and 7 p.m. at the Crowne Plaza Englewood Hotel. John R. Durso, Jr., a spokesman for NJ Transit, told NJ.com he expected to hear more testimony in support of the project at the Englewood hearings. "We've found that opinions have varied throughout the routes," Durso said. "We've heard opinions here tonight in Tenafly that differ greatly from a number of communities throughout the entire corridor. But we're here to listen." Additional hearings scheduled: Two more hearings on the extension of the Hudson-Bergen Light Rail line will be held in Englewood at 3 p.m. and 7 p.m. on Thursday, Jan. 26, at the Crowe Plaza Englewood Hotel, located at 401 S. Van Brunt Street. --- http://www.nj.com/bergen/index.ssf/2012/01/tenafly_hearing_on_bergen_county_light_rail_expansion_draws_capacity_crowd_opposed_to_project.html A map provided by NJ Transit shows the proposed course of the extension.    NJ Transit displayed two alternative plans. The "preferred" plan would extend to the northern end of Tenafly. The alternative would terminate in Englewood. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Thu Jan 26 17:12:02 2012, in response to Re:I hate HTML and I hate my keyboard, posted by The Silence on Thu Jan 26 13:21:01 2012. Then you've got other issues besides dyslexia. |
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Re: Tenafly, NJ mayor vows resistance to Hudson-Bergen Light Rail extension plan |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Thu Jan 26 17:13:23 2012, in response to Re: Tenafly, NJ mayor vows resistance to Hudson-Bergen Light Rail extension plan, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jan 26 13:01:30 2012. But they're not protesting it because of the cost. They're protesting it because it will come to their town. The money argument is irrelevant in this instance. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Thu Jan 26 17:39:06 2012, in response to Re: Tenafly, NJ mayor vows resistance to Hudson-Bergen Light Rail extension plan, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jan 26 12:53:32 2012. A POP system will make it easier, both in and out. That may be their worries. |
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Re: Tenafly hearing on Bergen County light rail expansion draws capacity crowd opposed to project {Maps} |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Jan 26 19:17:08 2012, in response to Tenafly hearing on Bergen County light rail expansion draws capacity crowd opposed to project {Maps}, posted by Gold_12TH on Thu Jan 26 15:32:08 2012. Most notably, they say the tracks would cut right through the town's business district, essentially bisecting the community, whereas in other towns the tracks run along the western edge.Oh my, transit service through the CBD. There's the death knell for businesses right there. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jan 26 19:47:15 2012, in response to Tenafly hearing on Bergen County light rail expansion draws capacity crowd opposed to project {Maps}, posted by Gold_12TH on Thu Jan 26 15:32:08 2012. I'd rather see the West Shore commuter rail done first, although I'd like to see what their projected costs are. |
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Posted by JohnnyMints on Thu Jan 26 23:23:03 2012, in response to Re: Tenafly, NJ mayor vows resistance to Hudson-Bergen Light Rail extension plan, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jan 26 13:01:30 2012. Yes but the Raritan Valley Line (what's left of it) has been running through those areas all along, with no break in service. Had it been lying dormant since the 1960's and they were trying to reactivate passenger service I'm willing to bet it'd be a completely different story. Cranford and Westfield would have a crap fit with a train stopping in their towns that also stopped in Plainfield, Dunellen and Bound Brook. |
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Posted by JohnnyMints on Thu Jan 26 23:24:35 2012, in response to Re: Tenafly, NJ mayor vows resistance to Hudson-Bergen Light Rail extension plan, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jan 26 12:40:26 2012. Englewood has been "black" for quite some time, nothing new there. It's also been quite wealthy for quite some time.The same can be said of Teaneck and Hackensack. |
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Re: Tenafly hearing on Bergen County light rail expansion draws capacity crowd opposed to project {Maps} |
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Posted by JohnnyMints on Thu Jan 26 23:27:02 2012, in response to Re: Tenafly hearing on Bergen County light rail expansion draws capacity crowd opposed to project {Maps}, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Jan 26 19:17:08 2012. Yeah seriously. I wonder if they'd rather have a six lane expressway down the middle of their town.Oh yeah and btw... THE TRACKS ARE ALREADY THERE AND HAVE BEEN THERE AND ALREADY "BISECT" THE TOWN!!! |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jan 26 23:31:12 2012, in response to Re: Tenafly hearing on Bergen County light rail expansion draws capacity crowd opposed to project {Maps}, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jan 26 19:47:15 2012. CSX will fight it to the death. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jan 27 00:08:38 2012, in response to Re: Tenafly hearing on Bergen County light rail expansion draws capacity crowd opposed to project {Maps}, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jan 26 23:31:12 2012. CSX is almost dead itself. Wonder how much fight it'll have eventually? They've got less of an argument to resist this than for the Lehigh Line between Hunter and Aldene. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Jan 27 01:15:30 2012, in response to Re: Tenafly, NJ mayor vows resistance to Hudson-Bergen Light Rail extension plan, posted by JohnnyMints on Thu Jan 26 23:24:35 2012. not surprising.. |
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Posted by UTC Bus Roster on Fri Jan 27 09:45:34 2012, in response to Re: Tenafly, NJ mayor vows resistance to Hudson-Bergen Light Rail extenstion plan, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jan 26 12:37:25 2012. I support any light-rail project that reduces the number of cars on the roads. Also, the DMUs pollute. That's why the light-rail is the best idea.I hate NIMBYs! They've killed many rail projects over the years! I say build the extension of the HBLR! Screw the NIMBYs!!! If they don't like it, nobody is forcing them to stay! MOVE, NIMBY bastards!!! |
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Re: Tenafly hearing on Bergen County light rail expansion draws capacity crowd opposed to project {Maps} |
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Posted by UTC Bus Roster on Fri Jan 27 09:59:12 2012, in response to Re: Tenafly hearing on Bergen County light rail expansion draws capacity crowd opposed to project {Maps}, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jan 26 19:47:15 2012. I support the West Shore Commuter rail too. People haven't had any rail service since the New York Central RR shut down all passenger service around 1959. They claimed "lack of ridership," but they purposely eliminated the ferry service from Manhattan to the West Shore terminal in Weehawken. If people can't get to the train, then ridership drops, making it seem like dwindling ridership!There is definitely a market for passenger service restoration on the West Shore. The West Shore originally went from Weehawken, NJ to Albany, with a branch at Kingston that went to Oneonta. The New York Ontario also used their tracks for the southern part of their trip until their demise in 1957. FYI, I am selling New York Central "West Shore" timetables on ebay, as well as many other divisions, including the long-gone Putnam Division, which ceased on May 29, 1958. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jan 27 13:14:50 2012, in response to Re: Tenafly hearing on Bergen County light rail expansion draws capacity crowd opposed to project {Maps}, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jan 27 00:08:38 2012. They inherited that situation and MUST honor NJT's trackage rights. No such obligation exists on the West Shore. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jan 27 13:18:35 2012, in response to Re: Tenafly, NJ mayor vows resistance to Hudson-Bergen Light Rail extension plan, posted by JohnnyMints on Thu Jan 26 23:24:35 2012. And Tenafly is right on that border. There's a reason why no significant service restoration north of Tenafly has ever been discussed, and it's not population density.I don't know why NJT wants to fight this fight when simply cutting the line back to Englewood would NOT put the project at risk. Unlike other NIMBY fights, it doesn't put the whole project at risk. The idiots in Jamesburg and Red Bank put the whole MOM thing at risk, it's just a different situation. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Jan 27 13:25:11 2012, in response to [NIMBY] Tenafly, NJ mayor vows resistance to Hudson-Bergen Light Rail extenstion plan, posted by Gold_12TH on Tue Jan 24 17:06:31 2012. While I don't live or work in the area, I'd say this opposition is pretty short-sighted. Expanding ther HBLR could take a lot of cars off the road, and I bet would ultimately benefit the business community, despite some short-term pain. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Fri Jan 27 13:57:47 2012, in response to Re: Tenafly hearing on Bergen County light rail expansion draws capacity crowd opposed to project {Maps}, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jan 27 00:08:38 2012. CSX is not anywhere close to death. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Jan 27 17:13:39 2012, in response to Re: Tenafly hearing on Bergen County light rail expansion draws capacity crowd opposed to project {Maps}, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jan 27 00:08:38 2012. CSX is doing just fine financially, and is under no obligation to anyone to host a passenger train to anyone on that line. There is also a tunnel cleared for doublestack by shifting the remaining track to the center on the former double-track right of way. |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Fri Jan 27 17:17:41 2012, in response to Re: Tenafly hearing on Bergen County light rail expansion draws capacity crowd opposed to project {Maps}, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jan 27 00:08:38 2012. Now that that Snow idiot's been gone awhile, Michael Ward has CSX doing OK. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 28 15:14:00 2012, in response to Re: Tenafly, NJ mayor vows resistance to Hudson-Bergen Light Rail extension plan, posted by JohnnyMints on Thu Jan 26 23:23:03 2012. No, that's a canard; they could limit rail service stopping in their towns if that was such an issue. They also have the 59 and 113 buses going through that run mostly parallel to the RVL. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Jan 28 15:35:39 2012, in response to Re: Tenafly, NJ mayor vows resistance to Hudson-Bergen Light Rail extension plan, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 28 15:14:00 2012. 59 is the old PS 49-trolley113 was Somerset Bus line that once competed with the CNJ. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 28 15:43:36 2012, in response to Re: Tenafly, NJ mayor vows resistance to Hudson-Bergen Light Rail extension plan, posted by Joe V on Sat Jan 28 15:35:39 2012. And the 49 used to go to Bound Brook, even for a long while after having been converted to bus. When I still lived in Elizabeth NJ, the old route 49 trolley tracks would sometimes be exposed whenever road work was done on West Jersey Street and/or Jersey Avenue; I sometimes wonder if it really would have been all that expensive to keep the road/trolley infrastructure as it was instead of making a mad dash to convert to buses . . . |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Jan 28 15:46:59 2012, in response to Re: Tenafly, NJ mayor vows resistance to Hudson-Bergen Light Rail extension plan, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 28 15:43:36 2012. At Bound Brook, there was a trolley to Raritan, and another that went to New Brunswick. Bound Brook was also served by the B&O, RDG, & LV. |
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