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Posted by arnine on Wed Mar 2 23:21:30 2011, in response to ***2010 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by Concourse Express on Wed Mar 2 23:15:28 2011. Interesting.Well, to those who in another thread who said 75th Ave on the E/F should close and is not needed the ridership proves it is needed and has more ridership that other stations. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Mar 3 00:38:19 2011, in response to Re: ***2010 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by arnine on Wed Mar 2 23:21:30 2011. True, you wouldn't think it though. 4 years of passing by that station on my way to/from High School, seemed fairly deserted.Van alst pretty low, unsurprising. Beach 105 being that low, not surprising either since all that's there is a water treatment plant and empty fields (unless that housing development kick actually made it that far). |
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Posted by f179dj on Thu Mar 3 06:55:19 2011, in response to Re: ***2010 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Mar 3 00:38:19 2011. Nah; try 22nd Avenue/Bay Parkway on the "F." My Conductor commented once that when he opened the doors there, the only thing that got on was the wind. |
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Posted by arnine on Thu Mar 3 07:46:11 2011, in response to Re: ***2010 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Mar 3 00:38:19 2011. I agree 75th Ave is usually pretty deserted off peak. It is busy during peak. But, don't judge a book by the cover. Whereas yes Union Turnpike & CTL are close by # wise, it really is a distance. It can be walked but it is a long walk in either direction. Without that stop many will be screwed and would add cars to the roads as many will not do that walk.Vam alst given ridership # and condition of station would be a good one to go tho IMHO. B 105 IIRC is slated for development so I would likely not want to close it. |
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Posted by arnine on Thu Mar 3 07:46:51 2011, in response to Re: ***2010 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by f179dj on Thu Mar 3 06:55:19 2011. Dang I thought you were gonna say a tumbleweed lol |
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Posted by f179dj on Thu Mar 3 08:14:59 2011, in response to Re: ***2010 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by arnine on Thu Mar 3 07:46:51 2011. Not on the structure, lol. |
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Posted by arnine on Thu Mar 3 08:56:04 2011, in response to Re: ***2010 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by f179dj on Thu Mar 3 08:14:59 2011. Good point :) I forgot that station was a structure :( |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Thu Mar 3 09:56:20 2011, in response to Re: ***2010 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by arnine on Thu Mar 3 07:46:11 2011. Also, how that the Queens street numbering system is set up and layout, with all those with "Road", "Drive", "Crescent", "Place", etc. The 75th Avenue station is situated between 75th Avenue and 76th Avenue on Queens Boulevard (as seen on the platform exit square tiles), but then 75th Road comes right over the station between it.-William A. Padron ["<-75th Ave-<"] |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Mar 3 09:58:33 2011, in response to ***2010 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by Concourse Express on Wed Mar 2 23:15:28 2011. Is it possible to distribute this electronically (i.e. Google Documents, excel, etc)? |
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Posted by checkthedoorlight on Thu Mar 3 09:58:43 2011, in response to ***2010 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by Concourse Express on Wed Mar 2 23:15:28 2011. 7% increase at Bedford Ave? Man, and I thought Northside was already full! They must be packing 13 people to a room now. Maybe triple bunkbeds are the new hipster trend? |
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Posted by Concourse Express on Thu Mar 3 10:13:15 2011, in response to Re: ***2010 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Mar 3 09:58:33 2011. The numbers were sent to me as a PDF file; if you want a copy, send me an email. |
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Posted by Concourse Express on Thu Mar 3 10:17:51 2011, in response to Re: ***2010 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by checkthedoorlight on Thu Mar 3 09:58:43 2011. Heh...triple bunkbeds. Can such even *fit* into a room, except they be constructed submarine-style? :)Also, it's not just Bedford Ave; with the exception of 14/6, ridership is up at all (L) line stations. |
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Posted by Concourse Express on Thu Mar 3 10:37:08 2011, in response to Re: ***2010 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by Concourse Express on Thu Mar 3 10:17:51 2011. Addendum: Bedford Ave ridership is up by nearly 10%, not 7%. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 3 10:50:57 2011, in response to ***2010 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by Concourse Express on Wed Mar 2 23:15:28 2011. Nice!! Thanks! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 3 10:57:06 2011, in response to Re: ***2010 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Mar 3 09:58:33 2011. If you highlight the whole chart, then open MS Excel, and paste, it will instantly fit neatly into a spreadsheet. Simple as two seconds! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 3 10:58:22 2011, in response to Re: ***2010 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by Concourse Express on Thu Mar 3 10:17:51 2011. The L line is amazing. Even at Livonia and stations like that. Shows you how the neighborhoods along it went from dead zone to highly increased. Most of the stations border on 10% or above! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 3 10:59:21 2011, in response to Re: ***2010 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by f179dj on Thu Mar 3 06:55:19 2011. Heh, well most of the people on one side of that station never leave their "resting place"!! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 3 11:03:30 2011, in response to Re: ***2010 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by f179dj on Thu Mar 3 06:55:19 2011. I used to use the LIRR QUeens Montauk Branch a lot when it still ran, and I would get off at either Glendale, Fresh Pond, or LIC. We got to know the conductor pretty good, who was usually the same guy on that train. The stations operated a little bit like flag stops, at Jamaica, he would ask what station you were getting off at, and in many cases, many of the stations would just be a slowdown like rolling through a stop sign if no one was getting off, and no one was there waiting to get on. Near the end, the conductor would see us and ask us after Jamaica, "So, Are you guys getting off at The Cemeteries, In the Pile of Weeds, or staying with us to The End today"....LOL, and translated, that meant are you getting off at Glendale (The Cemeteries), Fresh Pond (In the Pile of Weeds), or staying on to LIC (The End) with us today..... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 3 11:06:16 2011, in response to Re: ***2010 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by Concourse Express on Thu Mar 3 10:37:08 2011. Forget Bedford, look at Morgan Ave (Up 20%), Montrose Ave (Up 13%) and Graham up 11% |
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Posted by arnine on Thu Mar 3 11:25:39 2011, in response to Re: ***2010 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by William A. Padron on Thu Mar 3 09:56:20 2011. Exactly. Many people do not realize that a # may have different endings. Very easy to say ah close that station, but you have to realize that it is not as close as it looks. Thankfully the ridership #'s support my stipulation. |
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Posted by arnine on Thu Mar 3 11:28:35 2011, in response to Re: ***2010 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 3 10:59:21 2011. Are you sure about that? lol |
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Posted by Concourse Express on Thu Mar 3 11:40:44 2011, in response to Re: ***2010 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 3 10:58:22 2011. In addition to the (L), look at the (J) line west of Crescent St, and several other outer-borough branches. All UP from last year! |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 3 11:58:33 2011, in response to ***2010 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by Concourse Express on Wed Mar 2 23:15:28 2011. The Canarsie line is fast reaching a tipping point. 10 car trains have to be considered. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 3 12:05:55 2011, in response to Re: ***2010 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 3 10:58:22 2011. I'm trying to figure out why J stations in Queens shed riders, while those in Brooklyn gained them. My guess is more hipsters. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 3 12:09:17 2011, in response to Re: ***2010 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 3 11:03:30 2011. Wow, they never even bothered to ask you about Haberman or Penny Bridge. |
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Posted by Concourse Express on Thu Mar 3 12:10:36 2011, in response to Re: ***2010 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 3 12:05:55 2011. Perhaps; the new (M) route may also be a factor. |
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Posted by arnine on Thu Mar 3 12:13:52 2011, in response to Re: ***2010 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 3 11:58:33 2011. Can the plats handle 10? been awhile since I rode the line |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Thu Mar 3 12:15:31 2011, in response to Re: ***2010 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by arnine on Thu Mar 3 12:13:52 2011. I think all the Eastern Division stations can actually handle nine cars. |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Thu Mar 3 12:15:50 2011, in response to Re: ***2010 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by LRG5784 on Thu Mar 3 12:15:31 2011. Add-on: with the exception of Metropolitan Avenue on the (M) |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 3 12:17:36 2011, in response to Re: ***2010 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by arnine on Thu Mar 3 12:13:52 2011. No, they will have to be expanded. The time to get this done is now. When the R179's are here, they could install CBTC in the Alstom 5 car R160's from either CI or Jamaica and the R143's can be sent to Pitkin to replace the R32's on the C. |
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Posted by arnine on Thu Mar 3 12:18:27 2011, in response to Re: ***2010 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by LRG5784 on Thu Mar 3 12:15:31 2011. Ok cool, but the L cannot be 10 cars then, but then they can have a 4 car and 5 car set and then the L can have 1 more car per train. :) |
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Posted by arnine on Thu Mar 3 12:19:25 2011, in response to Re: ***2010 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 3 12:17:36 2011. Well, doubt they will do that as they have no $$. As LRG said they can have 9 cars so a 5 car and 4 car set can work. 1 car extra better than none. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 3 12:21:51 2011, in response to Re: ***2010 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by LRG5784 on Thu Mar 3 12:15:50 2011. None of the Fulton St. stations can handle them, after their rebuild they were shortened to less than 500'. Many of them are also shorter than the 536' length of an 8 car A/B type, but operated these trains anyway due to the way the doors were aligned on these cars, far from the end of each car. They could overhang. L train stations would need at least 60' of additional platform length. I only forsee problems at E105th and Rockaway Park. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 3 12:23:55 2011, in response to Re: ***2010 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by arnine on Thu Mar 3 12:19:25 2011. Either option will cost $$$. Given the way Canarsie ridership is exploding, you might as well go all the way. Using 9 car trains will be a PITA with regards to flexibility, because you would need both a 5 and 4 car set for each consist. |
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Posted by arnine on Thu Mar 3 12:29:49 2011, in response to Re: ***2010 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 3 12:23:55 2011. Yes but that is the cheapest of the two. Don't get me wrong, I'd like 2 c them extend all plats to 10 cars incl. Met Ave., but they won't. |
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Posted by Charles G on Thu Mar 3 13:04:26 2011, in response to Re: ***2010 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 3 12:23:55 2011. Wouldn't shortening the headways to add 1 TPH pretty much accomplish the same thing? |
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Posted by f179dj on Thu Mar 3 13:23:20 2011, in response to Re: ***2010 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 3 10:59:21 2011. Yeah, the two of us worked the graveyard shift (4P-1A). And it's both sides of that station where the community won't say "boo" if a train comes along overhead. Looked down there often enough. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 3 14:43:54 2011, in response to Re: ***2010 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 3 12:09:17 2011. Heh, no, he knew us by that point and knew it was one of those three. Other people he would just walk through and say, "Which station are you getting off at", and would announce them (no PA in the old diesels) by screaming out all their names by the real name. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 3 14:46:09 2011, in response to Re: ***2010 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by LRG5784 on Thu Mar 3 12:15:31 2011. They could handle 9 (are at least almost 9) except for a few stations like Metropolitan Ave (Which was shortened from it's BMT days). |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 3 14:47:07 2011, in response to Re: ***2010 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by Concourse Express on Thu Mar 3 11:40:44 2011. Yeah, the J west of there is in the same situation as the Canarsie line, Gentrification in full swing. Not quite as ahead as the L line is, but it's coming along too. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 3 14:50:01 2011, in response to Re: ***2010 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 3 12:05:55 2011. Yes, the line along Broadway is gentrifying. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 3 14:52:02 2011, in response to Re: ***2010 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by Concourse Express on Thu Mar 3 12:10:36 2011. We won't really know about that until the 2011 stats are out. For the first half of the year, the M still ran the old way. Then July and August school's out, people off from work, vacations, etc. So the "new M" only really had it's play from September to December (December being another month with unfull ridership. So we only have "real full use stats" of the New M from Sept, Oct, and November.We shall see next year. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Mar 3 15:49:31 2011, in response to Re: ***2010 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 3 10:57:06 2011. Thanks to you both! |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Fri Mar 4 10:35:14 2011, in response to Re: ***2010 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 3 12:21:51 2011. Why would the (L) train ever run to Rockaway Park? ;-) |
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Posted by Joe on Fri Mar 4 21:11:56 2011, in response to ***2010 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by Concourse Express on Wed Mar 2 23:15:28 2011. Does this count only the passengers entering the station through the fare control, or is it a total of entering and exiting?Thanks! |
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Posted by Concourse Express on Fri Mar 4 21:25:07 2011, in response to Re: ***2010 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by Joe on Fri Mar 4 21:11:56 2011. AFAIK, only entries.Methinks exit ridership would be far more difficult to count since many pax exit through the "emergency exit" gates, as well as the iron maiden/HEETs; that said, if such could be counted, it'd give more insight into a station's true utilization. |
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Posted by gOlD_12tH on Fri Mar 4 21:54:16 2011, in response to ***2010 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by Concourse Express on Wed Mar 2 23:15:28 2011. Im sure +801.30% will be surpass, maybe in 2012 stats. |
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Posted by Concourse Express on Fri Mar 4 21:57:37 2011, in response to Re: ***2010 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by gOlD_12tH on Fri Mar 4 21:54:16 2011. Im sure +801.30% will be surpassIt definitely will - I know of one station that will one day have a percent change of +∞! |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Mar 5 01:01:39 2011, in response to ***2010 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by Concourse Express on Wed Mar 2 23:15:28 2011. Thanks for posting this!I still think 105th on the Rockaways should be closed at least late nights. 66,000, that's it? |
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