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(PHOTOS) R32 (H) Rockaway pk Shuttle |
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Posted by R32_3671 on Sat Jul 23 23:22:03 2011 Here are the Photos:       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o4OjIdnHBU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2nmU_siY1E |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Jul 23 23:49:33 2011, in response to (PHOTOS) R32 (H) Rockaway pk Shuttle, posted by R32_3671 on Sat Jul 23 23:22:03 2011. Very nice photos |
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Posted by R32_3671 on Sat Jul 23 23:53:12 2011, in response to Re: (PHOTOS) R32 (H) Rockaway pk Shuttle, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Jul 23 23:49:33 2011. thanks |
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Posted by monorail on Sun Jul 24 01:04:40 2011, in response to (PHOTOS) R32 (H) Rockaway pk Shuttle, posted by R32_3671 on Sat Jul 23 23:22:03 2011. excellent! |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Jul 24 02:33:18 2011, in response to (PHOTOS) R32 (H) Rockaway pk Shuttle, posted by R32_3671 on Sat Jul 23 23:22:03 2011. Via JFK Airport, that is quite a detour... ;-) |
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Posted by insidetransitcom on Sun Jul 24 03:44:36 2011, in response to (PHOTOS) R32 (H) Rockaway pk Shuttle, posted by R32_3671 on Sat Jul 23 23:22:03 2011. cool photos |
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Posted by arnine on Sun Jul 24 07:33:47 2011, in response to (PHOTOS) R32 (H) Rockaway pk Shuttle, posted by R32_3671 on Sat Jul 23 23:22:03 2011. Nice work :) |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jul 24 08:30:41 2011, in response to (PHOTOS) R32 (H) Rockaway pk Shuttle, posted by R32_3671 on Sat Jul 23 23:22:03 2011. Hahahhaha, "Rockaway Park via JFK Airport"..... |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Sun Jul 24 09:43:25 2011, in response to Re: (PHOTOS) R32 (H) Rockaway pk Shuttle, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jul 24 08:30:41 2011. I wonder if those newer roll signs have the round-robin shuttle as the south destination.If yes, would it say?: The Rockaways Queens the old way or The Rockaways via JFK Airport |
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Posted by 15 BEECHHURST on Sun Jul 24 10:24:16 2011, in response to Re: (PHOTOS) R32 (H) Rockaway pk Shuttle, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Jul 24 02:33:18 2011. I was looking for that comment before posting myself. From time to time we seem to comment on 'fantasy' routings and I guess this might qualify? |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sun Jul 24 10:50:08 2011, in response to (PHOTOS) R32 (H) Rockaway pk Shuttle, posted by R32_3671 on Sat Jul 23 23:22:03 2011. I was going to ask whether any of the crews had the temerity to sign up front as "H" and I see at least one did! Good show and nice pics!-wayne- |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Sun Jul 24 11:06:05 2011, in response to Re: (PHOTOS) R32 (H) Rockaway pk Shuttle, posted by Wado MP73 on Sun Jul 24 09:43:25 2011. Nope. They don't have it. |
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Posted by R32_3671 on Sun Jul 24 11:11:18 2011, in response to Re: (PHOTOS) R32 (H) Rockaway pk Shuttle, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sun Jul 24 10:50:08 2011. they all had H on the rollsigns |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jul 24 12:37:00 2011, in response to (PHOTOS) R32 (H) Rockaway pk Shuttle, posted by R32_3671 on Sat Jul 23 23:22:03 2011. Are these all the units with broken HVAC? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jul 24 12:40:38 2011, in response to Re: (PHOTOS) R32 (H) Rockaway pk Shuttle, posted by Wado MP73 on Sun Jul 24 09:43:25 2011. The new rollsigns all have the Rockaway destinations with "via JFK Airport" on the southern destination roll to ease confusion after the Airtrain opened.Why aren't they running to Euclid? |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sun Jul 24 12:44:52 2011, in response to (PHOTOS) R32 (H) Rockaway pk Shuttle, posted by R32_3671 on Sat Jul 23 23:22:03 2011. Great photos! I always loved the Brightliner R-32's and wished they had doubled the original order for these beautiful cars! |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Sun Jul 24 13:44:41 2011, in response to Re: (PHOTOS) R32 (H) Rockaway pk Shuttle, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jul 24 12:40:38 2011. Why aren't they running to Euclid?I could almost make a top ten list to that... :D They now have a proper siding to turn the shuttle at BC Too much service between Euclid and BC The Far Rock A is running The crew doesn't want to see imaginary boundaries More trains, more crews. Waste of money Airport and beach goers? Let them have cakes! It's a PITA to turn the shuttle at Euclid when the C's running The MTA simply doesn't care :p |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Sun Jul 24 13:46:42 2011, in response to Re: (PHOTOS) R32 (H) Rockaway pk Shuttle, posted by R36 #9346 on Sun Jul 24 11:06:05 2011. :( They now probably don't have Euclid as a north terminal on the roll signs either then. (I could have added that to the top ten list) |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Jul 24 14:05:21 2011, in response to Re: (PHOTOS) R32 (H) Rockaway pk Shuttle, posted by Wado MP73 on Sun Jul 24 13:44:41 2011. R32s can't go to Euclid as a north term (no "Euclid Ave." north-term roll signs). For that matter, I don't think R68s can, either, for the same reason, but I could be wrong about that... |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Sun Jul 24 15:15:04 2011, in response to Re: (PHOTOS) R32 (H) Rockaway pk Shuttle, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Jul 24 14:05:21 2011. Yeah, I noticed that while replying to R36 #9346. Now we need one more to make ten. :) |
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Posted by joe c on Sun Jul 24 15:46:18 2011, in response to Re: (PHOTOS) R32 (H) Rockaway pk Shuttle, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jul 24 12:37:00 2011. They wouldn't even be on the road if they had broken HVAC's.til next time |
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Posted by Neil Feldman on Sun Jul 24 16:26:17 2011, in response to (PHOTOS) R32 (H) Rockaway pk Shuttle, posted by R32_3671 on Sat Jul 23 23:22:03 2011. This is something we don't get to see that much of anymore of that! Very nice photos! |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Jul 24 17:06:00 2011, in response to Re: (PHOTOS) R32 (H) Rockaway pk Shuttle, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sun Jul 24 10:50:08 2011. Oh no, it's Heaving Harry! |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jul 24 17:57:58 2011, in response to Re: (PHOTOS) R32 (H) Rockaway pk Shuttle, posted by Elkeeper on Sun Jul 24 12:44:52 2011. Even in those days it cost money. It was a 600 car order after all, a lot of cars. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jul 24 18:00:12 2011, in response to Re: (PHOTOS) R32 (H) Rockaway pk Shuttle, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jul 24 12:40:38 2011. They weren't running to Euclid because you'd need more crews and more cars wheich cost money.As it is thry turn C's ar Euclid, it would make it more of a madhouse turning northbound (Rock Park) and southbound (C) trains. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Jul 24 18:28:04 2011, in response to Re: (PHOTOS) R32 (H) Rockaway pk Shuttle, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jul 24 17:57:58 2011. True, but not too long after that, the R-38s were ordered which were supposed to be a sort of add on to the R-32 order. Unfortunately, that wasn't the case and I think I speak for many railfans that it would have been better if the R-38s had been a true add on to the R-32 order and built by Budd for they may have still been with us instead of sleeping with the fishes. |
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Posted by SUBWAYsurf on Sun Jul 24 18:32:13 2011, in response to Re: (PHOTOS) R32 (H) Rockaway pk Shuttle, posted by randyo on Sun Jul 24 18:28:04 2011. It's kind of sad because I think the R-38s were more aesthetically superior. JMHO |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jul 24 18:37:35 2011, in response to Re: (PHOTOS) R32 (H) Rockaway pk Shuttle, posted by randyo on Sun Jul 24 18:28:04 2011. Can't speak for something that happened so long ago.But. It wasn't a true add on because the competetive bidding process re-occured and St. Louis car won the bid. IDK if Budd bid on the R38 order and/or if St. Louis car bid on the R32 order. However. The specs (by NYCT) for the R38 changed in that they went to carbon steel instead of stainless steel so maybe it wouldn't of mattered anyway. Just a thought. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jul 24 18:39:13 2011, in response to Re: (PHOTOS) R32 (H) Rockaway pk Shuttle, posted by SUBWAYsurf on Sun Jul 24 18:32:13 2011. Yes they were and they were the first car to have a console for the t/o and a non hand cranked windshield wiper. |
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Posted by SUBWAYsurf on Sun Jul 24 18:40:31 2011, in response to Re: (PHOTOS) R32 (H) Rockaway pk Shuttle, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jul 24 18:39:13 2011. Really? I was not aware of the windshield wiper. Interesting |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Jul 24 18:56:57 2011, in response to Re: (PHOTOS) R32 (H) Rockaway pk Shuttle, posted by randyo on Sun Jul 24 18:28:04 2011. Now imagine if not only the R38, but Lindsay kept his prep school nose out of subway car design with the R40, and Ronan didn't decide to clone the M-1 as a subway car with the R44-Lemon. There would have been 1,975 Budd R32's all told, which would have saved us a lot of mechanical headaches, paint, bondo, and duct tape over the decades. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Jul 24 18:57:22 2011, in response to Re: (PHOTOS) R32 (H) Rockaway pk Shuttle, posted by SUBWAYsurf on Sun Jul 24 18:40:31 2011. At one point, in a DYDN article on the subways before the R-38s arrived, that issue was brought out. As for the aesthetics of the cars, certain modifications to the cars' appearance could have been addressed even if the cars were built by Budd rather than St Louis. A case in point is the R-40M vs the R-42. While the fiberglass end bonnets were identical, the fluting on the sides between the two contracts was slightly different. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Jul 24 19:03:24 2011, in response to Re: (PHOTOS) R32 (H) Rockaway pk Shuttle, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jul 24 18:37:35 2011. The R-38s were stainless steel. You may be referring to just the internal framing and that may have been one of the variables that has shown up in many NYCTA contracts. Many contracts often specify a particular item or type of construction qualified by the phrase "or the equivalent" allowing the individual car manufacturer some degree of latitude. Had Budd been the successful bidder, I would imagine that the entire car structure would have been stainless steel with no carbon steel at all. Interestingly, there was also the possibility that the R-38s would have been entirely painted LAHT steel with no stainless steel at all and I have seen an artist's rendering of such a car and it resembled an oversized R-36 with a painted R-38 style end bonnet. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Jul 24 19:06:00 2011, in response to Re: (PHOTOS) R32 (H) Rockaway pk Shuttle, posted by Joe V on Sun Jul 24 18:56:57 2011. Good point, but I don't think a Budd built R-40M or R-42 or even a 44 and 46 would have been so bad since iIMHO, it was the quality of product produced by the manufacturer that made the R-32 the durable product that it turned out to be. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sun Jul 24 19:06:22 2011, in response to (PHOTOS) R32 (H) Rockaway pk Shuttle, posted by R32_3671 on Sat Jul 23 23:22:03 2011. That's incredible!! And it's even signed properly as an "H"!! Thansk for sharing! |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sun Jul 24 19:10:06 2011, in response to Re: (PHOTOS) R32 (H) Rockaway pk Shuttle, posted by 15 BEECHHURST on Sun Jul 24 10:24:16 2011. WEll, if you ask me (did you, lol?) JFK should be accessible by Subway, not the Air Train. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sun Jul 24 19:13:07 2011, in response to Re: (PHOTOS) R32 (H) Rockaway pk Shuttle, posted by SUBWAYsurf on Sun Jul 24 18:32:13 2011. I agree the R38 were better looking. But they don't seem to have been better running... |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jul 24 19:16:31 2011, in response to Re: (PHOTOS) R32 (H) Rockaway pk Shuttle, posted by Joe V on Sun Jul 24 18:56:57 2011. It didn't take long for this discussion to turn into a "how great the R32's are" thread.The only good thing about the R32's from day 1 were their bodies. Too many posters were not around in the pre GOH days or were too young to really know the real facts. The R32's were very poor riding cars from day 1. Their bodies were too light for the trucks they were mounted on and the ride was very bouncy and uncomfortable. Budd suggested they ride on the Pioneer III trucks, which NTCTA wanted no part of. 3946-3949 were equipped with these, but if they TA didn't want something, the evaluation period would always fail. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jul 24 19:19:00 2011, in response to Re: (PHOTOS) R32 (H) Rockaway pk Shuttle, posted by MainR3664 on Sun Jul 24 19:13:07 2011. That was because of poor maintance, especially the lack of it causing too many flat wheel conditions. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jul 24 19:28:10 2011, in response to Re: (PHOTOS) R32 (H) Rockaway pk Shuttle, posted by randyo on Sun Jul 24 19:03:24 2011. My statement was based on the fact that later in life the R38's had more problems of leaking and decay than the R32's did thanks to the acid car wash.That was the death sentence for the R38......and the R40..........and the retired R42's (and the surviving ones are not in good shape). If the R32's were made similiarly, they'd be gone too. I'm sure there are some here who don't realise that the approx. 300 Phase II R32's that were retired was done so that NYCT would not have to do another SMS on them, not at all due to any structural issue/decay caused by water erosion. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Jul 24 19:29:50 2011, in response to Re: (PHOTOS) R32 (H) Rockaway pk Shuttle, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jul 24 19:16:31 2011. What you talking about?No they werent the best RIDING CARS around..but pound for pound,they got the job done..AND they out did the 38's from the begining. The 38's were not only the roughest riding cars.the were the LOUDEST LOUD-est..period..even when compared to the R10's. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jul 24 19:35:09 2011, in response to Re: (PHOTOS) R32 (H) Rockaway pk Shuttle, posted by Edwards! on Sun Jul 24 19:29:50 2011. You must have forgetten that in pre GOH days the car bodies of the R32's would bounce all over the place during braking. The R27/30, on the exact same truck being heavier cars, were smoother braking.I will not back down from my statement that the R32 body was too light for their trucks. You have your conclusion and I have mine. I don't have time to play SubChat tag. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Jul 24 19:54:38 2011, in response to Re: (PHOTOS) R32 (H) Rockaway pk Shuttle, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jul 24 19:35:09 2011. Im not saying you were wrong...They WERE LIGHTER,and did lurch when braking...But jumped like jackrabbits.they were AWESOME..before they were neutering.I didnt forget... |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jul 24 20:07:52 2011, in response to Re: (PHOTOS) R32 (H) Rockaway pk Shuttle, posted by Edwards! on Sun Jul 24 19:54:38 2011. Not necessarily you..............but there are folks who were not around when you and I were. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Jul 24 20:16:35 2011, in response to Re: (PHOTOS) R32 (H) Rockaway pk Shuttle, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jul 24 20:07:52 2011. True indeed..I remember when I was sorry to see one of them pull into a station!Especially when one was loaned to the M line. |
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Posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Sun Jul 24 20:34:59 2011, in response to Re: (PHOTOS) R32 (H) Rockaway pk Shuttle, posted by Edwards! on Sun Jul 24 19:54:38 2011. That's pretty much what I remember, and I rode them beginning in September 1965. They were awesome compared to everything else of the time and the only possible consolation for retirement of the Triplexes, which the oldtimers spoke very highly of. The blue doors, aqua seats, matching linoleum, smooth and stylish hand holds, ribbed top to bottom (which in retrospect prevented scratchitti of the outside that the R160s suffer)....anyhow, to me, they were the last word at the time. Still can't figure out why, with A/C installed, they had to change the ends, this was not done when the A division cars were given A/C. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jul 24 21:07:13 2011, in response to Re: (PHOTOS) R32 (H) Rockaway pk Shuttle, posted by Edwards! on Sun Jul 24 20:16:35 2011. I hated that. Even though it was variety. I was always the kind of guy who liked uniformity and order. It freaked me out when I was a c/r from late '79 till early '81 when I had an R38 on the M. Yes, you would get the occasional R32 but sometimes even R38's. |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun Jul 24 22:47:52 2011, in response to (PHOTOS) R32 (H) Rockaway pk Shuttle, posted by R32_3671 on Sat Jul 23 23:22:03 2011. Looks like we both scored the single best equipment ever in the B Division IMHO!!!Nice shots!! :-) |
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Posted by R32_3671 on Sun Jul 24 23:21:36 2011, in response to Re: (PHOTOS) R32 (H) Rockaway pk Shuttle, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun Jul 24 22:47:52 2011. oh yeah I saw your photos too, Nice shots man |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun Jul 24 23:24:59 2011, in response to Re: (PHOTOS) R32 (H) Rockaway pk Shuttle, posted by R32_3671 on Sun Jul 24 23:21:36 2011. You actually beat me to it for the catch!! You da' man!! And on the Rockaway Park Shuttle nonetheless!! Even in my TA days out there, I never saw nor operated R-32s on the Rockaway Park Shuttle!! That there was a great catch, man!! :-) |
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