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The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings |
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Posted by Neil Feldman on Mon Aug 8 21:22:46 2011 Formerly 9892 renumbered 9945-46 rests on the east end of a 12 car M3 set in Ronkonkoma Yard taken through the fence. Set came in that Friday as Train 2058 which is usually crowded, so M3's are the usual on Summer Friday's:
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Re: The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Aug 8 22:55:23 2011, in response to The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings, posted by Neil Feldman on Mon Aug 8 21:22:46 2011. Quite a catch!! In a way nice, in a way spooky!! Just like when I both worked, and shot photos of, R40M 4460/R42 4665, each ones mate destroyed in the Williamsburg Bridge wreck in 1995 involving motorman Leyton Gibson. |
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Re: The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings |
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Posted by Neil Feldman on Mon Aug 8 23:00:50 2011, in response to Re: The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Aug 8 22:55:23 2011. Whew! |
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Re: The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Aug 8 23:02:10 2011, in response to The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings, posted by Neil Feldman on Mon Aug 8 21:22:46 2011. I remember being told by an instructor during refresher training, back in 1996 (!) that "the Colin Ferguson cars were destroyed by the LIRR". I always suspected this was the MTA's line to the victims' families, and that the cars in question were actually repaired, cleaned, and renumbered. This pic confirms that...thanks! |
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Re: The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Aug 8 23:50:06 2011, in response to Re: The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Aug 8 23:02:10 2011. The cars were ordered held out of service as evidence for the trials, appeals and the inevitable lawsuits. Rumor had it that the LIRR took all of the bullet riddled seats and panels + the car numbers and put them into a pair that was due to be scrapped. They repaired the actual cars and released them back into service under the current numbers... |
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Re: The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings |
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Posted by BigBusDriver on Tue Aug 9 01:02:29 2011, in response to The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings, posted by Neil Feldman on Mon Aug 8 21:22:46 2011. Excellent catch and even excellenter ( like THAT'S a word!) picture! Bravo! |
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Re: The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings |
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Posted by arnine on Tue Aug 9 05:43:09 2011, in response to The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings, posted by Neil Feldman on Mon Aug 8 21:22:46 2011. Nice pic :) sad cars :( |
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...and the Goetz car (Re: The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings) |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue Aug 9 08:06:49 2011, in response to Re: The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings, posted by Train Dude on Mon Aug 8 23:50:06 2011. Yet they didn't preserve the (R21?) car involved in the Goetz shooting, not even for trial. When Slotnick took the jurors into a Redbird for them to "experience" the scene, the original car was already scrapped, or so they said. |
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Re: ...and the Goetz car (Re: The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings) |
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Posted by subfan on Tue Aug 9 08:40:09 2011, in response to ...and the Goetz car (Re: The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings), posted by SLRT on Tue Aug 9 08:06:49 2011. I don't think it was scrapped; I remember that it was in work service when the jury was taken there.subfan |
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Re: The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Aug 9 08:47:37 2011, in response to Re: The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings, posted by Train Dude on Mon Aug 8 23:50:06 2011. I don't know that any of the bullet holes made it to steel of fiberglass. I was under the impression that all of the shots fired by Goetz ended up where he intended them to end up. |
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Re: ...and the Goetz car (Re: The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings) |
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Posted by Stef on Tue Aug 9 09:16:11 2011, in response to ...and the Goetz car (Re: The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings), posted by SLRT on Tue Aug 9 08:06:49 2011. I believe this is the car in question: -Stef |
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Re: The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Aug 9 09:51:51 2011, in response to Re: The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings, posted by Train Dude on Tue Aug 9 08:47:37 2011. Two shots went out the windows, after passing through their intended targets. The Transit Police did account for every round Goetz fired. |
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Re: ...and the Goetz car (Re: The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings) |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue Aug 9 10:40:10 2011, in response to Re: ...and the Goetz car (Re: The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings), posted by Stef on Tue Aug 9 09:16:11 2011. OK, I don't doubt it, but I'm surprised that, as a crime scene, they didn't preserve it intact until after the trial. |
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Re: ...and the Goetz car (Re: The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings) |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 9 11:24:42 2011, in response to Re: ...and the Goetz car (Re: The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings), posted by SLRT on Tue Aug 9 10:40:10 2011. Crime scenes aren't preserved throughout trials, they are preserved just long enough for them to be processed. |
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Re: ...and the Goetz car (Re: The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings) |
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Posted by arnine on Tue Aug 9 13:21:19 2011, in response to Re: ...and the Goetz car (Re: The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 9 11:24:42 2011. Agreed. Though sometimes, if law enforcement has the luxury they will preserve a crime scene, but that is rare that they have that luxury. |
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Re: ...and the Goetz car (Re: The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings) |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue Aug 9 13:34:28 2011, in response to Re: ...and the Goetz car (Re: The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings), posted by arnine on Tue Aug 9 13:21:19 2011. Well, this was a crime scene that could have been preserved by storing it on a non-powered siding. |
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Re: ...and the Goetz car (Re: The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings) |
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Posted by arnine on Tue Aug 9 13:37:50 2011, in response to Re: ...and the Goetz car (Re: The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings), posted by SLRT on Tue Aug 9 13:34:28 2011. Yes, but at that time I am not sure had enough cars to make service remember it was during the period of deferred maintenance IINM |
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Re: ...and the Goetz car (Re: The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings) |
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Posted by chud1 on Tue Aug 9 14:07:21 2011, in response to Re: ...and the Goetz car (Re: The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings), posted by arnine on Tue Aug 9 13:37:50 2011. why did da pd not order da mta their were taking da car to investigate or just hijack it?chud1 |
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Re: ...and the Goetz car (Re: The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings) |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 9 14:12:30 2011, in response to Re: ...and the Goetz car (Re: The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings), posted by arnine on Tue Aug 9 13:37:50 2011. I believe every MU was badly needed back then. |
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Re: ...and the Goetz car (Re: The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings) |
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Posted by The Silence on Tue Aug 9 14:15:21 2011, in response to ...and the Goetz car (Re: The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings), posted by SLRT on Tue Aug 9 08:06:49 2011. you secure a crime sceen only as long as nessisary to collect evidence. holding it too long could be seen as a "taking" of what ever the scence consists of.the Manhattan DA's office now has a modle of a car for tiral purposes 
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Re: ...and the Goetz car (Re: The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings) |
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Posted by arnine on Tue Aug 9 14:23:51 2011, in response to Re: ...and the Goetz car (Re: The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings), posted by chud1 on Tue Aug 9 14:07:21 2011. Lack of equipment. NYPD likely processed it and then released it. |
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Re: ...and the Goetz car (Re: The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings) |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Tue Aug 9 20:07:16 2011, in response to Re: ...and the Goetz car (Re: The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings), posted by arnine on Tue Aug 9 14:23:51 2011. you mean ncpd,right? |
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Re: ...and the Goetz car (Re: The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings) |
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Posted by arnine on Tue Aug 9 20:34:35 2011, in response to Re: ...and the Goetz car (Re: The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings), posted by tunnelrat on Tue Aug 9 20:07:16 2011. ncpd? I thought NYCTPD deferred to NYPD on this case, but I can be wrong it has been awhile. To correct my statement: Lack of equipment. *The police agency likely processed it and then released it. |
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Re: ...and the Goetz car (Re: The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings) |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Tue Aug 9 20:37:36 2011, in response to Re: ...and the Goetz car (Re: The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings), posted by arnine on Tue Aug 9 20:34:35 2011. sorry.I missread it as the collin furgerson car. |
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Re: ...and the Goetz car (Re: The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings) |
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Posted by arnine on Tue Aug 9 20:43:28 2011, in response to Re: ...and the Goetz car (Re: The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings), posted by tunnelrat on Tue Aug 9 20:37:36 2011. No problem it happens :) |
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Re: The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings |
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Posted by Neil Feldman on Tue Aug 9 22:09:23 2011, in response to Re: The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings, posted by BigBusDriver on Tue Aug 9 01:02:29 2011. Thank You! |
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Re: ...and the Goetz car (Re: The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings) |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Aug 10 04:46:25 2011, in response to Re: ...and the Goetz car (Re: The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings), posted by chud1 on Tue Aug 9 14:07:21 2011. Why does chud choose to use "da" instead of the correct "the"?Live from do conner of thoidy toid and toid. Give it a rest |
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Re: ...and the Goetz car (Re: The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings) |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Aug 10 04:51:02 2011, in response to Re: ...and the Goetz car (Re: The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings), posted by arnine on Tue Aug 9 20:34:35 2011. Until it's demise, a number of years ago. The NYC Transit police was the 7th largest police force in the USA. Independent of the NYPD. Since then.....meh. Ask Ray Kelly, he was once head of the Transit Police. |
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Re: ...and the Goetz car (Re: The Car from The Colin Ferguson Killings) |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Aug 10 05:14:57 2011, in response to Re: ...and the Goetz car (Re: The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings), posted by The Silence on Tue Aug 9 14:15:21 2011. You really ought to consider sleeping on a dictionary OR learn to use a spell checker.LOL @ image. |
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Re: ...and the Goetz car (Re: The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings) |
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Posted by chud1 on Wed Aug 10 05:58:13 2011, in response to Re: ...and the Goetz car (Re: The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings), posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Aug 10 04:46:25 2011. as a 7th generation American and New Yorker thats how we say the.chud1 |
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Re: ...and the Goetz car (Re: The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings) |
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Posted by arnine on Wed Aug 10 06:22:40 2011, in response to Re: ...and the Goetz car (Re: The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings), posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Aug 10 04:51:02 2011. Yes. I remember that and also remember Ray Kelly as their head. But, on this case I thought NYPD investigated I can be wrong it has been awhile. Either processed and released.Interestingly enough Ray Kelly's son Greg is a co-anchor on Good Day NY and Ray Kelly appears every so often and during one interview I believe he mentioned his time at NYCTPD and TBH I wish NYCTPD still was around. |
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Re: ...and the Goetz car (Re: The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings) |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Aug 10 06:35:42 2011, in response to Re: ...and the Goetz car (Re: The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings), posted by arnine on Wed Aug 10 06:22:40 2011. I can be wrong Yes, quite often you ARE very wrong. |
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Re: ...and the Goetz car (Re: The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings) |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Aug 10 07:05:04 2011, in response to Re: ...and the Goetz car (Re: The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings), posted by chud1 on Wed Aug 10 05:58:13 2011. uh huh |
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Re: ...and the Goetz car (Re: The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings) |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Aug 10 07:10:38 2011, in response to Re: ...and the Goetz car (Re: The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings), posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Aug 10 06:35:42 2011. smh |
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Re: ...and the Goetz car (Re: The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings) |
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Posted by Railman718 on Wed Aug 10 07:22:43 2011, in response to Re: ...and the Goetz car (Re: The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings), posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Aug 10 07:10:38 2011. He whines when he gets E-Kicked.. It must s**k being him. |
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Re: ...and the Goetz car (Re: The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings) |
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Posted by arnine on Wed Aug 10 10:14:35 2011, in response to Re: ...and the Goetz car (Re: The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings), posted by Railman718 on Wed Aug 10 07:22:43 2011. Agreed |
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Re: ...and the Goetz car (Re: The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings) |
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Posted by BigBusDriver on Wed Aug 10 10:35:38 2011, in response to Re: ...and the Goetz car (Re: The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings), posted by arnine on Wed Aug 10 10:14:35 2011. Is there a little mouse squeaking in this thread?STILL LOL@BREE-ANNE |
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Re: ...and the Goetz car (Re: The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings) |
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Posted by Railman718 on Wed Aug 10 10:38:52 2011, in response to Re: ...and the Goetz car (Re: The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings), posted by BigBusDriver on Wed Aug 10 10:35:38 2011. Basically... |
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Re: ...and the Goetz car (Re: The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings) |
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Posted by arnine on Wed Aug 10 10:52:20 2011, in response to Re: ...and the Goetz car (Re: The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings), posted by BigBusDriver on Wed Aug 10 10:35:38 2011. Yup |
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Re: ...and the Goetz car (Re: The Car from The Colin Ferguson Killings) |
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Posted by The Silence on Wed Aug 10 13:02:45 2011, in response to Re: ...and the Goetz car (Re: The Car from The Colin Ferguson Killings), posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Aug 10 05:14:57 2011. I'm dislexic... |
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Re: The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings |
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Posted by Neil Feldman on Thu Aug 11 23:24:53 2011, in response to Re: The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings, posted by Train Dude on Mon Aug 8 23:50:06 2011. Correct, I was pointed out once that compared to the other M3 pairs, there is a very distinctive clean, and deodorized smell to it a couple of years ago. Another friend of mine told me the other day while on the Port Washington Branch that same pair had a brake issue on it, and was sent back to Hillside for repair. |
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Plaque At Merillon Ave? (Re: The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings) |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Fri Aug 12 10:53:55 2011, in response to The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings, posted by Neil Feldman on Mon Aug 8 21:22:46 2011. Speaking of Colin Ferguson, I read somewhere that the MTA erected a memorial plaque at the Merillon Avenue station to honor those who were killed and wounded there by this maniac. I have not been able to find it. Is there a plaque there? If not, was there ever one, and where was it? |
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Re: Plaque At Merillon Ave? (Re: The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings) |
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Posted by Neil Feldman on Sun Aug 14 20:57:07 2011, in response to Plaque At Merillon Ave? (Re: The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings), posted by Mitch45 on Fri Aug 12 10:53:55 2011. Next time I'm there, I have to find it! |
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Re: Plaque At Merillon Ave? (Re: The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings) |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Sun Aug 14 21:01:18 2011, in response to Re: Plaque At Merillon Ave? (Re: The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings), posted by Neil Feldman on Sun Aug 14 20:57:07 2011. Let me know where it is, if you can. |
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Re: ...and the Goetz car (Re: The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings) |
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Posted by Q4 on Mon Aug 15 14:54:51 2011, in response to Re: ...and the Goetz car (Re: The Car from The Colin Fergussin Killings), posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Aug 10 04:51:02 2011. Ray Kelly was never the head of the Transit Police. You are thinking of Bill Bratton, wwho headed the Transit Police for a couple of years, left and went back to Boston and then came back here to head the NYPD under Guliani. Bratton was the NYPD Commissioner when the Transit and Housing Departments were merged into the NYPD. |
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