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Re: Photos: R30s being overhauled at 207th St |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 15 18:48:11 2010, in response to Photos: R30's being overhauled at 207th St, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 15 18:45:30 2010. Yes, that was waistful. |
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Posted by Railking on Wed Dec 15 20:47:42 2010, in response to Photos: R30's being overhauled at 207th St, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 15 18:45:30 2010. Awesome photos! I never seen photos of the R30's being overhauled ever only video in transit training class. Great stuff man! |
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Posted by insidetransitcom on Wed Dec 15 23:13:11 2010, in response to Photos: R30's being overhauled at 207th St, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 15 18:45:30 2010. awesome photos - for some reason the redbirds really only belong on the irt - they look ugly on the J... not sure why. |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Dec 16 00:01:21 2010, in response to Re: Photos: R30's being overhauled at 207th St, posted by insidetransitcom on Wed Dec 15 23:13:11 2010. They look wonderful on the J.Although they did look better on the C L, and M. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 16 00:19:55 2010, in response to Re: Photos: R30's being overhauled at 207th St, posted by R30A on Thu Dec 16 00:01:21 2010. IAWTP |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Dec 16 00:22:17 2010, in response to Re: Photos: R30's being overhauled at 207th St, posted by insidetransitcom on Wed Dec 15 23:13:11 2010. for some reason the redbirds really only belong on the irtNo, not really. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Dec 16 02:54:27 2010, in response to Re: Photos: R30's being overhauled at 207th St, posted by insidetransitcom on Wed Dec 15 23:13:11 2010. I personally prefer the green paint scheme the overhauled R10's got.
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Posted by William A. Padron on Thu Dec 16 08:08:36 2010, in response to Re: Photos: R30's being overhauled at 207th St, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Dec 16 02:54:27 2010. Great shot indeed! BTW, I had known the photographer who takes photos like that one since the 1980's.-William A. Padron ["Beach 90 St-Holland"] |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Dec 16 08:16:56 2010, in response to Re: Photos: R30's being overhauled at 207th St, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Dec 16 02:54:27 2010. The racing stripe scheme was the best. |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Thu Dec 16 09:19:33 2010, in response to Photos: R30's being overhauled at 207th St, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 15 18:45:30 2010. Yeah it's sad they retired them so early. IMO they could have lasted until the R143s came in. |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Thu Dec 16 09:26:31 2010, in response to Photos: R30's being overhauled at 207th St, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 15 18:45:30 2010. Great stuff, Chris!!! :-)Man what them trains used to look like!!!! Gotta give the TA all the respect in the world for turning it around!! And I always thought the R-30s were awesome once they became Redbirds (B Division Redbirds, that is!!) :-) |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Dec 16 09:37:35 2010, in response to Re: Photos: R30's being overhauled at 207th St, posted by LRG5784 on Thu Dec 16 09:19:33 2010. They got more the equivalent of an SMS rather than a full overhaul. The time they got out of the cars was sufficient. They were heavy cars and a/c would have made them heavier. NYCT had a business plan to have a 100% a/c fleet, they did not want to wait till the R143's came in! Plus, weren't they gone when the R68A came in anyway? I can't remember the time line, sorry.The cars done in house: before the R10 upgrade the shop forces were not trained in giving cars a real good overhaul. The R10 and R30 upgrade gave them experience on how to do a more thorough job on the 110 R42's (very debatable on how they turned out because they needed much more work than budgeted) and half the R44's. |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Thu Dec 16 10:25:38 2010, in response to Re: Photos: R30's being overhauled at 207th St, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Dec 16 09:37:35 2010. I believe it were the R16s that left when the R68As came in; the last of the R16s retired in 1987. |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Thu Dec 16 10:26:32 2010, in response to Re: Photos: R30's being overhauled at 207th St, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Dec 16 09:37:35 2010. Billy that is Coney Island right? I still remember every nook and cranny at 207 and those don't look like the overhaul tracks. The Green R10s however were done at 207 |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Thu Dec 16 10:32:40 2010, in response to Re: Photos: R30's being overhauled at 207th St, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Thu Dec 16 09:26:31 2010. The GEs were FUN to operate in the Rockaways. Summers with the end doors hooked open, motors that made noise and fans whirling away are not the same. It sucks they got rid of the GOHs to budget cuts than to real retirement |
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Posted by Railking on Thu Dec 16 11:51:43 2010, in response to Re: Photos: R30's being overhauled at 207th St, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Thu Dec 16 09:26:31 2010. Hell yea! Hey Paul remember riding them in that fashion when we went 2 High School? I miss them cars! |
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Posted by WayneJay on Thu Dec 16 11:59:45 2010, in response to Photos: R30's being overhauled at 207th St, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 15 18:45:30 2010. They needed it too. They looked great afterward. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Dec 16 12:09:42 2010, in response to Re: Photos: R30's being overhauled at 207th St, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Dec 16 09:37:35 2010. Had they remained, there would not have been such a car crunch in the late 1990's. Perhaps 63rd St opens sooner. They did not need A/C and could have been limited in service during the height of the summer. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Dec 16 12:12:29 2010, in response to Re: Photos: R30's being overhauled at 207th St, posted by LRG5784 on Thu Dec 16 10:25:38 2010. The R68's replaced the R16 and most R27's. The R68A's replaced the R10's. Ironically, nothing replaced the R30's, they were expendable when the GOH program was complete, all cars had returned to service and the re-shuffling of services in late 1992 reduced the need for cars on some lines, most notably the C. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Dec 16 12:14:36 2010, in response to Re: Photos: R30's being overhauled at 207th St, posted by Railking on Thu Dec 16 11:51:43 2010. On many days I remember riding them like that INSTEAD of going to high school. |
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Posted by WayneJay on Thu Dec 16 12:17:09 2010, in response to Re: Photos: R30's being overhauled at 207th St, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Dec 16 02:54:27 2010. I liked the green too, but I preferred it on the few R-33s that rec'd it. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Dec 16 12:17:47 2010, in response to Re: Photos: R30's being overhauled at 207th St, posted by William A. Padron on Thu Dec 16 08:08:36 2010. That was an Eric Oszustowicz (O-what??) special. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Dec 16 12:20:24 2010, in response to Re: Photos: R30's being overhauled at 207th St, posted by BLE-NIMX on Thu Dec 16 10:26:32 2010. They are marked as 207th on nycsubway.org, and even though I've only been there once, it looks and feels to me like 207th. I thought the overhaul was done at Coney Island as well. Someone more familiar with how the shops looked back in 1985-86 should be able to tell definitively. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Dec 16 12:25:44 2010, in response to Re: Photos: R30's being overhauled at 207th St, posted by WayneJay on Thu Dec 16 12:17:09 2010. I still think the green should have been used universally on the B division overhauls. The R30's did stick out wherever they ran due to the fact that they looked so much like the IRT cars. |
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Posted by Thunderbolt on Thu Dec 16 12:27:53 2010, in response to Photos: R30's being overhauled at 207th St, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 15 18:45:30 2010. Cool pics. I wish I was around to see them still rolling--though they did look great in Die Hard with a Vengeance :D |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Dec 16 12:38:20 2010, in response to Re: Photos: R30's being overhauled at 207th St, posted by Thunderbolt on Thu Dec 16 12:27:53 2010. Real nice pix. Man they were in rough shape before the overhaul. Makes me wish they could have attached the estate of the guy who invented spray paint to help pay for its removal. They looked really snappy in that redbird getup.BTW, did'nt some of the IRT equiptment get rebuilt with the green paint?? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Dec 16 12:41:40 2010, in response to Re: Photos: R30's being overhauled at 207th St, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Dec 16 12:38:20 2010. I thought that some of the newer cars suffered more during this era than the R30's. The R42's especially, which were an absolute mess by 1986. A dark R27/30 was almost unheard of. They usually were well lit and the fans worked during the summer and the heat worked in the winter. Many suffered from flat wheels (especially the cars on the 6th Ave shuttle....yikes) and so were noisy. Usually a J rider was relieved to see one of these things approaching their station, instead of an R16. It tripled your chances of getting to your destination without suffering a breakdown. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Dec 16 13:37:03 2010, in response to Re: Photos: R30's being overhauled at 207th St, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Dec 16 12:09:42 2010. Adding A/C would have increased their weight to BMT standard proportions. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Dec 16 14:14:32 2010, in response to Re: Photos: R30's being overhauled at 207th St, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Dec 16 13:37:03 2010. But the weight distrubution would be more concentrated on the R-30 than the standards since the standards were 67 footers as opposed to the 60 ft length of the '30's.I suspect that might have been a bit too stressful on the older elevated structures, as in from B'way Junction to Elderts Lane on the J for example. |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Dec 16 14:53:56 2010, in response to Re: Photos: R30's being overhauled at 207th St, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Dec 16 14:14:32 2010. Adding A/C would have increased their weight to R160 proportions.:) |
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Posted by WayneJay on Thu Dec 16 14:58:56 2010, in response to Re: Photos: R30's being overhauled at 207th St, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Dec 16 12:38:20 2010. BTW, did'nt some of the IRT equiptment get rebuilt with the green paint??Yes, a few R33s assigned to Jerome got the green treatment. I don't know how many cars, but I think it was just one ten-car train. In those days I was enjoying riding the #4 line as it had the green R33s and at least 2 trains of R36 (I think Flushing and ML) and of course those awesome brand new R-62s. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Dec 16 15:19:21 2010, in response to Re: Photos: R30's being overhauled at 207th St, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Dec 16 14:14:32 2010. Currently the R160's weigh more than the R42's. I wonder what the weight of an A/C equipped R30 would have been in comparison to modern cars. |
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Posted by Railking on Thu Dec 16 15:21:45 2010, in response to Re: Photos: R30's being overhauled at 207th St, posted by WayneJay on Thu Dec 16 14:58:56 2010. It was actually more than that. They had about hundred or so painted green as well as 1 lone R22 and they were in service on the (5) line as well. I was a little thing but I also remember when they started mixing them with fresh redbirds that started 2 appear on the (2) line. I'll never 4get being in the street and seeing a red green and white train pull into Gun Hill Rd in 1988. I wish I had a camera back then but all have r memeories those is just as good. It was a site 2 see. |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Dec 16 15:26:36 2010, in response to Re: Photos: R30's being overhauled at 207th St, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Dec 16 15:19:21 2010. R26 pre overhaul:74.5K lbsR26 post overhaul:78K lbs R30 pre overhaul: 80K lbs Based on above differences, I would expect an Air Conditioned overhauled R30 would weigh about 84K lbs. R160: 85K lbs |
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Posted by Railking on Thu Dec 16 15:39:05 2010, in response to Re: Photos: R30's being overhauled at 207th St, posted by R30A on Thu Dec 16 15:26:36 2010. Yea but they would have 2 had put 2 Air Condition units under the train simliar to the R32's where the R26 thru 36's had 1 unit similar to that used on the R62's. It would've made the R30 way overweight since the car was up there in poundage already. I know the R68's r overweight if u ask me but I think TA didn't want 2 waste the time and money on car that was doomed 2 junked in 3 or so years. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu Dec 16 15:45:55 2010, in response to Re: Photos: R30's being overhauled at 207th St, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Dec 16 12:12:29 2010. Yep. In effect, the R-30s were replaced by the R-143s, almost 10 years later. |
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Posted by Railking on Thu Dec 16 16:12:44 2010, in response to Re: Photos: R30's being overhauled at 207th St, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Dec 16 12:12:29 2010. But I thought the R143's replaced the R42's that were in service on the (L). And didn't they used some of the R30's back then on (H)? I mean I could b wrong. What they had like 200 or so R30's that were saved for supplemental service on both the (C) and (H) lines while R32's where still coming back from MK. |
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Posted by ENY Blitz 5107 on Thu Dec 16 17:48:35 2010, in response to Photos: R30's being overhauled at 207th St, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 15 18:45:30 2010. Greetings Everyone!!! Those Shop photos are great and are some of the only ones i have ever seen of the R30s being overhauled.That does look like the "Main Shop" in Coney Island though,look at the row of R30s with a unrebuilt R46 peeking out.To my knowledge,no R30s were overhauled at 207th Street,as all "Rebulder's Plates" inside the R30s all said "Overhauled By Coney Island Overhaul Shops" with a 1987 or 1988 date on them.I miss the R30s and i too would have liked to have seen them stick around for a bit longer than they did.The R44s fate was very similar to the R30s-more a case of not beeing needed any longer rather than just being worn out.I see a pair of R30s every day as i pass the Coney Island Shops,however these are a pair of "Unrebuilt" Westinghouse R30s now in use as Classrooms in CI Yard.I do miss them,as well as the older "LAHT" Cars which are also now gone.Somehow,the R160s just are not all that interesting.Time marches on i guess. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Dec 16 19:42:01 2010, in response to Re: Photos: R30's being overhauled at 207th St, posted by Railking on Thu Dec 16 15:39:05 2010. There was no need to use an AC equipped R30 on the lighter built eastern division BMT lines. They could have sent them to Pitkin for use on the C, which, by late 1982 would have kept them underground.Even if giving them this more significant overhaul was not sound, simply retiring them and replacing them with nothing was stupid. They should have thought about a supplemental R68 order. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Dec 16 19:44:51 2010, in response to Re: Photos: R30's being overhauled at 207th St, posted by Railking on Thu Dec 16 15:21:45 2010. 100? That sounds excessive. AFAIK there were only 10 R33's painted green in 1986, along with one single R22 and one single R17. I never saw the latter, but I rode the green R33's many times on the West Side IRT in 1987. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Dec 16 19:48:52 2010, in response to Re: Photos: R30's being overhauled at 207th St, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu Dec 16 15:45:55 2010. But for 8 years, the system barely had enough cars to maintain service. Yeah, this became less of a problem as MDBF's rose ... |
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Posted by El-Train on Thu Dec 16 20:03:58 2010, in response to Re: Photos: R30's being overhauled at 207th St, posted by ENY Blitz 5107 on Thu Dec 16 17:48:35 2010. I thought the R-44's were retired early because of structural problems. What was it about the "blue stripe" area that made them so structurally fragile? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Dec 16 20:14:25 2010, in response to Re: Photos: R30's being overhauled at 207th St, posted by El-Train on Thu Dec 16 20:03:58 2010. Unlike the R46, their structure was not made totally from stainless steel. In fact, only the shells of the R38, R40 and R42's were stainless steel. Frame rot did in all these fleets, while the R32's, wisely made entirely of stainless steel, are still plodding along. |
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More R27/R30 Photos from the 80's. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Dec 17 12:31:42 2010, in response to Photos: R30's being overhauled at 207th St, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 15 18:45:30 2010. Canarsie yard: For the first time ever, I am impressed with graffiti:  ENY Yard:  These are labelled as being at Coney Island, so perhaps all these shop pics are there, instead of 207th:    Take a clean break from the IND?  Depressing filth we just accepted as normal back then:  I don't remember any redbird R30's retaining their original salmon colored seats, so this might be a fluke or an incomplete job:  |
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Re: More R27/R30 Photos from the 80's. |
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Posted by Railking on Fri Dec 17 13:49:57 2010, in response to More R27/R30 Photos from the 80's., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Dec 17 12:31:42 2010. Bangin' photos man! Keep them coming! |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Dec 17 14:02:55 2010, in response to Re: More R27/R30 Photos from the 80's., posted by Railking on Fri Dec 17 13:49:57 2010. I'm just the middle man, they are coming from here. |
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Posted by Railking on Fri Dec 17 14:09:05 2010, in response to Re: Photos: R30's being overhauled at 207th St, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Dec 16 19:44:51 2010. Chris they had a lot of them and they were assigned 2 the (5) line. They even had the stainless steel framing around the windows. Some of that treatment was done when the cars were white. I remember going 2 the Bronx Zoo back then with a class and we rode the (5) 2 West Farms Square and we got a green hornet...lol. Then as we're going down the line u see more of them. I thought this would b the color 4 them cuz the on the (2) they would b getting in the Redbirds fresh from MK. That's when TA started assigning the cars 2 the lines n' stuff. Notice how the the green cars had the black tape under the numbers when they were done? Those were assigned 2 East 180th St. So they did have a ton of them done up like that. The 91xx when from white 2 red and u can tell by the pardon my french, shitty paint work that was done on the roofs and car bodies. I was a little thing but I remember when the IRT was coming back together during that "clean car" program. It was an interesting time. |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Fri Dec 17 16:11:14 2010, in response to Re: Photos: R30's being overhauled at 207th St, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Dec 16 19:44:51 2010. Twelve R-33's were painted green along with an R-17 and an R-21.The R-33's were 8842-3,8846-7,8848-9,8856-7, 8860-1 and 8862-3 The R-17 was 6677 and the R-21 was 7075. In 2004 one more R-33 9068 was also painted green as part of "the train of many colors." Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Dec 17 16:13:25 2010, in response to Re: Photos: R30's being overhauled at 207th St, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Fri Dec 17 16:11:14 2010. Thanks. That sounds about right, I never saw more than one green "redbird" train at any given time.Still prefer the green to the red. |
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